Teacher who used racial slur *as an example* quits job

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classy

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'll assume by your avoidance of the question you do in fact support "cleaning" literature.

Excuse me, I have to go don my white pointy hat and burn a cross.
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No. Its a word. A word that shouldn't be used by a teacher as a way to make examples. Please this ridculous bs you guys are shoveling is pathetic. Actually the only thing I regret about this, he didn't get jumped. :p

So you are hoping that guy would be physically abused, calling other people "mighty whity," and getting all pissed about that guy saying "awesome dude"?
It's a fvcking word. It's part of our culture cus the rappers can't stop calling each other "awesome dude" all the time. Anyways, it's much ado about less than nothing.

I used the possible enjoyment of him getting assaulted *as an example*. LOL :p God, I haven't had this much fun in awhile. :)
 

classy

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Originally posted by: luvly
You know, I can understand people arguing that getting NAACP involved was an overreaction. It's not a very strong argument, but it is sufficient. Nevertheless, I will never understand the attempts by individuals and posters here to actually portray this teacher as some saint. But most importantly, I won't understand the denial of this teacher's obvious unprofessionalism, direct abuse of an individual and inappropriate behaviour.

Feldenak, what's your point? I mean, what are you getting at? Are you trying to make a comparison of literature and personal attacks? Funny thing is this teacher was a computer teacher, not even an English teacher. I can imagine how much his die hard defenders are wishing he were an English teacher. But really, Feldenak, since when was personal attack by a computer science teacher perceived as literature. I surely haven't seen writers directly attacking individuals. Secondly, literature is an artwork. It also illustrates history. I may not like to read how society was 50 years ago, but it's a fact of life that I learn from literatures. It's no where comparable to someone presently directing it toward someone else in the pretense of driving in a message. As Classy said, "gay" is a word that can be found at this forum a 1000 times by even the biggest defenders of the teacher's conduct. Gay, in contrast to the word "n*gger", I should point out again, has not always had a disparaging meaning.

Woot there it is, boys. Holla if ya hear me or read my post. :D
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: luvly
You know, I can understand people arguing that getting NAACP involved was an overreaction. It's not a very strong argument, but it is sufficient. Nevertheless, I will never understand the attempts by individuals and posters here to actually portray this teacher as some saint. But most importantly, I won't understand the denial of this teacher's obvious unprofessionalism, direct abuse of an individual and inappropriate behaviour.

Feldenak, what's your point? I mean, what are you getting at? Are you trying to make a comparison of literature and personal attacks? Funny thing is this teacher was a computer teacher, not even an English teacher. I can imagine how much his die hard defenders are wishing he were an English teacher. But really, Feldenak, since when was personal attack by a computer teacher perceived as literature? I surely haven't seen writers directly attacking individuals. Secondly, literature is an artwork. It also illustrates history. I may not like to read how society was 50 years ago, but it's a fact of life that I learn from literatures. It's no where comparable to someone presently directing it toward someone else in the pretext of driving in a message. As Classy said, "gay" is a word that can be found at this forum a 1000 times by even the biggest defenders of the teacher's conduct. Gay, in contrast to the word "n*gger", I should point out again, has not always had a disparaging meaning.

"I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future."

Anyway I'm done with this thread...obviously if you take a view that doesn't match up with the current definition of what's politically correct you are obviously wrong and some sort of bigot.
 

QueHuong

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Originally posted by: SuperTool

Good riddens for him. Who wants to be in the classroom, underpaid, teaching some retards who don't appreciate your skills, and are more concerned with PC than learning some marketable skills.
Who is advancing the colored people? The NAACP which goes around enforcing PC rules, or a computer teacher who actually puts some things in their brains that maybe one day will get them a job?

