Tbh you should cook your meat only sparingly(raw omnivour)

[lxskllr]

Sushi's the only meat I eat raw. Otherwise, I like meat cooked til it has crispy charred edges. Well done, then a bit more for good measure.

 

[WelshBloke]

this is the fear mongering im talking about. As long as the meat is fresh, It's better than if you cooked it and made it carcinogenic

Post a video of you eating a raw chicken.

 

[sdifox]

Meat should be eaten raw the majority of the times. Some Bacteria is actually helpful for your body. So much fear mongering about eating raw meat. Jeez, it's the most natural way of eating. Destroying your food by cooking it destroys enzymes and other valueble properties

I've started downing raw eggs. Next time I get a ribyeye, gonna dip it in yum yum sauce or soysauce, completely raw. Organs need to be organic tho. Muscle can be non organic

I expect to see my health improve

Good luck.

 

[skull]

The whole raw thing is natural for humans is bullshit. We evolved into humans because our ancestors started cooking our food. Cooking our food made it easier for our bodies to digest thus we used less energy digesting food and made it easier for our bodies to absorb the nutrients. This lead to being able to consume enough calories and nutrients to grow and feed our big human brains. The human brain needs a shit ton of energy compared to other creatures brains we can't feed it enough on raw food.

That said I love me a good rare steak.

 

[ponyo]

Oh right, forgot the other meat you can eat raw. But like land animals, it isn't true for every species in the water. Also, nope. Not for me! I don't like most fish anyway lol

I've eaten lot of raw things. Pretty much any ocean food I've caught or if it's sold at the wholesale seafood market, I've eaten raw. It doesn't matter if it's fish, shellfish, mollusk, or some other ocean creature. I probably ate it raw. And my dad used to give me raw eggs to eat when I was a kid. So I've had my fair share of raw eggs while growing up. I've had raw beef too. From steak tartare to yukhoe. I prefer yukhoe to tartare because of the I prefer chewier texture. Steak tartare is usually made by grounding the meat. So it has finer texture and constancy. Yukhoe is thinly julienned so it retains much of the chewiness and texture and feels like you're chewing on raw meat. Both tartare and yukhoe are usually served with raw egg yolk.

This is beef yukhoe. It's highly regulated by law and must be made with less than 1 day old slaughtered beef. Unless you grow and slaughter cows yourself, you're not going to find less than 1 day old beef in the US. We don't even have beef ID system in the US with the age of the beef animal of origin, supplier, distributor, the beef's grade, and butchering date and originating butchery.

 

[snoopy7548]

Nothing better than a good rare steak. Sometimes when I'm grilling I'll buy a thick-cut steak and just sear it for a couple of minutes on each side. If I'm out to eat I'll usually order rare or medium rare.

I've always wanted to try beef tartare. If I'm ever in a nice restaurant that serves it, I'll definitely order it.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Some people from the UK, recently tried (very likely unintentionally), eating raw meat with poor hygiene.
Sadly, they died...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-45332320

'Raw' food and 'illness' at Egypt hotel where couple died

Meat was "undercooked" and hygiene was "a disgrace" at an Egyptian hotel where a British couple died, a woman who fell ill at the resort said.

Hotel guests have been returning to the UK after John Cooper, 69, and his wife Susan, 63, died in Hurghada last week.

Alison Cope stayed at the Steigenberger Aqua Magic at the same time as the couple and said "many people were ill".

Maybe eating poorly cooked (under-cooked) food can be worse than pure raw food. Because the heat can make the bacteria multiply. But I'm NOT an expert, and just making educated guesses.

 

[richaron]

I was raised by a somewhat "eccentric" pathologist. And knowing they love/care for me as much as possible their advice was still far from the nanny state regurgitations that medical professionals must follow to keep their license. Eating fresh raw meat would be well down their list of concerns. They still happily eat old cheese chopping off most of the mould, cook meat most of us would consider past gone, and allow toddlers to put funky stuff into their mouths knowing there's a cost/reward scenario at stake.

It's easy to judge them as lazy or cheap but their knowledge of the pathogens involved, the affect of cooking them, and the functions of the body's immune system means they were still happy to nom down on stuff most of us would turn down.

In fact I've seen plenty of studies linking stuff like allergies, asthma, and eczema to "healthy" exposure to pathogens as a child. And I think the benefits of a a robust "healthy" immune system goes well past this, to the point where our obsession with cleanliness is harming us in wide variety of unforeseen ways. And the modern health material wont even touch the subject that raw meat can be perfectly healthy and delicious/nutritious without toeing some line about cooking times..

