Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[JohnOfSheffield]

If he had called it would have looked better than him fleeing the scene in terms of showing his innocence. However, I don't believe that there is a law that forces him to call police after either. Blind firing 8 to 9 rounds into a car is indicative of someone scared and shooting under fear/duress. Especially since only 2 rounds hit. Considering he was parked in the pump right next to the kids, that is close enough to make sure you would hit someone if you fired with the calm intention of hitting your target.

From the loose circumstantial evidence presented by the media thus far, I can see very easily how this could be a self defense case even if the guy was bit stupid in leaving the scene. He asks the kids to turn down their music, kids get hostile, a heated discussion occurs, the kids pretend to be packing heat and threaten him to make the guy run away. Instead their decision to scare him off back fires and instead of the guy running he pulls out his gun and shoots. In the moment of fight or flight instincts the guy decides to fight first then flight after. Perfectly reasonable psychological response.

However, it could be the kids just pissed the guy off enough with provocation and he went mental and shot the kids for their remarks. In which case he's guilty of manslaughter at a minimum and should rot in jail for his actions.

You don't have to report it to the authorities if you shoot someone in the US? To me it looks like he was trying to get away but got caught by the camera. He left the scene and didn't report it to the police, had there not been a camera they would probably never find him.

How about a hit and run in a dangerous area, is it ok to just keep driving and not reporting it or would that be a crime?

Since there is a camera it should be fairly easy to determine if the victim had a gun barrel out the window of the car, since he's charged with murder/attempted murder i doubt it is visible on the video.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Ok, so if I'm to follow your logic, they were vicious thugs with a gun which they pulled on a dude. The dude then pulls a gun and manages to get off 8 or 9 shots without these vicious thugs firing back once?

explain this please...

I know it's your MO, but don't try to twist my words.


I said that based on his story they were acting like little hoodlum thugs. I find it more likely that they were trying to intimidate the guy and it backfired than that he just randomly walked up to an SUV and started trying to murder everyone.

But hey, I put logic before emotions... Which is why I am usually right in these situations. I don't understand why that pisses you off so much... Were you bullied by white businessmen as a child?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Playing loud obnoxious music at the gas station, with hoodie in deep cover, and pointing a gun or gun-like object out of the window to intimidate is thug behaviour.

He left the scene and went straight home. The SUV was full of little thugs who purportedly had guns. The last thing he should do is stay there and have a shoot out.

Based on what we know he eliminated the threat to his life, then left the scene before it could escalate.

LOL. Why didn't he call the police when he got home? The only thug is the murderer. But of course, you'll believe the white guy's story.

And if he got that many shots off and these supposed thugs had a gun(s), why didn't they shoot back?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

LOL. Why didn't he call the police when he got home? The only thug is the murderer. But of course, you'll believe the white guy's story.

And if he got that many shots off and these supposed thugs had a gun(s), why didn't they shoot back?

Maybe he didn't know he hit anyone? Maybe he was running to his car while shooting, and thankfully left before it escalated.

If I had to guess, I would say that most likely one of the kids had one of those realistic BB guns. They pointed it at the guy and he started shooting. They tossed the BB gun before the cops showed up.

There's no law (in my state, anyway) that requires someone to call the police in that situation.

 

[bigrash]

Damn I'm running out of popcorn.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You don't have to report it to the authorities if you shoot someone in the US? To me it looks like he was trying to get away but got caught by the camera. He left the scene and didn't report it to the police, had there not been a camera they would probably never find him.

How about a hit and run in a dangerous area, is it ok to just keep driving and not reporting it or would that be a crime?

Since there is a camera it should be fairly easy to determine if the victim had a gun barrel out the window of the car, since he's charged with murder/attempted murder i doubt it is visible on the video.

Here's some good advice for you, if you plan on visiting our beautiful country..

We have excellent self defense laws. You should not act like a thug and intimidate someone or you might get shot. You should not in any way threaten another person's life, or you might get shot.

It really is a very simple concept... I'm not sure why it seems to be so difficult to grasp.

 

[Robsasman]

The camera footage should also show if they had a gun out the window but so far the only one claiming that is Dunn.

This. The cops obviously already saw the camera footage to identify him. If they saw a gun out the window of the suv he wouldn't have been charged.