You talk about marketable skills when a teacher makes an extremely crappy example to push a point? If you think the teacher can make those comments at work and not worry about lashbacks, then you're pretty naive. Hell yeah the NAACP is enforcing PC rules so kids will learn that they can't get away with statements like he did in a class or professional environment. If a black student was offended by his white boss who made a homophobic comment and decided to call him a cracker-ass beloved patriot to make a point, do you think the boss will tell them "oh, you're right, my bad." He'll fire his ass on the spot. And do you think if things went your way right now, the kid will be able to make the excuse that his teacher made a similar comment but it was ok because the teacher wasn't reprimended? Seriously, you can shut up now. The teacher made a stupid comment, then he quit on his own. I don't care to cry him a river.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: luvly
You know, I can understand people arguing that getting NAACP involved was an overreaction. It's not a very strong argument, but it is sufficient. Nevertheless, I will never understand the attempts by individuals and posters here to actually portray this teacher as some saint. But most importantly, I won't understand the denial of this teacher's obvious unprofessionalism, direct abuse of an individual and inappropriate behaviour.

Feldenak, what's your point? I mean, what are you getting at? Are you trying to make a comparison of literature and personal attacks? Funny thing is this teacher was a computer teacher, not even an English teacher. I can imagine how much his die hard defenders are wishing he were an English teacher. But really, Feldenak, since when was personal attack by a computer teacher perceived as literature? I surely haven't seen writers directly attacking individuals. Secondly, literature is an artwork. It also illustrates history. I may not like to read how society was 50 years ago, but it's a fact of life that I learn from literatures. It's no where comparable to someone presently directing it toward someone else in the pretext of driving in a message. As Classy said, "gay" is a word that can be found at this forum a 1000 times by even the biggest defenders of the teacher's conduct. Gay, in contrast to the word "n*gger", I should point out again, has not always had a disparaging meaning.

"I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future."

Anyway I'm done with this thread...obviously if you take a view that doesn't match up with the current definition of what's politically correct you are obviously wrong and some sort of bigot.

Just look ya. Just look at your sorry @ss. The lady put you in your place and now you wanna run and hide like a whipped dog. You just got knocked out Cold.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: MindStorm
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Good riddens for him. Who wants to be in the classroom, underpaid, teaching some retards who don't appreciate your skills, and are more concerned with PC than learning some marketable skills.
Who is advancing the colored people? The NAACP which goes around enforcing PC rules, or a computer teacher who actually puts some things in their brains that maybe one day will get them a job?

You talk about marketable skills when a teacher makes an extremely crappy example to push a point? If you think the teacher can make those comments at work and not worry about lashbacks, then you're pretty naive. Hell yeah the NAACP is enforcing PC rules so kids will learn that they can't get away with statements like he did in a class or professional environment. If a black student was offended by his white boss who made a homophobic comment and decided to call him a cracker-ass beloved patriot to make a point, do you think the boss will tell them "oh, you're right, my bad." He'll fire his ass on the spot. And do you think if things went your way right now, the kid will be able to make the excuse that his teacher made a similar comment but it was ok because the teacher wasn't reprimended? Seriously, you can shut up now. The teacher made a stupid comment, then he quit on his own. I don't care to cry him a river.

Man, I am going to keep quiet now. Maybe there is hope here :confused:
 

Feldenak

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Actually classy, I don't believe I ever defended the teacher; I simply attacked your statements (which IMO swing the pendulum to far in the other direction).

 

classy

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One last note, way to step up with some truth luvly and Mind Storm.
Peace
classical one out :)
 

thraashman

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No, it means Complaining. NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Complaining People

NO, NO. You've got it all wrong.

NAACP = National Association Against Caucasian People.
Because they got no problem with you unless you're white, and then you're the Devil.

One thing I never understood is why the only racial slurs that nobody finds offensive are the ones for white people.
It doesn't matter who it is, if they're black, white, asian, hispanic. If they call a white person a cracker or a honkey, no white person would ever get offended. But If I say n!gger, beloved patriot, beloved patriot, or beloved patriot. I'm a racist.

Sometimes I truly hate this country for all it's PC bullsh!t.

And while I'm at it screw the RIAA too.
 