 

[PJFrylar]

I was going to bring up how important cooking meat making it safer to consume more calories aided the development of our species, but it looks like that's been covered. I don't know what the obsession is with undoing the things that got us to where we are is. I like a medium rare steak as much as the next guy, but I'm not about to eat raw ground beef.

 

[Ichinisan]

Cave men didn't live long. They lived longer when they started cooking their meat. Sure, they probably had to eat a lot more of the cooked meat to get adequate nutrients, but eating meat was less of a gamble when it was cooked.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I tried sushi once when I was out of town a while back. But nope not for me. We have 2 sushi places here now. I guess it's all the rage but not my thing. Funny enough when I look at it, I find it LOOKS good, but I don't like the taste. That's kind of my view on steak too, I find it looks good, especially when you get the nice char marks on it, but I just don't like the taste. Give me a burger any day instead of steak.

 

[lxskllr]

I tried sushi once when I was out of town a while back. But nope not for me. We have 2 sushi places here now. I guess it's all the rage but not my thing. Funny enough when I look at it, I find it LOOKS good, but I don't like the taste. That's kind of my view on steak too, I find it looks good, especially when you get the nice char marks on it, but I just don't like the taste. Give me a burger any day instead of steak.

I wouldn't say I dislike steak, but I'd rather have just about anything else. I'll take a bacon cheeseburger over any steak 100% of the time.

 

[destrekor]

Otherwise, I like meat cooked til it has crispy charred edges. Well done, then a bit more for good measure.

eww
I dislike chewing on leather. No thank you.

 

[destrekor]

I've eaten lot of raw things. Pretty much any ocean food I've caught or if it's sold at the wholesale seafood market, I've eaten raw. It doesn't matter if it's fish, shellfish, mollusk, or some other ocean creature. I probably ate it raw. And my dad used to give me raw eggs to eat when I was a kid. So I've had my fair share of raw eggs while growing up. I've had raw beef too. From steak tartare to yukhoe. I prefer yukhoe to tartare because of the I prefer chewier texture. Steak tartare is usually made by grounding the meat. So it has finer texture and constancy. Yukhoe is thinly julienned so it retains much of the chewiness and texture and feels like you're chewing on raw meat. Both tartare and yukhoe are usually served with raw egg yolk.

This is beef yukhoe. It's highly regulated by law and must be made with less than 1 day old slaughtered beef. Unless you grow and slaughter cows yourself, you're not going to find less than 1 day old beef in the US. We don't even have beef ID system in the US with the age of the beef animal of origin, supplier, distributor, the beef's grade, and butchering date and originating butchery.

Yeah with proper controls the beef should very much be safe. And yup, not something we can easily do here due to the lack of controls with that specific idea in mind. Absolutely fresh meat, under 24 hours old, is hardly necessary outside of very specific raw dishes. Since it wasn't a thing that Americans were ever interested in, I wouldn't expect that to ever change either. A lot of unnecessary cost for something that otherwise doesn't make a lick of difference.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I wouldn't say I dislike steak, but I'd rather have just about anything else. I'll take a bacon cheeseburger over any steak 100% of the time.

That. A good steak is very enjoyable, but a good bacon cheeseburger is better.

 

[Darwin333]

I was raised by a somewhat "eccentric" pathologist. And knowing they love/care for me as much as possible their advice was still far from the nanny state regurgitations that medical professionals must follow to keep their license. Eating fresh raw meat would be well down their list of concerns. They still happily eat old cheese chopping off most of the mould, cook meat most of us would consider past gone, and allow toddlers to put funky stuff into their mouths knowing there's a cost/reward scenario at stake.

It's easy to judge them as lazy or cheap but their knowledge of the pathogens involved, the affect of cooking them, and the functions of the body's immune system means they were still happy to nom down on stuff most of us would turn down.

In fact I've seen plenty of studies linking stuff like allergies, asthma, and eczema to "healthy" exposure to pathogens as a child. And I think the benefits of a a robust "healthy" immune system goes well past this, to the point where our obsession with cleanliness is harming us in wide variety of unforeseen ways. And the modern health material wont even touch the subject that raw meat can be perfectly healthy and delicious/nutritious without toeing some line about cooking times..

