Teaser trailer for Star Trek: Picard

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aigomorla

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whoops.. meant biggest US battleships.
edited my post above

fun fact...

I think the US has 3 battleships parked at sea, turned into museums, however 2 of them can be launched at any given moment if required, and one requires only slight upgrades.

The two i hear that are ready to go at any moment are the USS. Wisconsin and USS. Iowa.
So i guess on both the pacific and atlantic we can deploy a battleship if needed.

The last i believe is the USS. Missouri, which you saw in that move.
I hear it can be seaworthy, but they rather deploy the Iowa if need be.
But i hear a Flight III Arleigh Burke class could easily take down a WW2 battleship even before it could see it beyond the visual horizon.


Anyhow i thought season 3 Picard was just fail.
Too many plot holes.
Writers going "meh lets leave it to the audience to make shit up we left holes for."

Im looking forward to "Strange New Worlds".
But i think the writers strike is gonna WRECK TV shows this season.

Discovery im going Meh to.
Im really looking forward to Halo Season 2 tho.

Who would win... Master Chief from Halo... or Shepard from Mass Effect.
Well in terms of AI, Cortana / Weapon would eat EDI for lunch tho.
 
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Umm, question.

Didn't season 2 end with "lab girl" merging with the borg queen and saving Picard 650 years later?

OK. So why have they completely ignored that this season.
Until last season the borg were still a major force in the galaxy that's why, the alternate galaxy that Q send them to had eradication day to kill the last living borg and they had to fight to bring things back to normal and a major factor in convincing the queen to kinda help them was that the borg were doing fine in their/the original timeline.

Now somehow that borg cube with the few half digested borg in s3e10 is the last in existence even though the first season also had a major part of it happen in a borg cube that still had tons of borg on it, all of them alive since they were "reclaiming" them. And no, the vacuum of space does not hurt the borg.

Yeah as already stated, zero S#!ts were given to any continuity.
 
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not to mention we never saw the Zheng He again, despite starfleeting having about 80+ of them in season 1 standing off against the entire tal shiar fleet.
 

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Until last season the borg were still a major force in the galaxy that's why, the alternate galaxy that Q send them to had eradication day to kill the last living borg and they had to fight to bring things back to normal and a major factor in convincing the queen to kinda help them was that the borg were doing fine in their/the original timeline.

Now somehow that borg cube with the few half digested borg in s3e10 is the last in existence even though the first season also had a major part of it happen in a borg cube that still had tons of borg on it, all of them alive since they were "reclaiming" them. And no, the vacuum of space does not hurt the borg.

Yeah as already stated, zero S#!ts were given to any continuity.
Wow, thank you. :)
 
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Until last season the borg were still a major force in the galaxy that's why, the alternate galaxy that Q send them to had eradication day to kill the last living borg and they had to fight to bring things back to normal and a major factor in convincing the queen to kinda help them was that the borg were doing fine in their/the original timeline.

Now somehow that borg cube with the few half digested borg in s3e10 is the last in existence even though the first season also had a major part of it happen in a borg cube that still had tons of borg on it, all of them alive since they were "reclaiming" them. And no, the vacuum of space does not hurt the borg.

Yeah as already stated, zero S#!ts were given to any continuity.
No wrong. After Picard and gang returned to the 24th century, it’s the prime timeline and everything we saw in TNG and Voyager. The Jurati Borg wandered the galaxy from the 21st - 24th century without interacting with the Delta quadrant Borg. This Borg queen in these last 2 episodes of a Picard is because of what Janeway did to them in the Voyager finale. So the $hits are you not able to follow the storyline. Continuity fully intact.
 
