I hate the NAACP, all they are looking for is attention, and everytime a black is not selected over a white, its racist, and thats the only reason.
It makes me wonder if the student didn't hit a nerve with the teacher or something. I mean, he sure made a big deal out of it. There may be something hidden a little deeper here. hmm...
So basically, the mother failed to teach her child proper behavior, and now because of one lesson in slurs, he's lost all his self-confidence? She must really be a failure as a parent.
Carl Mack has demonstrated idiocy worthy of PETA.
You don't have to homosexual to think it's wrong to call things "gay" as a derogatory term. You don't have to be an African American to be offended by the word "n*gger".
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In all fairness, the students paint a pretty different picture about what happened than the teacher does. I think the NAACP is overreacting (it seems to be in their charter to do so), but, if true, this account does sound pretty foolish on the teacher's part:
The student] said the two argued a few minutes about the use of the term "gay," and then Emanuels became irate.
"He told me, 'It's like me saying (slur). How would you like me to call you a (slur)?' I said, 'What do you mean?' and he told me, 'If you say 'gay' then I can say (slur). All right (slur).' "
"Before I got into the class I heard him say (slur), and the whole class was looking at me and I didn't know why. I was like, 'What's going on?' "
Another student in the same class gave his account of Emanuels' return to the classroom:
"Mr. Emanuels came in and he said, 'All right, class, the (slur) is going to come into the class now.' At first people were just looking at him in shock."
The student said Emanuels then told the class that "For you to use the term 'gay' is like me to say 'these damn (slur)' if I was mad about something. How would you like it if I walked down the halls and said, 'Damn (slur). I hate (slur).' "
The student] said the two argued a few minutes about the use of the term "gay," and then Emanuels became irate.
"He told me, 'It's like me saying (slur). How would you like me to call you a (slur)?' I said, 'What do you mean?' and he told me, 'If you say 'gay' then I can say (slur). All right (slur).' "
"Before I got into the class I heard him say (slur), and the whole class was looking at me and I didn't know why. I was like, 'What's going on?' "
Another student in the same class gave his account of Emanuels' return to the classroom:
"Mr. Emanuels came in and he said, 'All right, class, the (slur) is going to come into the class now.' At first people were just looking at him in shock."
The student said Emanuels then told the class that "For you to use the term 'gay' is like me to say 'these damn (slur)' if I was mad about something. How would you like it if I walked down the halls and said, 'Damn (slur). I hate (slur).' "
Thanks so much Don Vito for posting the other side of the story.
I think that people are overlooking the theme of this story: The teacher is an unfit teacher. He's an idiot in other words. Without regards to how affected the student was, the teacher has proven to have no patience with his students. He's also proven to be so childish. There's supposed to be a distinction between teachers and students. If he can't be a teacher, then he doesn't belong there. His character makes me suspicious that he's the kind of person that secretly verbally abuses people. So I do think that the District should have fired him.
I shall rest my case with the following: "The resignation came as district officials confirmed Emanuels had had another run-in with students the same day."
Hello! Why are most of you failing to recognise the teacher's character? He sure as hell wouldn't have another run-in if he were such angelic teacher as some of you are trying to make him look. And frankly, "n*gger" is not comparable to "gay". "Gay" has not always been associated with "homosexual". In fact, it had a great meaning, "happy". Sometimes I wonder if it really is why the word was kidnapped. I do think that using it to mean "lame" is stupid, but it's more ridiculous to compare that with "n*gger", which had meaning beyond abstract. N*gger also meant ages of physical and psychological torture. Yes, young Black kids seem to use it indiscrimately, but I doubt the older Blacks really appreciate it. But then again, to desensitise a word, one should use it indiscriminately so that it hardly means anything anymore. At the end, the teacher is extremely stupid and deserved to be fired (good thing he left) for lack of maturity and stooping to the level of grade school students. That in itself is a huge offence in my book. He'll do better in the office environment.
I think that people are overlooking the theme of this story: The teacher is an unfit teacher. He's an idiot in other words. Without regards to how affected the student was, the teacher has proven to have no patience with his students. He's also proven to be so childish. There's supposed to be a distinction between teachers and students. If he can't be a teacher, then he doesn't belong there. His character makes me suspicious that he's the kind of person that secretly verbally abuses people. So I do think that the District should have fired him.
I shall rest my case with the following: "The resignation came as district officials confirmed Emanuels had had another run-in with students the same day."
Hello! Why are most of you failing to recognise the teacher's character? He sure as hell wouldn't have another run-in if he were such angelic teacher as some of you are trying to make him look. And frankly, "n*gger" is not comparable to "gay". "Gay" has not always been associated with "homosexual". In fact, it had a great meaning, "happy". Sometimes I wonder if it really is why the word was kidnapped. I do think that using it to mean "lame" is stupid, but it's more ridiculous to compare that with "n*gger", which had meaning beyond abstract. N*gger also meant ages of physical and psychological torture. Yes, young Black kids seem to use it indiscrimately, but I doubt the older Blacks really appreciate it. But then again, to desensitise a word, one should use it indiscriminately so that it hardly means anything anymore. At the end, the teacher is extremely stupid and deserved to be fired (good thing he left) for lack of maturity and stooping to the level of grade school students. That in itself is a huge offence in my book. He'll do better in the office environment.
In no other country are they so critical and so willing to rip down another person for being politically incorrect. This country is eating itself from the inside out.
Here, if you don't like what the teacher has to say, get him fired. Or, if you don't like how your parents are raising you, file a lawsuit against them. The problem stems from letting minority groups control majority groups. Doing this ensures that most people will get the short end of the stick. It should be the other way around. You can't satisfy everybody, but if you had the choice between satisfying the majority or the minority, go for the majority. It sucks when a very vocal minority holds the vast majority of the population hostage.