This is actually somewhat true. The Amish do not have problems like allergies and asthma to name a few and it is widely believed it is because of how they live. They live in very close quarters with animals and are constantly working, walking, playing, etc in dirt or places that virtually every "regular" American would consider dirty. In the general public 45% of people show some type of allergy and that is continually rising pretty fast, for the Amish just 7%.

There are currently clinical trials of using poop pills, yup pills with literally poop inside, from allergy-free people with a more robust microbiota to people with allergies to cure said allergies. Tests on mice have shown that they can give or cure allergies this way so it is very promising. There are even studies about microbiota being linked to obesity and other things, poop pills might turn out to be a magic bullet and if you have the right poop they will pay you a decent amount for it.

 

[destrekor]

I was raised by a somewhat "eccentric" pathologist. And knowing they love/care for me as much as possible their advice was still far from the nanny state regurgitations that medical professionals must follow to keep their license. Eating fresh raw meat would be well down their list of concerns. They still happily eat old cheese chopping off most of the mould, cook meat most of us would consider past gone, and allow toddlers to put funky stuff into their mouths knowing there's a cost/reward scenario at stake.

It's easy to judge them as lazy or cheap but their knowledge of the pathogens involved, the affect of cooking them, and the functions of the body's immune system means they were still happy to nom down on stuff most of us would turn down.

In fact I've seen plenty of studies linking stuff like allergies, asthma, and eczema to "healthy" exposure to pathogens as a child. And I think the benefits of a a robust "healthy" immune system goes well past this, to the point where our obsession with cleanliness is harming us in wide variety of unforeseen ways. And the modern health material wont even touch the subject that raw meat can be perfectly healthy and delicious/nutritious without toeing some line about cooking times..

Definitely true. But this should be carefully distinguished from raw meat. Yes we tend to discard far too much otherwise good food, usually in the name of an over-abundance of caution, but I don't think that's the same as what this thread is trying to discuss. Such as that cheese statement, I thought it was well understood that solid block cheeses are safe to eat if you cut off any moldy layers. Soft cheeses not so much. Most meat that gets thrown out for being bad is usually due to flavor which can't be cooked away.

Food science classes taught me a lot about what is actually safe and what in fact are things to worry about.

But indeed, a lot of our ailments are due to essentially always sterilizing ourselves and our environments. We could get away with a lot less and actually be healthier. Aside from pushing sugars over fats during the anti-fat era of our dietary guidelines, I do believe that a lot of modern culture is responsible our obesity epidemic and related health problems. I hope we can start walking some of it back and realizing we went too far in trying to make everything squeaky clean.

This is actually somewhat true. The Amish do not have problems like allergies and asthma to name a few and it is widely believed it is because of how they live. They live in very close quarters with animals and are constantly working, walking, playing, etc in dirt or places that virtually every "regular" American would consider dirty. In the general public 45% of people show some type of allergy and that is continually rising pretty fast, for the Amish just 7%.

There are currently clinical trials of using poop pills, yup pills with literally poop inside, from allergy-free people with a more robust microbiota to people with allergies to cure said allergies. Tests on mice have shown that they can give or cure allergies this way so it is very promising. There are even studies about microbiota being linked to obesity and other things, poop pills might turn out to be a magic bullet and if you have the right poop they will pay you a decent amount for it.

Poop pills aren't the only approach. There is also studies about healthy bacteria on the skin and/or in the sinuses. Ammonia-oxidizing bacteria (AOBs) are common in the dirt, but are also pretty fragile. When given a chance to thrive on our body, they can help control populations of other bacteria, and also contribute some of their own beneficial byproducts. But as they are fragile they don't survive our regular soap regimens. It takes a combo of either dirt exposure (or using sprays with such bacteria) and not constantly over-sanitizing our body, to keep a healthy population of AOBs, but the evidence is stacking up that such a population of them brings numerous benefits.

 

[sandorski]

Thousands of years of Evolution makes these fad diets stupid. Older is not Better.

 

[VirtualLarry]

There is also studies about healthy bacteria on the skin and/or in the sinuses. Ammonia-oxidizing bacteria (AOBs) are common in the dirt, but are also pretty fragile. When given a chance to thrive on our body, they can help control populations of other bacteria, and also contribute some of their own beneficial byproducts. But as they are fragile they don't survive our regular soap regimens. It takes a combo of either dirt exposure (or using sprays with such bacteria) and not constantly over-sanitizing our body, to keep a healthy population of AOBs, but the evidence is stacking up that such a population of them brings numerous benefits.

