Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[Phokus]

I find it interesting that it's assumed that the man was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music. It's also automatically assumed that these teens were rude to him, and threatened him, because after all, they are black youth probably getting ready to go "polar bear hunting"

Well, he's white, of course that means he's civilized according to the ATOT racists here.

 

[Jodell88]

I find it interesting that it's assumed that the man was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music. It's also automatically assumed that these teens were rude to him, and threatened him, because after all, they are black youth probably getting ready to go "polar bear hunting"

He could've been like the guy in Delaware that got a whupping from some teenagers after he attacked one of them.

 

[spidey07]

By his account it looks like a good shoot. Verbal threats plus thinking he saw weapon means ok to shoot.

 

[BD231]

Do white people just not know how to get away with murder anymore?

 

[Capt Caveman]

I find it interesting that it's assumed that the man was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music. It's also automatically assumed that these teens were rude to him, and threatened him, because after all, they are black youth probably getting ready to go "polar bear hunting"

He was coming back from his son's wedding. He more than likely was intoxicated. And who knows, maybe he's an angry drunk.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Sadly nothing will happen, because the victim was black and killer is white. Just like the Travon case.

 

[Pulsar]

How do you know what would have happened, or even what they actually did say? If this guy just snapped because they were playing loud music, or for any other reason, how can you say for sure what he would have done? You can't.

You can't just go around killing anyone who says the wrong thing to you. Let's face it, they aren't the first teenagers to play loud music at a gas station and they certainly won't be the last. Is it annoying? Probably, but that doesn't mean we should execute anyone who does.

With regards to you first comment, I can't say what would have happened exactly. I can only suggest what I think probably would have happened. It's a rare person who meets politeness with hostility.

However, if you want to remove speculation from this discussion, then I suggest you request it locked. The only thing we have is a sketchy report to go on, and the obvious response of the defendant's lawyer. It's all speculation at this point.

Your second point is a strawman. No one here is suggesting that you can go around shooting people because they play loud music, other than the people who are agitating and trying to make this a racist issue.

If this were a group of 4 white kids in the car, we would likely be having a very different discusison. That's unfortunate.

 

[They Live]

Sadly nothing will happen, because he was black. Just like the Travon case.

Hasn't the shooter in this case been arrested and charged already?

 

[Pulsar]

He was coming back from his son's wedding. He more than likely was intoxicated. And who knows, maybe he's an angry drunk.

Talk about making wild guesses and speculation. Could you perhaps point to a single shred of evidence that supports that wild theory?

 

[Pulsar]

I find it interesting that it's assumed that the man was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music. It's also automatically assumed that these teens were rude to him, and threatened him, because after all, they are black youth probably getting ready to go "polar bear hunting"

Who is assuming he was cordial? Cite?

 

[JulesMaximus]

That white guy looks like an angry asshole.

 

[3chordcharlie]

By his account it looks like a good shoot. Verbal threats plus thinking he saw weapon means ok to shoot.

By the shooter's account, it's always a good shoot.

 

[Phokus]

By his account it looks like a good shoot. The dead kid was black.

Fixed by what you really mean.


No, that's not what he said, and I haven't seen him make any racist statements in this thread. -Admin DrPizza

 

[spidey07]

Need to change title to - "Man defends self after his life was threatened numerous times verbally and by what appeared to be a weapon"

You can't go around verbally threatening people's lives, lawfully they can shoot you if you do.

 

[Phokus]

Talk about making wild guesses and speculation. Could you perhaps point to a single shred of evidence that supports that wild theory?

The only one speculating is you:

Actually, he's exactly right.

If the people in the SUV had said "Oh, sorry, didn't mean to bother you" and turned it down, this wouldn't have happened.

If the people in the SUV had said "No, call the cops if you don't like it" this wouldn't have happened.

It's not about "had it coming". It's about conflict resolution versus escalation.