SuperTool

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"Emanuels, a 15-year Microsoft employee before coming to the school's Infotech Academy to teach computer programming, had been on paid leave since May 9.
Good luck finding another 15-year experience computer programmer to teach there.
Well, I guess they came in to learn PC programming, and that's what they got, PC programming. :D
 

friedpie

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It used to be teachers were respected. Now they are like cops, underpaid and second guessed until they are marginalized.

I think the civil rights leadership has failed society (white and black). Black kids grow up emotionally crippled/handicapped because that is how the civil rights leaders make their money. As long as black folks believe they are victims and will always be victims, they will not live healthy lives.

Look how this one young black man reacted to what was supposed to be an intellectual challenge. He got violent and was emotionally crippled. It was a pavlovian reaction.

Bake Sale ends in violence

Several Bruin Republicans parodied affirmative action by selling Oreos, Twinkies and crackers for race-based prices on Bruin Walk on Wednesday, but they never meant it to end in chaos.

The "Affirmative Action Bake Sale, Reloaded," was a follow-up to a February sale put on by the same students, this time with emphasis on offensive stereotypes applied to minorities who oppose affirmative action.

Although the sale was obscured by a cement mixer for much of the morning, by early afternoon the table was surrounded by students ? some of them approving, many of them angry.

The debate grew heated as Bruin Walk filled at lunchtime, and ended abruptly as an angry student grabbed boxes of Oreos and crackers, spilled them on the ground, and tore down the banner cursing what he called "white privilege."

"The debate turned into a debacle," said David Witzling, a third-year political science student who was at the sale.

The event was meant to be a parody that would incite discussion, but it was not meant to be offensive, said Jonathan Cayton, one of the Bruin Republicans who organized the sale.

But many people were offended.

Nashaua Neao, a third-year political science and African American studies student, found the affirmative action bake sale "blatantly offensive and ignorant" and said the comparison of people to Oreos and Twinkies perpetuates racism.

"I just think it's sad to know that they think of us as people who got in here just for our race," said Ana Fernandez, a third-year political science student.

"We got the same grades and the same SAT scores, and they think that because I'm Latina I got an easier break," Fernandez said.

However, some students appreciated the Bruin Republicans' attempt to catalyze debate.

"Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, these individuals should be applauded for debating these issues," said Paul Marian, a first-year history and political science student.

And some found it amusing.

"Frankly, I think it's cute," said Chris Bailey, a fourth-year political science student.

"The minute you can laugh at all these labels, it's all good," Bailey said.

Until most of the sale's organizers withdrew after the angry student's outburst, they thought it was going well.

"We had people who supported affirmative action and people who opposed it come up and engage us, but it was ruined by a person's choice to resort to vandalism to prove his point," Cayton said.

Cayton also said the Twinkies and Oreos were sold to expose the social stigmas that are often attached to minorities who oppose affirmative action. He said some minorities might not bring up the issue for fear of being labeled as a Twinkie, or an Oreo, both derogatory names for a non-white person who acts in a manner traditionally associated with whites.

The sale's organizers were furious at its violent interruption.

"It's unacceptable and ridiculous that people would almost get into a physical confrontation rather than an intellectual debate," said Jon English, a first-year political science student.

Many students also found the outburst inappropriate. Organizers were angry with the crowd for not condemning the man's violent behavior, but many saw it as the inevitable outcome of what they saw as the sale's inflammatory nature.

Neao saw the disruption of the sale as the natural effect of taking an offensive approach to a social issue.

"It just proves that you shouldn't have heated debates with offensive signs. ... The minute you start doing ignorant things, something like this happens," he said.

Many other students felt that the debate was important, but that the affirmative action bake sale was an inappropriate way to approach it.

"We want to (debate) this in a formal setting where we can be diplomatic about it," said Kristie Hernandez, a third-year comparative literature student.

 

friedpie

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It used to be teachers were respected. Now they are like cops, underpaid and second guessed until they are marginalized.

I think the civil rights leadership has failed society (white and black). Black kids grow up emotionally crippled/handicapped because that is how the civil rights leaders make their money. As long as black folks believe they are victims and will always be victims, they will not live healthy lives.