Whenever I'm with my Mom, and we go to the bank, and she has me use the pneumatic tube to send things to the teller, she's like "OTHER PEOPLE TOUCHED THAT! WIPE!!!".

And when I pump gas, with her in the car, she's like "OTHER PEOPLE TOUCH THE GAS PUMP! WIPE!!!"

Crazy shit I put up with...

(You remember 'Monk', right? Yeah...)

 

[destrekor]

Thousands of years of Evolution makes these fad diets stupid. Older is not Better.

While I generally agree, not all "fad diets" are equal. Many good diet practices tend to get called fad diets. Low sugar/low carb diets being a principal one.

The body can survive on nearly anything, but as we've come to find out, modern diet is utter shit, especially in America. It's wrecked our gut biome, wrecked brain chemistry, etc; when it comes to mental/neurological health, the biome alone may have nearly as large, if not larger role than the nutrient content of our diet, which is a curious concept starting to get more research now - research into our microbiome in general, be it gut or skin, is still woefully primitive in comparison to other medical research. But what we eat largely influences what microbes take up residence and survive in our gut. It's really quite fascinating.

As far as diets that generally push low carbs, they take many forms. Yes there are ones like paleo that try to push a "caveman" diet, which may be a tad misguided, because "modern" agriculture (think native cultures: be they Native Americans, First Nations, or related ancient but still highly developed civilizations when compared to the dawn of humanity) and the impact that has had on our species cannot be ignored. But boiled down, paleo still results in a naturally lower carb diet, one higher in unsaturated fats and proteins, and that has been demonstrated to be a generally superior diet. It's also what has largely been the standard diet for any developed civilization throughout history... until the anti-fat push and the sugar lobbyists completely ruined our diet. That shift in our diet is very new, and has completely wrecked our collective health and quite rapidly. That can be undone. We don't need to aim to consume 0g of carbs, that's preposterous, and is actually counter-productive in the long run. It can be good for shorter-term dieting mind you, but moderation is key in the long term. The body does much better with at least some carb intake, it's easier on the body to feed glucose to the brain and muscles than it is relying solely on the breakdown of fats and proteins to fuel the glucose/glycogen processes. Again, that's not devastating in the short term, but I wholly expect to see more health complications developing in those who are entirely abstaining from all carbs ever for life. Thankfully 0g carb intake is impossible but some dieters aim to get less than 20g of carbs a day in some of these diets, which indeed may cause long-term consequences if that diet persists for life. BUT, we also need to cut back from the hundreds of grams of carbs a day that most Americans get. I've seen mentioned that somewhere in the ballpark 15-20% of daily calorie intake from carbs to be a safe long-term goal. At 15% of a 2000 calorie diet that would be 75g of carbs, and if the majority are complex carbs, with a substantial amount of fiber (though fiber generally has a net contribution of zero, that would leave little room for excessive added sugars. That can probably be cut to 50g of carbs daily, on a standard calorie intake. Most paleo diets should actually exceed that easily considering all the fruits and vegetables that should be included in the diet. The loss of grains may still present a challenge long term, but I have seen pickier eaters (like me) who could easily fail to reach a healthy balance following a paleo-influenced diet if enough fruits and vegetables aren't included. Excessive meat and proteins without enough fiber is going to lead to some bad outcomes, particularly colon cancer.

I haven't ever actually seen much push into a wholly raw food diet, not in the way the OP discusses at least. Raw foods as far as raw plant matter, that's wholly different -- but I rarely have ever seen serious discussion for long-term wholly raw meat diets, nothing remotely approaching what could be called a fad diet. Raw plants like raw vegetables, fruits, nuts, maybe legumes, etc? Yes. Meats? No. (this does not discount occasional raw meats like sushi and beef tartar and the like).

I should stop here - late night rambling lol

 

[destrekor]

Whenever I'm with my Mom, and we go to the bank, and she has me use the pneumatic tube to send things to the teller, she's like "OTHER PEOPLE TOUCHED THAT! WIPE!!!".

And when I pump gas, with her in the car, she's like "OTHER PEOPLE TOUCH THE GAS PUMP! WIPE!!!"

Crazy shit I put up with...

(You remember 'Monk', right? Yeah...)

