Teachers telling kids private ownership is wrong..

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

Yeah, you missed reality. While a person may defend their property with force (perfectly reasonable) everyone lives with zoning laws.

I fail to see how the concept of private property is perverted in the US.

 

[FoBoT]

my county has no zoning laws, there are a lot of anti-government type rednecks that vote it down whenever they try to pass zoning

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=022107C

Some Seattle school children are being told to be skeptical of private property rights. This lesson is being taught by banning Legos.

A ban was initiated at the Hilltop Children's Center in Seattle. According to an article in the winter 2006-07 issue of "Rethinking Schools" magazine, the teachers at the private school wanted their students to learn that private property ownership is evil.

Given some recent history in Washington state with respect to private property protections, perhaps this should not come as a surprise.

Municipal officials in Washington have long known how to condemn one person's private property and sell it to another for the "public use" of private economic development.

Even prior to the U.S. Supreme Court's 2005 ruling in Kelo v. City of New London, Connecticut, which sanctioned such a use of eminent domain, Washington state officials acting under their state constitution were already proceeding full speed ahead with such transactions.

Officials in Bremerton, for example, condemned a house where a widow had lived for 55 years so her property could be used for a car lot, according to the Institute for Justice.

And Seattle successfully condemned nine properties and turned them over to a private developer for retail shops and hotel parking
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WTF, sounds like the kids are being brain washed.

Actually these Teachers deserve praise as they are dealing with reality.

Why give the kids false hope unless you want them to be protesters when they grow up.

ummmmm. no.

the teachers deserve anything but praise. this is the one of the most idiotic types of teaching philosophy i have ever heard.

What would you do different?

Teach them subjects, not morals? At an age when kids play with Legos in school, they're not old enough to make their own informed, rational decision.

This is socialist brainwashing. The irony that they're being taught that private property is wrong in a PRIVATE school is just icing on this crapcake. I'd pull my kid from that school immediately upon hearing this.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: ISAslot
Great, remove incentive to work hard and excel.

Socialism - the American way.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
my county has no zoning laws, there are a lot of anti-government type rednecks that vote it down whenever they try to pass zoning

If you tell me they have outlawed HOA's as well then you live in paradise and I want to move there.

 

[halik]

Wow that sounds just like my elementary school. Oh wait, I grew up in a communist country...

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=022107C

Some Seattle school children are being told to be skeptical of private property rights. This lesson is being taught by banning Legos.

A ban was initiated at the Hilltop Children's Center in Seattle. According to an article in the winter 2006-07 issue of "Rethinking Schools" magazine, the teachers at the private school wanted their students to learn that private property ownership is evil.

Given some recent history in Washington state with respect to private property protections, perhaps this should not come as a surprise.

Municipal officials in Washington have long known how to condemn one person's private property and sell it to another for the "public use" of private economic development.

Even prior to the U.S. Supreme Court's 2005 ruling in Kelo v. City of New London, Connecticut, which sanctioned such a use of eminent domain, Washington state officials acting under their state constitution were already proceeding full speed ahead with such transactions.

Officials in Bremerton, for example, condemned a house where a widow had lived for 55 years so her property could be used for a car lot, according to the Institute for Justice.

And Seattle successfully condemned nine properties and turned them over to a private developer for retail shops and hotel parking
Q]

WTF, sounds like the kids are being brain washed.

Actually these Teachers deserve praise as they are dealing with reality.

Why give the kids false hope unless you want them to be protesters when they grow up.

For once I can actually agree with you, eminent domain is a bunch of Bulsh!t.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Ownership envy? I take it you have never worked hard for anything and made it your own?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

Yeah, you missed reality. While a person may defend their property with force (perfectly reasonable) everyone lives with zoning laws.

I fail to see how the concept of private property is perverted in the US.

Zing!

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: FoBoT
my county has no zoning laws, there are a lot of anti-government type rednecks that vote it down whenever they try to pass zoning

If you tell me they have outlawed HOA's as well then you live in paradise and I want to move there.

HOA's are not outlawed, but they are not enforceable
we were given a one page "covenant" something, but our realtor said it isn't enforceable, nobody can sue us if we don't follow it. but it is very liberal anyway, about the only thing you can't build explicitly is a pig farm or a strip club and it has a clause that anything you build has to be completed in one year

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Amused
everyone lives with zoning laws.

we don't

oh, and only personal property is truly private. real property is merely rented from the king for a fee. that's why it's called 'fee simple' ownership. also, the word 'real' refers to the king. literally, then, it's king's property.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Amused
everyone lives with zoning laws.

we don't

oh, and only personal property is truly private. real property is merely rented from the king for a fee. that's why it's called 'fee simple' ownership. also, the word 'real' refers to the king. literally, then, it's king's property.

