Teacher who used racial slur *as an example* quits job

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Spyro

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
So, if Mr. Emmanuels was black, would we have this thread to post in right now???

No. Black people cannot be racist according to the NAACP.

I hate threads like this. I dislike the NAACP. And I get tired of hearing about this same old thing. Guess what? Racists come in all colors. Black, white, red, yellow, blue, indigo, and pink. Deal with it. This is an unfortunate incident, but it certainly isn't isolated.
 

classy

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This guy was way out of line. You don't pick a strong racial slur to drive home a point. Give me a break. The word gay is purely a slang term with a meaning outside of adressing homosexuals. And he didn't get fired and even had another run in with another student.


"He said it was very inappropriate to say 'gay' in class. I said I didn't know it was inappropriate. I say it all the time. This is the first time you are telling me I couldn't use it," the student recalled. (The students interviewed are not being named, at the request of their parents.)

He said the two argued a few minutes about the use of the term "gay," and then Emanuels became irate.

"He told me, 'It's like me saying (slur). How would you like me to call you a (slur)?' I said, 'What do you mean?' and he told me, 'If you say 'gay' then I can say (slur). All right (slur).' "

"Before I got into the class I heard him say (slur), and the whole class was looking at me and I didn't know why. I was like, 'What's going on?' "

Another student in the same class gave his account of Emanuels' return to the classroom:

"Mr. Emanuels came in and he said, 'All right, class, the (slur) is going to come into the class now.' At first people were just looking at him in shock."

The student said Emanuels then told the class that "For you to use the term 'gay' is like me to say 'these damn (slur)' if I was mad about something. How would you like it if I walked down the halls and said, 'Damn (slur). I hate (slur).' "

The student said he demanded Emanuels apologize to the class and to the student he had singled out.

Steinberg said the district was informed of the incident by Cleveland High School officials May 7.

In the second class, according to two students who were there, one student also used "gay" to describe an assignment.

After another student used the term, students say, Emanuels responded much as he had in the first class.

One student recalled Emanuels saying, " 'This is like saying this is so black or so Jew or so (slur)ish.' He said (using gay in that way) is like saying black is ugly. We were all thinking, what's this guy's problem? But he kept on going."

The mother of the student taken out of the first class said, "As a parent, I work hard to make him love himself and be confident in everything he does, and for someone to tear down all the work it's taken 16 years to instill in him, it's hard."

This guy was wrong. Plain and simple.

 

Marshallj

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Originally posted by: Spyro
Guess what? Racists come in all colors. Black, white, red, yellow, blue, indigo, and pink. Deal with it.

I call "bullshit".

Show me an indigo racist.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: AvesPKS
I should be able to use the word 'colored' in reference to people, though, right? I mean, it's in their name. NAACP. Right?

No, it means Complaining. NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Complaining People.
 

flxnimprtmscl

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Originally posted by: classy
The word gay is purely a slang term with a meaning outside of adressing homosexuals.

So when one black person refers to another with that term it isn't a slang term but is racist in it's intent? Also the word "gay" is always a slang term? I really doubt anyone's buying that. I'm longing for the day when people will grow up and realize that words themselves are meaningless and it's the context in which they're used that can be harmful. Sadly I doubt we'll ever see that day though :(
 

TerryMathews

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Having just gradiated :) from HS not to long ago, I would first like to say that the second incident might never have happened. The way that information moves throughout the school, it not unlikely that the second class heard about the first and thought 'Hey, that's a great way to get out of class! We're traumatized too.' Even though nothing actually happened or was not nearly as bad.

Second, gay is a slur, and should not be considered any different than n!gger. Slurs are slurs, designed to degrade someone. The word is not the important part. There are some parts of Alabama, so called the 'deep south' where n!gger is not considered to be the racial slur that it is here in the north. It's not polite language for us young folk, but it's accepted for older people to talk of colored/black/African American people that way.

It's not the word, it's how you say it. I can say African American with as much hatred dripping in my voice as I can n!gger. Rarely is the word itself offensive. It's how the word is used.
 

FuZoR

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lol slurs slurs slurs, My 10 year old cousin asked me why people calling him beloved patriot is fine and him callling them wops, Beaners, beloved patriot, whitebread is all fine and dandy but when you say n!gger its diffrent.... after my laughing died down i just told him its just the way our society were brought up that word is sinful and what not.

/me strugs
 

AvesPKS

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
I should be able to use the word 'colored' in reference to people, though, right? I mean, it's in their name. NAACP. Right?

No, it means Complaining. NAACP = National Association for the Advancement of Complaining People.

