Teachers telling kids private ownership is wrong..

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025

No, a lack of morality, ethics and lawbreaking created scums like Enron's criminals.

Selfishness had very little to do with it.

Selfishness is what drove those scum to do what they did. They wanted greater wealth irregardless of consequences to others.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Amused
There is nothing noble about it.

You do not teach sharing by taking things away from people by force. You teach sharing by instructing the children why it is good to share WILLINGLY.

And yes, there IS something distinctly "evil" about teaching children that private property is bad.

It's a private school, let them teach wahtever they want to teach.

The let the parents pull their kids out, the school will close, and everyone's happy.

Agreed.

The greatest irony here is of course that this is a private school. They are protected by the very system they condemn.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025

No, a lack of morality, ethics and lawbreaking created scums like Enron's criminals.

Selfishness had very little to do with it.

Selfishness is what drove those scum to do what they did. They wanted greater wealth irregardless of consequences to others.

pssst, regardless

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: Vic

BLAH BLAH about communism again (not reading my posts)

But hey, keep whining your brainwashed garbage about the evil selfishness of individuals...

I've already stated multiple times, that simple lessons in sharing != communist propaganda.

I hope you keep the same attitude, when said "evil" real-estate developers condemns your personal property so they can buy it off cheaply as public land.

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
pssst, regardless

Well then, please do share what drove the Enron CEOs to commit what they knew had to be immoral and illegal? Please do tell? Did they do it for simply "the rush"?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Linflas

Some Seattle school children are being told to be skeptical of private property rights. This lesson is being taught by banning Legos.
A ban was initiated at the Hilltop Children's Center in Seattle. According to an article in the winter 2006-07 issue of "Rethinking Schools" magazine, the teachers at the private school wanted their students to learn that private property ownership is evil.

I suspect that most of the parents pay for their kids to attend this school because they think and teach this way. It is probably nothing more than an extension of what they are learning at home.

Well, if one parent is upset, all they have to do is walk into the classrooms of these teachers and start taking stuff. After all, the concept of private property is extremely antiquated.

I would pay admission to watch that.

Teacher: Hey! Put that computer down, you can't just walk in here and take that!
Parent: But my son said that you taught him that private property was outdated and evil so I assumed that meant I could take this computer home for him to use.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

yea you did miss something.

you dont own property (land) at all, dont pay your property tax for a few years and see who comes knocking on your door to take it back. Also you can not do anything with it as you please. there is a little thing called zoning, so you cant flatten your hosue and build a gas station, or tire recycle plant. Oh and lets not forget about enviromental laws you cant turn your property into a used oil and antifreeze repository... so no you dont really own your property and no you cant do with it as you please.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Are you anti-private property rights?

No, actually I'm quite fond of private property rights. However, I hate those who take everything to extreme. I'm not against private ownership. I am against those who are extremely selfish and doesn't acknowledge the existence of others. Extreme selfishness created scums like Enron CEOs.

:thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its the great undermining of our society, something Democrats have been working decades at. The best way to change a society is to reprogram the future generations. The best way to do that is through the education system.

Not to venture down the P&N path, but Democrat/Republicans are not cut and dry. People can try all they want to say otherwise but each democrat and each republican is an individual. Those individuals more often than not are looking out for their greater good and not necessarily following any kind of 'team' rules.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025

No, a lack of morality, ethics and lawbreaking created scums like Enron's criminals.

Selfishness had very little to do with it.

Selfishness is what drove those scum to do what they did. They wanted greater wealth irregardless of consequences to others.

And what of those that want to redistribute wealth regardless to the consequences to others?

"Selfishness" in and of itself is not bad. It is a lack of morality, ethics and willingness to break laws that is bad here.

Altrusim can be just as evil.

Therefore selfishness was NOT the driving force behind those crimes. A lack of ethics and morality was.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025

No, a lack of morality, ethics and lawbreaking created scums like Enron's criminals.

Selfishness had very little to do with it.

Selfishness is what drove those scum to do what they did. They wanted greater wealth irregardless of consequences to others.

You are confused. Enron was just doing what corporations in the corporatist system are designed to do (and mandated by law to do), i.e. make money for their shareholders. So as their original business model (of energy brokering) began to collapse, the corporate entity sought to protect itself and changed its business model into keeping its stock value inflated. You can't point to certain individuals involved and blame them for selfishness -- they were fulfilling their duties under the collectivist system in place. The fault is the system. Like all collectivist systems (socialism and communism included), corporatism places little to no value on the plight of single individuals who might happen to fall in the path of the mindless rampaging mob. The mob is always fixated on its goal regardless of the consequences. The mob always operates in a state of panic and fear. It always sees an enemy and a danger, and behaves accordingly.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Vic

BLAH BLAH about communism again (not reading my posts)

But hey, keep whining your brainwashed garbage about the evil selfishness of individuals...

I've already stated multiple times, that simple lessons in sharing != communist propaganda.

I hope you keep the same attitude, when said "evil" real-estate developers condemns your personal property so they can buy it off cheaply as public land.