Look how this one young black man reacted to what was supposed to be an intellectual challenge. He got violent and was emotionally crippled. It was a pavlovian reaction.

Bake Sale ends in violence

Several Bruin Republicans parodied affirmative action by selling Oreos, Twinkies and crackers for race-based prices on Bruin Walk on Wednesday, but they never meant it to end in chaos.

The "Affirmative Action Bake Sale, Reloaded," was a follow-up to a February sale put on by the same students, this time with emphasis on offensive stereotypes applied to minorities who oppose affirmative action.

Although the sale was obscured by a cement mixer for much of the morning, by early afternoon the table was surrounded by students ? some of them approving, many of them angry.

The debate grew heated as Bruin Walk filled at lunchtime, and ended abruptly as an angry student grabbed boxes of Oreos and crackers, spilled them on the ground, and tore down the banner cursing what he called "white privilege."

"The debate turned into a debacle," said David Witzling, a third-year political science student who was at the sale.

The event was meant to be a parody that would incite discussion, but it was not meant to be offensive, said Jonathan Cayton, one of the Bruin Republicans who organized the sale.

But many people were offended.

Nashaua Neao, a third-year political science and African American studies student, found the affirmative action bake sale "blatantly offensive and ignorant" and said the comparison of people to Oreos and Twinkies perpetuates racism.

"I just think it's sad to know that they think of us as people who got in here just for our race," said Ana Fernandez, a third-year political science student.

"We got the same grades and the same SAT scores, and they think that because I'm Latina I got an easier break," Fernandez said.

However, some students appreciated the Bruin Republicans' attempt to catalyze debate.

"Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, these individuals should be applauded for debating these issues," said Paul Marian, a first-year history and political science student.

And some found it amusing.

"Frankly, I think it's cute," said Chris Bailey, a fourth-year political science student.

"The minute you can laugh at all these labels, it's all good," Bailey said.

Until most of the sale's organizers withdrew after the angry student's outburst, they thought it was going well.

"We had people who supported affirmative action and people who opposed it come up and engage us, but it was ruined by a person's choice to resort to vandalism to prove his point," Cayton said.

Cayton also said the Twinkies and Oreos were sold to expose the social stigmas that are often attached to minorities who oppose affirmative action. He said some minorities might not bring up the issue for fear of being labeled as a Twinkie, or an Oreo, both derogatory names for a non-white person who acts in a manner traditionally associated with whites.

The sale's organizers were furious at its violent interruption.

"It's unacceptable and ridiculous that people would almost get into a physical confrontation rather than an intellectual debate," said Jon English, a first-year political science student.

Many students also found the outburst inappropriate. Organizers were angry with the crowd for not condemning the man's violent behavior, but many saw it as the inevitable outcome of what they saw as the sale's inflammatory nature.

Neao saw the disruption of the sale as the natural effect of taking an offensive approach to a social issue.

"It just proves that you shouldn't have heated debates with offensive signs. ... The minute you start doing ignorant things, something like this happens," he said.

Many other students felt that the debate was important, but that the affirmative action bake sale was an inappropriate way to approach it.

"We want to (debate) this in a formal setting where we can be diplomatic about it," said Kristie Hernandez, a third-year comparative literature student.

 

QueHuong

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"We got the same grades and the same SAT scores, and they think that because I'm Latina I got an easier break," Fernandez.

I agree with her. A black guy at my college has a 3.92 GPA in MECHANICAL ENGINEERING...I'm sure he is the valedictorian of his class right now; and with it being engineering, it's nothing short of spectacular. He's also doing premed, and when he gets into med school, people are going to snicker behind his back and say he got in with inferior stats because he's black. And if he's the type of guy who wants to let people know he was qualified (and I would say he's probably more qualified than most of the other students), then they're gonna label him an arrogant prick.
 

flxnimprtmscl

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: classy
I see the usual cross-burning is happening here, not surprised. But for anyone to try and remotely excuse or justify what this guy did is assinine. I could care less what two chinese people or two black people say to each other, this teacher was wrong. And you know what he's lucky that he said that to someone with more common sense and respect than him. If he said that to the wrong student and he got his ass whooped in front of the class he would have got what he deserved. It is clear he wanted to say this stuff anyway and he seen an opening so he tried to exploit it. Some white people, like here, try to be slick when they really are just using an "innocent" discussion to say "racial slurs as examples" because they are to afraid to say them bluntly. God, such a haven here.