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No wrong. After Picard and gang returned to the 24th century, it’s the prime timeline and everything we saw in TNG and Voyager. The Jurati Borg wandered the galaxy from the 21st - 24th century without interacting with the Delta quadrant Borg. This Borg queen in these last 2 episodes of a Picard is because of what Janeway did to them in the Voyager finale. So the $hits are you not able to follow the storyline. Continuity fully intact.
Thanx to both of you. I'm just happy I don't feel stupid for asking the question. Cheers :)
 

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But I do wonder why so many are confused that Jurati Borg is a separate offshoot from original TNG Borg. Sure it was only like 10 minutes in last episode of season 2. And there was a quick line by Shaw about it in like episode 2 or 3. But it’s very apparent when the queen is talking in this last episode, she’s blaming Janeway for being this way.
 

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So the $hits are you not able to follow the storyline. Continuity fully intact.
No because it gets shit into branching of multiverses, because:

1. You can't hide a Queen from a Queen.
2. She can read variations in the timeline. - the season 2 queen did this, there is nothing saying that the season 3 cant.
3. Again YOU CAN'T hide borg tech from borg tech, especially again if she knows another is out there.
You remember in Startrek First contact.

The Queen even knew the timeline was FUD. She knew if she killed Picard, Enterprise, killed first contact, the timeline would reset, and data trying to kill her will never exist. Also in the last episode of Janeway, she knew if she reset the timeline, things will go back, and that required her to kill Janeway, or a Paradox version of her

Lastly if your going to break time like Kirk and Janeway, the only person who can get away with it is Kirk, because when anyone else including Janeway try:
Those guys will be up your ass so fast they will literally pop out of existence to fix what you broke.
But! Discovery even KILLED that canon with the PURGE, as that reset almost all civilizations back to the prewarp age.
Where is the temporal division then, another branching universe?

Do you remember the episode with the Borg One?
Again... shows you can't hide BORG from BORG..
Something always activates like a redundant backup.

Juriati's tatical cube like structure which is probably way more advance then a real tatical cube.
 
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No because it gets shit into branching of multiverses, because:

1. You can't hide a Queen from a Queen.
2. She can read variations in the timeline. - the season 2 queen did this, there is nothing saying that the season 3 cant.
3. Again YOU CAN'T hide borg tech from borg tech, especially again if she knows another is out there.
You remember in Startrek First contact.
Well complain all you want, Jurati Borg is canon and a separate off shoot that still exists after Picard finale
 

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Well complain all you want, Jurati Borg is canon and a separate off shoot that still exists after Picard finale

just like the fleet of starfleets most advance, warship, the Inquiry class, which we never see again.

Sorry Picard is not Canon, its a branch off another universe like JJ Abrams.
Its not even written by Gene, and the story is utter garbage except the first season up until the Inquiry class, as that was obviously a PR stunt from Paramount to the get the broadcast approved in China.

How else they gonna get it approved.
They have to make the Chinese named ship the most powerful ship in starfleet, and make it like China came and save the season.

*sigh*

I really like Season One... it even had Tamlyn Tomita.
Then yeah, you can see the influence in the TV / Movie industry which studios are forced to follow in order to get broadcasting rights.
 
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LOL @ "canon" in any fictional series.

My understanding of the word "canon" meant it was written by the original author, for the original settings.
Picard is definitely not a original setting, neither is Discovery.

The only thing which can be said to be almost canon would be "Strange new World" as it foreshadowed Pike's end which follows Canon.
But they even had to pretend to make everything about discovery redacted, erasing it from the Star Trek World entirely, by slapping it with Section 31 tape all over it.
 
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My understanding of the word "canon" meant it was written by the original author, for the original settings.
Picard is definitely not a original setting, neither is Discovery.

The only thing which can be said to be almost canon would be "Strange new World" as it foreshadowed Pike's end which follows Canon.
But they even had to pretend to make everything about discovery redacted, erasing it from the Star Trek World entirely, by slapping it with Section 31 tape all over it.

In that sense I can't argue.... I was thinking more that it meant made up sets of "unwritten rules" that future stories had to follow.
 

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"Canon" only means "official". If it was released as a tv show or movie, it's canon. Fan fiction and video games aren't considered canon.
 