Instead, I have absolutely NO doubt that they said what was stated. It's pretty much common fare for teens / young adults in many areas to react like that with profanity and aggression. Zero respect, and very large egos. Sort of like people on internet message boards.

You're assuming he didn't just go up to the SUV and started calling them the N word

You're assuming he didn't threaten them with his weapon

You're insinuating that he just walked up to their SUV and politely asked them to turn down their music.

We get it, he's white and therefore you think he's automatically civilized while the black kids were automatically 'thugs'.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You can't go around verbally threatening people's lives, lawfully they can shoot you if you do.

YMMV

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I find it interesting that it's assumed that the man was cordial to the teens when asking them to turn down the music. It's also automatically assumed that these teens were rude to him, and threatened him, because after all, they are black youth probably getting ready to go "polar bear hunting"

Sure, sure... In teenage fantasy and crumponite crew world, telling them to turn the fucking music down grow up and get a job means it's ok to point a shotgun at the guy and threaten to take his life.

 

[Pulsar]

She went on to say what her client told her he heard the teens say.

"Uh, 'Kill that mother (expletive),' 'That mother (expletive) is dead,' 'You dead (expletive),'" Lemonidis said of what Dunn heard from the teens. "And he sees that much of a shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV, which is up higher than his Jetta, and all he sees are heavily tinted front windows that are up and the back windows that are down, and the car has at least four black men in it, and he doesn't know how old anyone is, and he doesn't know anything, but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade."

If anyone can corroborate those statements he may have a decent chance at beating it.

I doubt you'll get corroboration. That's her parroting what dun said. That doesn't make it wrong - it just makes it his word against 4 kids.

IF video shows the kids actually start opening their door, that might be something. If it shows him ducking away as if they brandished a gun, that might be something. But..... if it just shows him drawing and shooting, this man is going to prison.

 

[spidey07]

YMMV

True, depends on the state...but in 24 or 26 states verbally threatening somebody's life is justifiable to shoot them.

 

[Phokus]

Sure, sure... In teenage fantasy and crumponite crew world, telling them to turn the fucking music down grow up and get a job means it's ok to point a shotgun at the guy and threaten to take his life.

Who's speculating again, racist?

 

[QueBert]

Like most normal people, I reserve my judgement until more evidence is revealed. Just because the kid is black, dresses like a thug, listens to thug music, rolls up in a SUV with thug friends doesn't mean he is a thug. Also, just because no gun was found in the SUV means there never was a weapon in the car.

Some of you would make the worst detectives in the world.

We don't know if he looked like a thug, for music he could have been blasting Kanye West or one of the other hundreds of rappers who never raps about anything "hardcore" As far as I know they never left the SUV, so unless they know some David Copperfield type magic there couldn't have been a gun. I'm willing to bet money on Paypal there wasn't anything in the car anyone could have mistook as a gun. The white dude hates rap music, told them to turn it down in a highly unfriendly way to which they said back "fuck you cracka!" and he showed them. Being someone who listens to rap music very loud and having been told to turn it down. It's almost never in a polite way, typically it's in a very over the top harsh way.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Who's speculating again, racist?

Ugh... I'm not saying that's what happened, it was in response to someone saying everyone is assuming the guy was civilized.


Civilized or not, it gives them no right to threaten to take the guy's life. And if that is what they did, then he has every right to defend himself.

 

[Phokus]

Obama being re-elected must've hit Spidey hard. He's probably jerking off at the prospect of a white guy murdering a black kid, hoping he gets off.

I was going to say that you need to knock this crap off in this thread, but the last infraction resulted in an auto-vacation. So, I guess you don't have much of a choice. -Admin DrPizza

 

[spidey07]

So, are all you racists going to chastise the black lady that shot a white guy at a gas station in Texas? Or will you somehow say...oh, but that's different.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Who's speculating again, racist?

FYI vacations were given out in the other thread for this crap. Calling someone racist is a serious accusation, and no one in this thread is being racist.