I would imagine from your post that you are also one of those in favor of "scrubbing" books & literature clean to eliminate any potential offensive words (ie. n!gger from Twain). Bah!

LOL I just luv it here. I can't believe all the mighty whitey support that this pos teacher is getting. He clearly went overboard. Its amazing how none of you have yet to say, hmmm why couldn't he have used a different example or better yet a different word. If I ran a search of this board I would find the word gay hundreds of times used just as these kids used it. But oh no, the great white hope decides to start calling kids n!ggers as "examples". LOL Give me f'in break. Just when I think some of the peeps here can't go no lower, to my surprise they find another level, a few hundred feet lower than the last.

I think you're a bit confused. He did not call the student a n*gger but rather asked how would you like it if you were called that. There's a distinct difference that you're failing to recognize. I frankly, think you're foolish. You're advocating violence against a teacher who used six letters in an way that appears, on the surface, not to have been malicious in intent. I can't speak to the tone he used or his personal thoughts but stricly looking at what he said it doesn't seem intended to harm in the same way it would be if he'd said something like "alight, you call people gay and I'll just call you a n*gger.". Again, try looking at the context instead of just the words. Granted, in todays hyper-sensitive climate it might not have been the wisest idea to use that term in any context but I don't think it warrants the reaction it's getting. It certainly wouldn't warrant physical violence like you're foolishly trying to say it should.

Frankly the fact that you would support violence over a few words shows your true colors and makes you the farthest thing from credible. Perhaps we should completely abandon self control and drop the gloves every time someone says something that offends us? Great plan. Not to mention the fact that in case you haven't noticed sever violence in schools is a real problem these days. I think your comment is insensitive to all the teachers and students who have lost their lives at the hands of other students who resorted to violence after being treated a certain way. I think in light of your insensitive comments to the dead you should be banned from these boards
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Perhaps now you see how stupid your argument is?
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: luvly
You know, I can understand people arguing that getting NAACP involved was an overreaction. It's not a very strong argument, but it is sufficient. Nevertheless, I will never understand the attempts by individuals and posters here to actually portray this teacher as some saint. But most importantly, I won't understand the denial of this teacher's obvious unprofessionalism, direct abuse of an individual and inappropriate behaviour.

Feldenak, what's your point? I mean, what are you getting at? Are you trying to make a comparison of literature and personal attacks? Funny thing is this teacher was a computer teacher, not even an English teacher. I can imagine how much his die hard defenders are wishing he were an English teacher. But really, Feldenak, since when was personal attack by a computer teacher perceived as literature? I surely haven't seen writers directly attacking individuals. Secondly, literature is an artwork. It also illustrates history. I may not like to read how society was 50 years ago, but it's a fact of life that I learn from literatures. It's no where comparable to someone presently directing it toward someone else in the pretext of driving in a message. As Classy said, "gay" is a word that can be found at this forum a 1000 times by even the biggest defenders of the teacher's conduct. Gay, in contrast to the word "n*gger", I should point out again, has not always had a disparaging meaning.

"I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future."

Anyway I'm done with this thread...obviously if you take a view that doesn't match up with the current definition of what's politically correct you are obviously wrong and some sort of bigot.

Just look ya. Just look at your sorry @ss. The lady put you in your place and now you wanna run and hide like a whipped dog. You just got knocked out Cold.

She did? Not only are you a racist, you can't read either!
 

Moonbeam

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I really miss the good old days when you could openly hate and malign anybody you wanted to. Any slur that called somebody a slur would get slurred real fast. Why is everybody so down on hate. Living your life under intense hatred builds character.