Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[OCNewbie]

Which basically chances are by playing that music loud enough at the gas station, those kids were in fact breaking the law. At a minimum of disturbing the peace of unlawful assembly. Depending upon the local laws for that area. Speaking of which, if the local laws of that area make playing loud music like that a FELONY, he has every right to shoot them. Silly as that sounds, but that's SYG law for you.

HumblePie made the assertion in an earlier post that you can shoot someone for playing very loud music if the local laws in that area state that playing loud music is a felony.

I didn't make that assertion. Not at all. Go read what I actually stated before you try to change what was said to an incorrect statement.

I'm gonna have to agree with They Live here; you totally said that.

 

[HumblePie]

Seems like you are stating that here:

Out of context. If the local laws made that a forcible felony, then those kids have zero claim to self defense. Especially since he has a medical problem related to his ears. Meaning if they were causing him pain, he asked them to turn down the music because of the pain in his ears, and they attempted to cause more pain by turning up the music, or offering insult he could shoot them according to law. But that would be a very weird case.

However, I can't even think of a jurisdiction that makes playing loud music a forcible felony around a gas station. I'm just saying if where those kids were at HAD that as a law, then yes. It's one of those strange but true what ifs.

 

[HumblePie]

If you play music, or sound at levels that could cause deafness to the human ear, and are doing with the intent to hurt others around you, there are places that consider that a forcible felony. People that don't think loud sounds can cause grave bodily harm are ignorant.

I'm not saying that the incident was anywhere near that "what if" but I was making an interesting point.

 

[OCNewbie]

Seems like you are stating that here

Out of context.

It wasn't out of context at all. I've included the entire paragraph that includes the sentence They Live was referencing.

Which basically chances are by playing that music loud enough at the gas station, those kids were in fact breaking the law. At a minimum of disturbing the peace of unlawful assembly. Depending upon the local laws for that area. Speaking of which, if the local laws of that area make playing loud music like that a FELONY, he has every right to shoot them. Silly as that sounds, but that's SYG law for you.

HumblePie made the assertion in an earlier post that you can shoot someone for playing very loud music if the local laws in that area state that playing loud music is a felony.

I didn't make that assertion. Not at all. Go read what I actually stated before you try to change what was said to an incorrect statement.

You made that EXACT assertion.

 

[They Live]

So, from my understanding of the law as said by Humblepie, if it was a forcible felony to be playing loud music in that particular area, Dunn was legally allowed to shoot them, and he would be covered by SYG. He would apparently need no other defense.

 

[HumblePie]

For some reason I thought I read that you stated I said it was a forcible felony for them to be playing loud music there. My bad. But yes, IF it was and they were doing so with the intent to cause harm to others, then yep.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Out of context. If the local laws made that a forcible felony, then those kids have zero claim to self defense. Especially since he has a medical problem related to his ears. Meaning if they were causing him pain, he asked them to turn down the music because of the pain in his ears, and they attempted to cause more pain by turning up the music, or offering insult he could shoot them according to law. But that would be a very weird case.

However, I can't even think of a jurisdiction that makes playing loud music a forcible felony around a gas station. I'm just saying if where those kids were at HAD that as a law, then yes. It's one of those strange but true what ifs.

LOL. Stop acting like a lawyer and speculating. You suck at both.

Yes, those kids were causing a forcible felony by playing the music loud to hurt him and he had a right to shoot them. Idiot.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

LOL. Stop acting like a lawyer and speculating. You suck at both.

This is the typical response from the crumponites when met with facts and logical assumptions.

 

[Capt Caveman]

This is the typical response from the crumponites when met with facts and logical assumptions.

Link to evidence and facts? Oh wait, you can't b/c all you do is lie. Idiot.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Link to evidence and facts? Oh wait, you can't b/c all you do is lie. Idiot.

And all of you have these extreme tempers, it's so easy to see how you're able to relate to this case.

Is that why you're so personally attached? I guess as a hothead, it scares you that other people are able to legally defend themselves when you lose your temper and threaten them.

 

[HumblePie]

LOL. Stop acting like a lawyer and speculating. You suck at both.

Yes, those kids were causing a forcible felony by playing the music loud to hurt him and he had a right to shoot them. Idiot.

You care to refute that? I can point to the law directly which states if a person is where they are legally allowed to be and are under threat of grave bodily harm they can defend themselves with up to deadly force. You care to show some sort of evidence that refutes that? You care to show how a loud enough sound can not cause grave bodily harm?

I was throwing out an interesting "what if" conjecture there. I did not state emphatically that because the teens were playing loud music that Dunn was automatically given carte blanch license to kill them.

 

[OCNewbie]

For some reason I thought I read that you stated I said it was a forcible felony for them to be playing loud music there. My bad. But yes, IF it was and they were doing so with the intent to cause harm to others, then yep.