 

[etrigan420]

This thread needs more Spidey.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

This. The cops obviously already saw the camera footage to identify him. If they saw a gun out the window of the suv he wouldn't have been charged.

There is no statement anywhere that says no gun was seen on video. Actually, based on the news articles, it sounds like there wasn't video or it hasn't been recovered yet.

 

[Robsasman]

There is no statement anywhere that says no gun was seen on video. Actually, based on the news articles, it sounds like there wasn't video or it hasn't been recovered yet.

One of the articles says thats how they identified the shooter.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

One of the articles says thats how they identified the shooter.

So, what do you think happened? Do you think that a totally normal businessman, on vacation for a wedding, stopped at a gas station with his wife and decided to shoot and murder some random kid for no reason?

 

[DrunkenSano]

Like most normal people, I reserve my judgement until more evidence is revealed. Just because the kid is black, dresses like a thug, listens to thug music, rolls up in a SUV with thug friends doesn't mean he is a thug. Also, just because no gun was found in the SUV means there never was a weapon in the car.

Some of you would make the worst detectives in the world.

 

[BudAshes]

So, what do you think happened? Do you think that a totally normal businessman, on vacation for a wedding, stopped at a gas station with his wife and decided to shoot and murder some random kid for no reason?

It's possible that he is just a coward and got scared. Scared people do stupid things.

 

[Jumpem]

If he saw a gun pointing his way, it's all jsutified.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

It's possible that he is just a coward and got scared. Scared people do stupid things.

Sure, sure, especially when you make out like you have a gun....


That's why I say..... a good life lesson is to not go around trying to intimidate people or threaten their life as they can legally shoot you. I swear, they need to start teaching this in middle school or something.

 

[Robsasman]

So, what do you think happened? Do you think that a totally normal businessman, on vacation for a wedding, stopped at a gas station with his wife and decided to shoot and murder some random kid for no reason?

Yeah, thats what it sounds like to me. At least until we get more info. He told them to turn it down, and they told him to go fuck himself.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Sure, sure, especially when you make out like you have a gun....


That's why I say..... a good life lesson is to not go around trying to intimidate people or threaten their life as they can legally shoot you. I swear, they need to start teaching this in middle school or something.

Just because something is taught doesn't mean kids listen. I'm sure plenty of schools and parents try to teach their kids how to be proper members of society. However, to do so would not be 'cool'.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yeah, thats what it sounds like to me. At least until we get more info. He told them to turn it down, and they told him to go fuck himself.

ROFL Take off the blinders...........

 

[slayer202]

I think I see SpatiallyAware pointing a gun on me, someone help

what a waste of life you are

 

[dbk]

Sure, sure, especially when you make out like you have a gun....


That's why I say..... a good life lesson is to not go around trying to intimidate people or threaten their life as they can legally shoot you. I swear, they need to start teaching this in middle school or something.

Yeah, he shouldn't have been intimidating those kids just because they were listening to music too loudly.. especially when he was carrying a loaded weapon! oh, wait...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Just because something is taught doesn't mean kids listen. I'm sure plenty of schools and parents try to teach their kids how to be proper members of society. However, to do so would not be 'cool'.

Based on this forum, specifically on our last ridiculous thread with a similar situation, it is abundantly clear that many people have no idea how self defense laws work.

We have members who truly believe that someone being attacked should "allow" the aggressor to beat them up until one punch before death before it's legally ok to shoot back.

We have members who think that it's acceptable to threaten someone's life (with words, pointing guns, knives, etc) and as long as they aren't in the actual process of taking your life then you cannot shoot them.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yeah, he shouldn't have been intimidating those kids just because they were listening to music too loudly.. especially when he was carrying a loaded weapon! oh, wait...

Again, it's very simple:

Asking someone to turn down their music: Legal, not a threat on their life.

Pointing a gun or object like a gun: Illegal, interpreted as a threat on one's life.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I think I see SpatiallyAware pointing a gun on me, someone help

what a waste of life you are

I would never, ever, do such a thing.

 

[Thebobo]

wow... everyone's got a gun these days??

Not me.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

You must really love your rap music, how dare anyone disrespect your rap music

Because its annoying when people automatically assume "Fuck the Police" when someone says rap music. Rap can range from Kanye West to Will Smith to NWA. For all I know, they could of been bumping "Dear Mama" from Tupac.