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"Canon" only means "official". If it was released as a tv show or movie, it's canon

Thats not true because the entire JJ Abrams universe is NOT canon.
Unless you care to show me where else in the entire Star Trek Universe has Vulcan completely destroyed.

EDIT: ugh... after reading a lot of people consider it unfinished canon in THAT universe.
So again, i guess we have to look at multipul universe theory, and assume every star trek we see is a branch off another universe.
 

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Both examples coexist. There's unlimited dimensions, and both circumstances can be simultaneously true. Both are canon, and work within themselves. They can also work together with time shifting and/or dimension hopping. The only limit is the writer's imagination. It's all bullshit anyway. I'm unaware of any physics that corroborates most of Trek. They add sciencey sounding stuff, but it's still bullshit. Best not to think about it too hard.
 

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My point is that I think "canon" being taken too much into consideration by show producers screws story-lines up more than anything else.

Use Disco as an example.... IMO by far the best part of that show was the "re-imagined" season 1 not the "feel-frenzy" of politically correct (and steadily worse!) crap "canon-fixing" that followed. I'll still watch the final season but only just.
 

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Paramount owns the Star Trek license. They authorized Abrams and all the current shows. It’s canon no matter how much one doesn’t want it to be.
 

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Use Disco as an example.... IMO by far the best part of that show was the "re-imagined" season 1 not the "feel-frenzy" of politically correct (and steadily worse!) crap "canon-fixing" that followed. I'll still watch the final season but only just.
I'd have to rewatch it to refresh my memory, and that's not happening. I was interested enough to keep up with the series to see how it went. In retrospect, it wasn't one of my best decisions :^D Grudge and Jett Reno are cool though.
 
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I'd have to rewatch it to refresh my memory, and that's not happening. I was interested enough to keep up with the series to see how it went. In retrospect, it wasn't one of my best decisions :^D Grudge and Jett Reno are cool though.

I understand completely ... I had such high hopes for that series going in too! :neutral:
 
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Just for the "record" I'm fairly sure Everett's multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics is ridiculous.

So, who the f' am I? The same guy that said time is NOT another dimension of this universe.

But perhaps most important, researchers hope that the work will open up a new way to unify quantum theory with Einstein’s general theory of relativity, which describes the structure of space-time. The world we experience in daily life, in which events occur in an order determined by their locations in space and time, is just a subset of the possibilities that quantum physics allows. “If you have space-time, you have a well-defined causal order,” said Časlav Brukner, a physicist at the University of Vienna who studies quantum information. But “if you don’t have a well-defined causal order,” he said — as is the case in experiments he has proposed — then “you don’t have space-time.” Some physicists take this as evidence for a profoundly nonintuitive worldview, in which quantum correlations are more fundamental than space-time, and space-time itself is somehow built up from correlations among events, in what might be called quantum relationalism. The argument updates Gottfried Leibniz and Ernst Mach’s idea that space-time might not be a God-given backdrop to the world, but instead might derive from the material contents of the universe.

 

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I'd have to rewatch it to refresh my memory, and that's not happening. I was interested enough to keep up with the series to see how it went. In retrospect, it wasn't one of my best decisions :^D Grudge and Jett Reno are cool though.

Think back to that rat-bastage Lorca (Jason Isaacs) and Captain Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh).... also Alan Tudyk ("Wash" from Firefly). The cast in particular had real potential.

Yeah the giant-head Klingons looked really stupid and they were already over-doing the political correctness but that horse had yet to leave the barn.
 

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Yea, I wasn't lovin' it, but I thought it had potential. Trek doesn't always do great with the first season anyway, and I'll always give it another chance to straighten up and find footing. Discovery went even farther off the rails.
 
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Discovery went even farther off the rails.

That galatic purge was really off the rails.
They should of just morphed it into the 40k universe, saying everything went to hell like 40k after Horus Hersey.
Even given us flying Citadel's and they can make Henry Cavel the God Emperor see discovery appearing though the time wormhole.
 
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