Hehe. Man, I gotta start complaining to get my piece of the pie! :)
 

SuperTool

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Man, these niggas never tell you what the slur is. You know what I am saying? ;)
They just say "{slur}." How's a awesome dude to know what that means? :D
 

classy

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I see the usual cross-burning is happening here, not surprised. But for anyone to try and remotely excuse or justify what this guy did is assinine. I could care less what two chinese people or two black people say to each other, this teacher was wrong. And you know what he's lucky that he said that to someone with more common sense and respect than him. If he said that to the wrong student and he got his ass whooped in front of the class he would have got what he deserved. It is clear he wanted to say this stuff anyway and he seen an opening so he tried to exploit it. Some white people, like here, try to be slick when they really are just using an "innocent" discussion to say "racial slurs as examples" because they are to afraid to say them bluntly. God, such a haven here.
 

SuperTool

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I hope NAACP is happy. I am sure colored people are getting plenty advanced by not having a computer teacher. The guy is giving up private sector wages to teach, and he gets chewed up and spat out by the NAACP for saying something he shouldn't have.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I hope NAACP is happy. I am sure colored people are getting plenty advanced by not having a computer teacher. The guy is giving up private sector wages to teach, and he gets chewed up and spat out by the NAACP for saying something he shouldn't have.


He quit, no one fired him. Good riddens. I just don't how anyone can read that article and blame anyone else except him and his sorry self.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I hope NAACP is happy. I am sure colored people are getting plenty advanced by not having a computer teacher. The guy is giving up private sector wages to teach, and he gets chewed up and spat out by the NAACP for saying something he shouldn't have.


He quit, no one fired him. Good riddens. I just don't how anyone can read that article and blame anyone else except him and his sorry self.

Good riddens for him. Who wants to be in the classroom, underpaid, teaching some retards who don't appreciate your skills, and are more concerned with PC than learning some marketable skills.
Who is advancing the colored people? The NAACP which goes around enforcing PC rules, or a computer teacher who actually puts some things in their brains that maybe one day will get them a job?
 

classy

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I hope NAACP is happy. I am sure colored people are getting plenty advanced by not having a computer teacher. The guy is giving up private sector wages to teach, and he gets chewed up and spat out by the NAACP for saying something he shouldn't have.


He quit, no one fired him. Good riddens. I just don't how anyone can read that article and blame anyone else except him and his sorry self.

Good riddens for him. Who wants to be in the classroom, underpaid, teaching some retards who don't appreciate your skills, and are more concerned with PC than learning some marketable skills.
Who is advancing the colored people? The NAACP which goes around enforcing PC rules, or a computer teacher who actually puts some things in their brains that maybe one day will get them a job?

Hahahahaha, your a fool.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I hope NAACP is happy. I am sure colored people are getting plenty advanced by not having a computer teacher. The guy is giving up private sector wages to teach, and he gets chewed up and spat out by the NAACP for saying something he shouldn't have.


He quit, no one fired him. Good riddens. I just don't how anyone can read that article and blame anyone else except him and his sorry self.

Good riddens for him. Who wants to be in the classroom, underpaid, teaching some retards who don't appreciate your skills, and are more concerned with PC than learning some marketable skills.
Who is advancing the colored people? The NAACP which goes around enforcing PC rules, or a computer teacher who actually puts some things in their brains that maybe one day will get them a job?

Hahahahaha, your a fool.

Why, because I preffer a non-PC computer teacher to no computer teacher? If that makes me a fool, I am as foolish as they come.
 

Cyberian

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Originally posted by: classy
This guy was way out of line. You don't pick a strong racial slur to drive home a point. Give me a break. The word gay is purely a slang term with a meaning outside of adressing homosexuals. And he didn't get fired and even had another run in with another student.
This guy was wrong. Plain and simple.
You've been away for a while, Classy, but you haven't changed any.
Good to see you back - how's the wife and kids?

 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: classy
I see the usual cross-burning is happening here, not surprised. But for anyone to try and remotely excuse or justify what this guy did is assinine. I could care less what two chinese people or two black people say to each other, this teacher was wrong. And you know what he's lucky that he said that to someone with more common sense and respect than him. If he said that to the wrong student and he got his ass whooped in front of the class he would have got what he deserved. It is clear he wanted to say this stuff anyway and he seen an opening so he tried to exploit it. Some white people, like here, try to be slick when they really are just using an "innocent" discussion to say "racial slurs as examples" because they are to afraid to say them bluntly. God, such a haven here.

I would imagine from your post that you are also one of those in favor of "scrubbing" books & literature clean to eliminate any potential offensive words (ie. n!gger from Twain). Bah!
 

classy

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Originally posted by: Cyberian
Originally posted by: classy
This guy was way out of line. You don't pick a strong racial slur to drive home a point. Give me a break. The word gay is purely a slang term with a meaning outside of adressing homosexuals. And he didn't get fired and even had another run in with another student.
This guy was wrong. Plain and simple.
You've been away for a while, Classy, but you haven't changed any.
Good to see you back - how's the wife and kids?