Wow... thanks for not even reading my post. :roll:

Tell me, how could a corporate collective of real estate developers manage to condemn my personal property without using the force and power of yet another collective (government/state)?

The doublethink is strong in this one. :disgust:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Good. Most Americans' understanding of private property rights is just as perverted, only in the other direction.

Wow... just wow. :roll:

Americans take their lead from their govt on this. My property is mine, if you touch it I'll kill you as my property rights trump any rights you might have, I can do anything I want with it regardless of the impact my actions have on you or your property, and by virtue of owning my property I have a right to say what you do with your property. Did I miss anything?

yea you did miss something.

you dont own property (land) at all, dont pay your property tax for a few years and see who comes knocking on your door to take it back. Also you can not do anything with it as you please. there is a little thing called zoning, so you cant flatten your hosue and build a gas station, or tire recycle plant. Oh and lets not forget about enviromental laws you cant turn your property into a used oil and antifreeze repository... so no you dont really own your property and no you cant do with it as you please.

Also Mr. John Wayne or Dirty Harry or whatever web persona you were trying to imply...you cannot simply kill someone for touching your property anymore.

Do you wear a waist or shoulder holster around the house or just tuck it in your waistband?

lllers.

 

[razor2025]

I'm curious, do you (joshsquall, Vic, Amused ) listen to Hannity and/or Boortz? Because your opinions seems to mimic them. As much as I dislike communism (I was born in PRC, so I already had my fun times with communists), it seems like the McCarthy-era communism scare is still prevalent in many poster's minds. Communism/Socialism isn't 100% flawed, nor our quasi-capitalistic-representative-republic 100% perfect.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025

No, a lack of morality, ethics and lawbreaking created scums like Enron's criminals.

Selfishness had very little to do with it.

Selfishness is what drove those scum to do what they did. They wanted greater wealth irregardless of consequences to others.

And what of those that want to redistribute wealth regardless to the consequences to others?

"Selfishness" in and of itself is not bad. It is a lack of morality, ethics and willingness to break laws that is bad here.

Altrusim can be just as evil.

Therefore selfishness was NOT the driving force behind those crimes. A lack of ethics and morality was.

Collectivist systems always create a vacuum of ethics and morality. Those are individual values, not group values. How can a corporation or a state have ethics and morality?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: razor2025
I'm curious, do you (joshsquall, Vic, Amused ) listen to Hannity and/or Boortz? Because your opinions seems to mimic them. As much as I dislike communism (I was born in PRC, so I already had my fun times with communists), it seems like the McCarthy-era communism scare is still prevalent in many poster's minds. Communism/Socialism isn't 100% flawed, nor our quasi-capitalistic-representative-republic 100% perfect.

I listen to neither.

I am a libertarian.

And Im sorry, communism IS 100% flawed, as is socialism. Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is the only workable system given human nature... and the ONLY system that preserves individual rights and freedoms.

Socialism and communism ALWAYS result in a loss of freedoms. Be they economic or social freedoms.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: razor2025
I'm curious, do you (joshsquall, Vic, Amused ) listen to Hannity and/or Boortz? Because your opinions seems to mimic them. As much as I dislike communism (I was born in PRC, so I already had my fun times with communists), it seems like the McCarthy-era communism scare is still prevalent in many poster's minds. Communism/Socialism isn't 100% flawed, nor our quasi-capitalistic-representative-republic 100% perfect.

No, I don't, and WTF you can't read. How could you possibly think that I'm saying our current system is "100% perfect" while I've been doing nothing but condemning it?
It's not just communism that is bad, it is all collectivist systems that place the value of the collective over that of the individuals.

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Vic

BLAH BLAH about communism again (not reading my posts)

But hey, keep whining your brainwashed garbage about the evil selfishness of individuals...

I've already stated multiple times, that simple lessons in sharing != communist propaganda.

I hope you keep the same attitude, when said "evil" real-estate developers condemns your personal property so they can buy it off cheaply as public land.

Wow... thanks for not even reading my post. :roll:

Tell me, how could a corporate collective of real estate developers manage to condemn my personal property without using the force and power of yet another collective (government/state)?

The doublethink is strong in this one. :disgust:

They don't need to use the government. If the collective have greater wealth and influence, they WILL AND CAN take your personal property away. Most likely, legally too. You lose in this one.

Do you need an example? Back in 50-70's in Hong Kong, triad/gangs were commonly used by "evil" real-estate developers to force the tenants to sign away their property, so they can re-develop it and market it to the booming upper class. They used domestic harassment and cries for help were unanswered as the police couldn't spread their resource to help them. Even in the US, real-estate developers will simply buy up parcels of land surrounding their "target" land and simply create havoc with your environment. Sooner or later, you will give up your land.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Vic

BLAH BLAH about communism again (not reading my posts)

But hey, keep whining your brainwashed garbage about the evil selfishness of individuals...

I've already stated multiple times, that simple lessons in sharing != communist propaganda.

I hope you keep the same attitude, when said "evil" real-estate developers condemns your personal property so they can buy it off cheaply as public land.