We got rid of those in 1781 though.

 

[tm37]

My son is in second grade.

So far he has "learned"

1. The civil war was a war to free the slaves the south were evil evil people
2. Second hand smoke KILLS and there are numous studies to prove it.
3. The government does not spend enough on eductation

Now I will say that overall I am pleased with the education system here. And Also living in a rural area helps. The things I have heard coming out of the the metro area schools is down right frightening.

I live in MN

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

...
While a person may defend their property with force (perfectly reasonable) everyone lives with zoning laws.
...

Thank you, you just rewrote what I said.

 

[KDOG]

Good grief. And I thought the Peoples' Republic of New Jersey was bad...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

...
While a person may defend their property with force (perfectly reasonable) everyone lives with zoning laws.
...

Thank you, you just rewrote what I said.

Um, no. I did not.

You characterized this as perverted. It is anything but.

 

[KK]

What do expect from a public school. If that ain't the breeding ground for liberals, I don't know what is.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KK
What do expect from a public school. If that ain't the breeding ground for liberals, I don't know what is.

The school is private.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KK
What do expect from a public school. If that ain't the breeding ground for liberals, I don't know what is.

The school is private.

interesting...this would be something you'd expect from a public school where there would be no consequences for teaching such a concept.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I seem to have forgotten the part where teachers are supposed to insert their own beliefs into their lesson plans. Obviously it's a private school and they can do what they want, but this is just ridiculous. How can these people actually be licensed?

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

...
While a person may defend their property with force (perfectly reasonable) everyone lives with zoning laws.
...

Thank you, you just rewrote what I said.

Um, no. I did not.

You characterized this as perverted. It is anything but.

I think he was describing zoning in the second part.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Some Seattle school children are being told to be skeptical of private property rights. This lesson is being taught by banning Legos.
A ban was initiated at the Hilltop Children's Center in Seattle. According to an article in the winter 2006-07 issue of "Rethinking Schools" magazine, the teachers at the private school wanted their students to learn that private property ownership is evil.

I suspect that most of the parents pay for their kids to attend this school because they think and teach this way. It is probably nothing more than an extension of what they are learning at home.

Well, if one parent is upset, all they have to do is walk into the classrooms of these teachers and start taking stuff. After all, the concept of private property is extremely antiquated.

 

[razor2025]

I don't see this as being ridiculous at all. I find that schools in US lack teachings in being part of the community.

The teachers then explored with the students concepts of fairness, equity, power, and other issues over a period of several months.

This isn't about "OMG COMMIES". This is about teachers teaching common sense to kids. Most kids I've interact lately have been quite selfish and self-centered. It's about time, there's a re-balancing in order. Sure, the standard sizes thing was a bit over-the-top, yet isn't that what we already experience in reality? Ever heard of building codes?

On a side note, I find ATOT's hate towards anything involving "fairness" and "sharing" disturbing. Not everything involving equality and/or community ownership has to be "OMG COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM". Even in our quasi-capitalistic society, we have things like public domain and civil confiscation.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: razor2025
I don't see this as being ridiculous at all. I find that schools in US lack teachings in being part of the community.

The teachers then explored with the students concepts of fairness, equity, power, and other issues over a period of several months.

This isn't about "OMG COMMIES". This is about teachers teaching common sense to kids. Most kids I've interact lately have been quite selfish and self-centered. It's about time, there's a re-balancing in order. Sure, the standard sizes thing was a bit over-the-top, yet isn't that what we already experience in reality? Ever heard of building codes?

On a side note, I find ATOT's hate towards anything involving "fairness" and "sharing" disturbing. Not everything involving equality and/or community ownership has to be "OMG COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM". Even in our quasi-capitalistic society, we have things like public domain and civil confiscation.

Life is not fair. "Fair" is only achieved by violating the rights of others.

You can be free, or fair. Not both.

As for sharing, it has to be voluntary. Forced sharing is theft.

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I seem to have forgotten the part where teachers are supposed to insert their own beliefs into their lesson plans. Obviously it's a private school and they can do what they want, but this is just ridiculous. How can these people actually be licensed?

That's just stupid. There is always a bias in teaching social sciences (I'm guessing the class in question is teaching this subject) and literature. The very nature of the subjects are based upon bias.