They are doing quite fine. Thank You. I been around. Just don't argue as much. Can't win anyway. A voice of reason is not heard among the thousands who are wrong. Oh well. I swear this board attracts of like mind. Unbelievable.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: classy
I see the usual cross-burning is happening here, not surprised. But for anyone to try and remotely excuse or justify what this guy did is assinine. I could care less what two chinese people or two black people say to each other, this teacher was wrong. And you know what he's lucky that he said that to someone with more common sense and respect than him. If he said that to the wrong student and he got his ass whooped in front of the class he would have got what he deserved. It is clear he wanted to say this stuff anyway and he seen an opening so he tried to exploit it. Some white people, like here, try to be slick when they really are just using an "innocent" discussion to say "racial slurs as examples" because they are to afraid to say them bluntly. God, such a haven here.

I would imagine from your post that you are also one of those in favor of "scrubbing" books & literature clean to eliminate any potential offensive words (ie. n!gger from Twain). Bah!

LOL I just luv it here. I can't believe all the mighty whitey support that this pos teacher is getting. He clearly went overboard. Its amazing how none of you have yet to say, hmmm why couldn't he have used a different example or better yet a different word. If I ran a search of this board I would find the word gay hundreds of times used just as these kids used it. But oh no, the great white hope decides to start calling kids n!ggers as "examples". LOL Give me f'in break. Just when I think some of the peeps here can't go no lower, to my surprise they find another level, a few hundred feet lower than the last.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: classy
I see the usual cross-burning is happening here, not surprised. But for anyone to try and remotely excuse or justify what this guy did is assinine. I could care less what two chinese people or two black people say to each other, this teacher was wrong. And you know what he's lucky that he said that to someone with more common sense and respect than him. If he said that to the wrong student and he got his ass whooped in front of the class he would have got what he deserved. It is clear he wanted to say this stuff anyway and he seen an opening so he tried to exploit it. Some white people, like here, try to be slick when they really are just using an "innocent" discussion to say "racial slurs as examples" because they are to afraid to say them bluntly. God, such a haven here.

I would imagine from your post that you are also one of those in favor of "scrubbing" books & literature clean to eliminate any potential offensive words (ie. n!gger from Twain). Bah!

LOL I just luv it here. I can't believe all the mighty whitey support that this pos teacher is getting. He clearly went overboard. Its amazing how none of you have yet to say, hmmm why couldn't he have used a different example or better yet a different word. If I ran a search of this board I would find the word gay hundreds of times used just as these kids used it. But oh no, the great white hope decides to start calling kids n!ggers as "examples". LOL Give me f'in break. Just when I think some of the peeps here can't go no lower, to my surprise they find another level, a few hundred feet lower than the last.

I'll assume by your avoidance of the question you do in fact support "cleaning" literature.

Excuse me, I have to go don my white pointy hat and burn a cross.
rolleye.gif
 

classy

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'll assume by your avoidance of the question you do in fact support "cleaning" literature.

Excuse me, I have to go don my white pointy hat and burn a cross.
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No. Its a word. A word that shouldn't be used by a teacher as a way to make examples. Please this ridculous bs you guys are shoveling is pathetic. Actually the only thing I regret about this, he didn't get jumped. :p

 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'll assume by your avoidance of the question you do in fact support "cleaning" literature.

Excuse me, I have to go don my white pointy hat and burn a cross.
rolleye.gif



No. Its a word. A word that shouldn't be used by a teacher as a way to make examples. Please this ridculous bs you guys are shoveling is pathetic. Actually the only thing I regret about this, he didn't get jumped. :p

So you are hoping that guy would be physically abused, calling other people "mighty whity," and getting all pissed about that guy saying "awesome dude"?
It's a fvcking word. It's part of our culture cus the rappers can't stop calling each other "awesome dude" all the time. Anyways, it's much ado about less than nothing.
 

You know, I can understand people arguing that getting NAACP involved was an overreaction. It's not a very strong argument, but it is sufficient. Nevertheless, I will never understand the attempts by individuals and posters here to actually portray this teacher as some saint. But most importantly, I won't understand the denial of this teacher's obvious unprofessionalism, direct abuse of an individual and inappropriate behaviour.

Feldenak, what's your point? I mean, what are you getting at? Are you trying to make a comparison of literature and personal attacks? Funny thing is this teacher was a computer teacher, not even an English teacher. I can imagine how much his die hard defenders are wishing he were an English teacher. But really, Feldenak, since when was personal attack by a computer teacher perceived as literature? I surely haven't seen writers directly attacking individuals. Secondly, literature is an artwork. It also illustrates history. I may not like to read how society was 50 years ago, but it's a fact of life that I learn from literatures. It's no where comparable to someone presently directing it toward someone else in the pretext of driving in a message. As Classy said, "gay" is a word that can be found at this forum a 1000 times by even the biggest defenders of the teacher's conduct. Gay, in contrast to the word "n*gger", I should point out again, has not always had a disparaging meaning.