Wow... thanks for not even reading my post. :roll:

Tell me, how could a corporate collective of real estate developers manage to condemn my personal property without using the force and power of yet another collective (government/state)?

The doublethink is strong in this one. :disgust:

They don't need to use the government. If the collective have greater wealth and influence, they WILL AND CAN take your personal property away. Most likely, legally too. You lose in this one.

Do you need an example? Back in 50-70's in Hong Kong, triad/gangs were commonly used by "evil" real-estate developers to force the tenants to sign away their property, so they can re-develop it and market it to the booming upper class. They used domestic harassment and cries for help were unanswered as the police couldn't spread their resource to help them. Even in the US, real-estate developers will simply buy up parcels of land surrounding their "target" land and simply create havoc with your environment. Sooner or later, you will give up your land.

Irrelevant. No one here has advocated no laws or government. Quite the contrary, a government is needed to protect INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms from mobs, criminals and socialists who seek to take away your property and freedoms for their own selfish, or altruistic ends.

 

[Luthien]

It is called communism. Sorry didnt read others talking about communism.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Vic

BLAH BLAH about communism again (not reading my posts)

But hey, keep whining your brainwashed garbage about the evil selfishness of individuals...

I've already stated multiple times, that simple lessons in sharing != communist propaganda.

I hope you keep the same attitude, when said "evil" real-estate developers condemns your personal property so they can buy it off cheaply as public land.

Wow... thanks for not even reading my post. :roll:

Tell me, how could a corporate collective of real estate developers manage to condemn my personal property without using the force and power of yet another collective (government/state)?

The doublethink is strong in this one. :disgust:

They don't need to use the government. If the collective have greater wealth and influence, they WILL AND CAN take your personal property away. Most likely, legally too. You lose in this one.

Do you need an example? Back in 50-70's in Hong Kong, triad/gangs were commonly used by "evil" real-estate developers to force the tenants to sign away their property, so they can re-develop it and market it to the booming upper class. They used domestic harassment and cries for help were unanswered as the police couldn't spread their resource to help them. Even in the US, real-estate developers will simply buy up parcels of land surrounding their "target" land and simply create havoc with your environment. Sooner or later, you will give up your land.

Sigh... WTF do you think a collective is but a gang of thugs who use force?

I like how you said, "Most likely, legally too." That just proves you have no clue what's being discussed here and I'm just wasting my time with an idiot. WTF do you think the law is?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

1. For the love of Rock, stop making busted quotes.
2. In Soviet Seattle, Legos Own Y- Oh, someone made that joke already, carry on.

Originally posted by: Linflas
Teacher: Hey! Put that computer down, you can't just walk in here and take that!
Parent: But my son said that you taught him that private property was outdated and evil so I assumed that meant I could take this computer home for him to use.

3. :laugh:

- M4H

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025
I'm curious, do you (joshsquall, Vic, Amused ) listen to Hannity and/or Boortz? Because your opinions seems to mimic them. As much as I dislike communism (I was born in PRC, so I already had my fun times with communists), it seems like the McCarthy-era communism scare is still prevalent in many poster's minds. Communism/Socialism isn't 100% flawed, nor our quasi-capitalistic-representative-republic 100% perfect.

I listen to neither.

I am a libertarian.

And Im sorry, communism IS 100% flawed, as is socialism. Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is the only workable system given human nature... and the ONLY system that preserves individual rights and freedoms.

Socialism and communism ALWAYS result in a loss of freedoms. Be they economic or social freedoms.

Really? Do capitalism truly offer every individuals complete freedom irregardless of their status? I believe that every form of government has flaws and one is not better than the other. As much as capitalism looks great due to economic boom for the last 200 years, in a different time and environment, it might not be the ideal one.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: razor2025
I'm curious, do you (joshsquall, Vic, Amused ) listen to Hannity and/or Boortz? Because your opinions seems to mimic them. As much as I dislike communism (I was born in PRC, so I already had my fun times with communists), it seems like the McCarthy-era communism scare is still prevalent in many poster's minds. Communism/Socialism isn't 100% flawed, nor our quasi-capitalistic-representative-republic 100% perfect.

I listen to neither.

I am a libertarian.

And Im sorry, communism IS 100% flawed, as is socialism. Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is the only workable system given human nature... and the ONLY system that preserves individual rights and freedoms.

Socialism and communism ALWAYS result in a loss of freedoms. Be they economic or social freedoms.

:thumbsup:

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: Vic
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Sigh... WTF do you think a collective is but a gang of thugs who use force?

I like how you said, "Most likely, legally too." That just proves you have no clue what's being discussed here and I'm just wasting my time with an idiot. WTF do you think the law is?

Sigh.. you're really anal about definitions. Fine. Replace the gangs / agency with single individuals. If I have greater access to resources and wants YOUR property, I WILL have it if I didn't care for your well-being. I don't think you understand my original argument at all.

Regardless whether we live in anarchy or not, those who have the means and will to take your property, WILL do so. Got that? Is it moral to do so? Only you can decide, because it's darn near impossible to change anyone's moral views.