Here, if you don't like what the teacher has to say, get him fired. Or, if you don't like how your parents are raising you, file a lawsuit against them. The problem stems from letting minority groups control majority groups. Doing this ensures that most people will get the short end of the stick. It should be the other way around. You can't satisfy everybody, but if you had the choice between satisfying the majority or the minority, go for the majority. It sucks when a very vocal minority holds the vast majority of the population hostage.
No, MarshallJ, you're missing the point. This is beyond being politically incorrect. The teacher didn't just have an opinion, he attacked a student. The student didn't attack a particular individual--in spite of the childishness in his language, but the teacher did attack him directly. There's a huge difference. To whom much is given, much is expected. Much power and monetary compensation is vested in the teacher, so much maturity and discipline is expected of him. You don't personally attack someone to demonstrate a point. And above all, his analogy was so weak and dumb. He used an extreme case of language usage to compare with a milder meaning with a different etymology. If you read the etymology of "n*gger", it would be very different from the etymology of "gay". Maybe the teacher should have sticked with what he knew better: computers. The logic of computers is not the same as the logic of human beings. He's too geeky to understand the etymology of the English vocabularies, I guess. 
So to desisitize a word, you need to use it indescriminately, but you need to punish those who use it? Great logic...
Originally posted by: luvly
No, MarshallJ, you're missing the point. This is beyond being politically incorrect. The teacher didn't just have an opinion, he attacked a student. The student didn't attack a particular individual--in spite of the childishness in his language, but the teacher did attack him directly. There's a huge difference. To whom much is given, much is expected. Much power and monetary compensation is vested in the teacher, so much maturity and discipline is expected of him. You don't personally attack someone to demonstrate a point. And above all, his analogy was so weak and dumb. He used an extreme case of language usage to compare with a milder meaning with a different etymology. If you read the etymology of "n*gger", it would be very different from the etymology of "gay". Maybe the teacher should have sticked with what he knew better: computers. The logic of computers is not the same as the logic of human beings. He's too geeky to understand the etymology of the English vocabularies, I guess.
I think you are missing the point. He's teaching them a lesson, one that they'd understand. You may be able to detect subtle hints, but they probably can't. I went to school in a pretty ghetto area and everything about that ghetto lifestyle is crude. You aren't able to make subtle points and have them understand it. They wouldn't get a point unless it hit them in the face.
No, I'm not endorsing it, Mr. Smarty Pants. I mean if anyone uses it, it's those who are the target of the use of the language. If they use it a lot to desensitise it, I can understand. It isn't the same as people who originally started it using it on the original targets. I can also understand if people who originally started it using it on themselves. Let me give an example so you understand: Say I started calling you "bad a**", and it really hurt you so bad. Then as time went on I started to use it on myself, then you might start to think less of the word. And if you used it on yourself, then you would feel less of the negative connotation. But if I maintained usage of the word and made it an exclusive word used toward you, then the meaning would remain the same.
As I said, that's a moot point since the teacher directed it toward the student. The student didn't direct the word "gay" toward the teacher or any particular individuals, in spite of how childish he was in describing his homework as "gay".
As I said, that's a moot point since the teacher directed it toward the student. The student didn't direct the word "gay" toward the teacher or any particular individuals, in spite of how childish he was in describing his homework as "gay".
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I don't think the fact, if true, that the school was in a "ghetto" neighborhood mitigates what the teacher said. If anything, he needed to be cognizant of that and be more careful in choosing his words. The whole thing sounds like a temper tantrum by the teacher, and if he can't stand the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen. I'm not sure this is a case of political correctness - the teacher sounds like he may simply not be cut out for that profession.
The other component to this is that I don't really think "gay" is analogous to "n*gger" - the word "gay" is not, in and of itself, a slur, and I think the teacher was overreacting. I think I get his point, but his conduct and choice of language was pretty stupid IMO.
The other component to this is that I don't really think "gay" is analogous to "n*gger" - the word "gay" is not, in and of itself, a slur, and I think the teacher was overreacting. I think I get his point, but his conduct and choice of language was pretty stupid IMO.
Yes, but don't you see the other side? You are taking children's words for what happened. They all have the tendency to exaggerate and lie to exacerbate a situation. I feel we should trust the teacher a tad more than kids. I don't really think what he did was inappropriate. Sure, he should not have lost his temper(if he did), but then again he did show a great example. Both words can be offensive depending on the person or party. Although there is not a word in the English language that is offensive to me, some people show great disdain for a WORD. When did we all become such entomological experts? A word is a word. People need to stop attaching more power to a word than is already there.
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This is retarded. It's getting to the point where people are arguing what constitutes a slur. Well guess what? It isn't up to you or me. It's up to every person to make their own determination on wether or not it is a slur to them. Guess what? I can sit here with one of my (straight) buddys, say something is "gay" in the same derrogatory manor that the kids did, and he wouldn't care. Now if I did the same to someone I knew that was a homosexual??? Same thing can be applied to the N word. Obviously some kids/people are immune to it and call people they know the N word on a daily basis. Others will throw a shyt fit if it's even referenced to.
Was the teacher wrong in what he said? First off, you have to decide if this teacher is telling the truth or if the kids are. On one hand, you have a teacher trying to teach a lesson about using potentially derrogatory words in a demeaning way. On the other hand, you have a bunch of kids that see an opportunity to get a teacher busted. Only people that know the exact dialogue that was said was the teacher, and the kids.
You cant be racist to your own race... if so, I'd be sued for all the comments I make about brown people. haha
I should be able to use the word 'colored' in reference to people, though, right? I mean, it's in their name. NAACP. Right?
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