Props, yo.

 

[classy]

For some reason I thought I read that you stated I said it was a forcible felony for them to be playing loud music there. My bad. But yes, IF it was and they were doing so with the intent to cause harm to others, then yep.

Your racism is FVCKING CLEAR its CRYSTAL. You would actually sit there and say someone deserved to killed because they played loud music. No doubt you would excuse a rapist because the girl's skirt was too short.

You are just an ignorant ignorant person.

 

[classy]

Its just sad how extreme so many would go here to justify killing someone of color and thats all this is about. I thought for the most part a lot of this bullshit had passed here, but somehow a few new ones have come along to rebuild the ranks.

 

[HumblePie]

Your racism is FVCKING CLEAR its CRYSTAL. You would actually sit there and say someone deserved to killed because they played loud music. No doubt you would excuse a rapist because the girl's skirt was too short.

You are just an ignorant ignorant person.

WOAH, racism? WTF are you talking about? I stated that if ANYONE was playing a sound loud enough to cause grave bodily harm to anyone else with the INTENT to do so, then people have the right to defend themselves.

Just because the weapon of choice to cause harm to others is SOUND and not a fucking gun doesn't make it less of a threat.

You are a fucking dipshit asshole calling me racist because I was making people understand an esoteric point of law. Fuck you. You are the racist fucking pig.

 

[spidey07]

Its just sad how extreme so many would go here to justify killing someone of color and thats all this is about. I thought for the most part a lot of this bullshit had passed here, but somehow a few new ones have come along to rebuild the ranks.

The shooting was justified because of verbal threats to life, a weapon shown and disparity of force. Color has nothing to do with it. Don't go around threatening others and presenting a weapon and you won't get shot.

 

[CVSiN]

Your racism is FVCKING CLEAR its CRYSTAL. You would actually sit there and say someone deserved to killed because they played loud music. No doubt you would excuse a rapist because the girl's skirt was too short.

You are just an ignorant ignorant person.

You are a total and complete tool.
Read HBs posts from the beginning till now.
He has been the one telling off the blatant racists with facts.

You just made yourself look really stupid..
good game.. and "classy"

 

[SheHateMe]

Seems like you are stating that here:

Sounds like Humble has Amnesia.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You care to refute that? I can point to the law directly which states if a person is where they are legally allowed to be and are under threat of grave bodily harm they can defend themselves with up to deadly force. You care to show some sort of evidence that refutes that? You care to show how a loud enough sound can not cause grave bodily harm?

I was throwing out an interesting "what if" conjecture there. I did not state emphatically that because the teens were playing loud music that Dunn was automatically given carte blanch license to kill them.

:biggrin: Please stop it. I can't stop laughing.

"Your honor. The music was causing me bodily harm, I had no other recourse but to shoot them". :biggrin:

 

[TerryMathews]

Its just sad how extreme so many would go here to justify killing someone of color and thats all this is about. I thought for the most part a lot of this bullshit had passed here, but somehow a few new ones have come along to rebuild the ranks.

Are you familiar with the psychological process where by a cheating spouse will illogically suspect the other spouse of cheating?

 

[HumblePie]

:biggrin: Please stop it. I can't stop laughing.

"Your honor. The music was causing me bodily harm, I had no other recourse but to shoot them". :biggrin:

If someone is making a sound loud enough to make me go permanently go deaf, and was doing so with the intention to cause that harm to me and others, I'm going to defend myself.

More so if the person looking to cause harm through sound is setting up the sound in a resonance frequency with enough power to cause bodily harm in other ways. You really have no clue do you?

 

[Capt Caveman]

If someone is making a sound loud enough to make me go permanently go deaf, and was doing so with the intention to cause that harm to me and others, I'm going to defend myself.

More so if the person looking to cause harm through sound is setting up the sound in a resonance frequency with enough power to cause bodily harm in other ways. You really have no clue do you?

:biggrin:

 

[classy]

You are a total and complete tool.
Read HBs posts from the beginning till now.
He has been the one telling off the blatant racists with facts.

You just made yourself look really stupid..
good game.. and "classy"

Ain't no way in hell, anyone can even remotely fathom the idea that killing someone over loud music is justifiable, unless they are clinically insane or racist. You choose.....and humble is clear runner in the latter pack.

 

[HumblePie]

:biggrin:

Care to refute that loud sounds can not cause grave bodily harm with enough power behind them?

Care to refute that the wording of the law states that people are allowed to protect themselves in Florida against grave bodily harm allows them to use deadly force?

Care to refute that the defense laws don't state the method of which grave bodily harm comes from?

 

[classy]

Next Humble will be telling me that roughing up little girls outside screaming while playing jump rope is somehow justifiable. Its so stupid, it just goes beyond anything rational. Yes officer, I shot him because the bass was too loud, I might have restrained myself if the treble was a little clearer.