There are instances where some sanitizing is not a bad idea. I generally abstain from excessive sanitizing, but entering a managed care facility to visit my grandma when she was there for a few weeks, they strongly encouraged use of hand sanitizer provided at the door, both when walking in and walking out. In that instance it makes a heck of a lot of sense. They can go overboard in hospitals at times (leading to super-resistant bugs) but when dealing with elderly and immuno-compromised individuals, like those healing from major surgeries who are also likely going to be old -- such was the case for my grandma, post hip-replacement -- I definitely thought that was quite prudent. When walking in from outside there's who knows what on you and you really don't want to stress the immune systems of those inside any more than needed. When leaving, you definitely didn't want to take home anything that was hanging around in there. That was just about the only time, in a long while, that I very much followed any kind of sanitizing protocol. Otherwise I only wash my hands after the bathroom, when inserting or removing contacts, and after I have vigorously played with or petted any animals; I only do that for the latter now because I've discovered my eyes can suffer some excessive allergies from pets, especially cats or dogs and I'll often forget and end up touching my face or rubbing my eyes. Also a good idea anyway to avoid the risk of some of the nastier bugs animals may carry on them which can be quickly fatal if they enter any kind of cut or opening. (see: various instances of death or loss of limbs after picking up a bug from a dog lick or similar cases)

 

[William Gaatjes]

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/taeniasis/gen_info/faqs.html

What is taeniasis?
Taeniasis in humans is a parasitic infection caused by the tapeworm species Taenia saginata (beef tapeworm), Taenia solium (pork tapeworm), and Taenia asiatica (Asian tapeworm). Humans can become infected with these tapeworms by eating raw or undercooked beef (T. saginata) or pork (T. solium and T. asiatica). People with taeniasis may not know they have a tapeworm infection because symptoms are usually mild or nonexistent.

T. solium tapeworm infections can lead to cysticercosis, which is a disease that can cause seizures, so it is important seek treatment.

More on: cysticercosis


Where does taeniasis occur?
Taenia saginata and T. solium are found worldwide. Infections with T. saginata occur wherever contaminated raw beef is eaten, particularly in Eastern Europe, Russia, eastern Africa and Latin America. Taeniasis due to T. saginata is rare in the United States, except in places where cattle and people are concentrated and sanitation is poor, such as around feed lots where cattle can be exposed to human feces. Tapeworm infections due to T. solium are more prevalent in under-developed communities with poor sanitation and where people eat raw or undercooked pork. Higher rates of illness have been seen in people in Latin America, Eastern Europe, sub-Saharan Africa, India, and Asia. Taenia solium taeniasis is seen in the United States, typically among Latin American immigrants. Taenia asiatica is limited to Asia and is seen mostly in the Republic of Korea, China, Taiwan, Indonesia, and Thailand.


What are the signs and symptoms of taeniasis?
Most people with tapeworm infections have no symptoms or mild symptoms. Patients with T. saginata taeniasis often experience more symptoms that those with T. solium or T. asiatica infections because the T. saginata tapeworm is larger in size (up to 10 meters (m)) than the other two tapeworms (usually 3 m). Tapeworms can cause digestive problems including abdominal pain, loss of appetite, weight loss, and upset stomach. The most visible sign of taeniasis is the active passing of proglottids (tapeworm segments) through the anus and in the feces. In rare cases, tapeworm segments become lodged in the appendix, or the bile and pancreatic ducts.

Infection with T. solium tapeworms can result in human cysticercosis, which can be a very serious disease that can cause seizures and muscle or eye damage.

Cysticercosis is a parasitic tissue infection caused by larval cysts of the tapeworm Taenia solium. These larval cysts infect brain, muscle, or other tissue, and are a major cause of adult onset seizures in most low-income countries. A person gets cysticercosis by swallowing eggs found in the feces of a person who has an intestinal tapeworm. People living in the same household with someone who has a tapeworm have a much higher risk of getting cysticercosis than people who don’t.

 

[Mai72]

Pork, chicken should be cooked. You can eat beef raw but why? In Skyrim I have a 30% chance of getting sick when consuming raw meat. IRL, that could be 90% and fatal. Unless someone has a cure disease potion on them?

 

[Darwin333]

A 33-foot long tapeworm inside of you, holy shit! I'm not sure that I want to ask how they get that fucker out.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I am wondering if this is a troll thread.

As for raw eggs, you do have a good probability of getting salmonella.

Sadly, he's a retard and doesn't know any better.