Tbh you should cook your meat only sparingly(raw omnivour)

Naer

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Meat should be eaten raw the majority of the times. Some Bacteria is actually helpful for your body. So much fear mongering about eating raw meat. Jeez, it's the most natural way of eating. Destroying your food by cooking it destroys enzymes and other valueble properties

I've started downing raw eggs. Next time I get a ribyeye, gonna dip it in yum yum sauce or soysauce, completely raw. Organs need to be organic tho. Muscle can be non organic

I expect to see my health improve
 

Red Squirrel

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I'm a big fan of not getting stuff like e-coli, salmonella or whatever other diseases you can get from raw meat. So I cook meat. It also taste better cooked. I don't get the appeal of people who like it still full of blood. The meat itself just tastes horrible if it's not cooked enough. Worse is biting into a piece of chicken that's not quite cooked it just has a horrible taste to it.
 
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Thebobo

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Well lets say if you just Killed it yourself on a clean place and eat it wouldn't have all the bad things no? Well maybe with pork and trichinosis? Can you get that in other meats?
 
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VirtualLarry

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God gave Man, Beer, Beef (meat), and Fire. Not necessarily in that order, I suppose. But really, you ARE supposed to cook meat. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Lazy Caveman Genes expressing themselves? Going for an early Darwin Award?

Meat doesn't turn carcinogenic, unless you're doing it (Fire - Cooking) terribly wrong.
 

ponyo

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this is the fear mongering im talking about. As long as the meat is fresh, It's better than if you cooked it and made it carcinogenic
The meat you buy is not fresh. Shit, I wouldn't trust any beef I buy to be fresh or clean enough to eat as beef tartar. Everything is carcinogenic and can give you cancer. It's one thing if you enjoy eating completely raw meat. It's another to do it because you think it has some health benefits. That's being a moron. You're going to die anyway. If not cancer, it will be something else. If you enjoy eating completely raw meat, knock yourself out! Me? I'm going to continue to grill and burn the crap out of my food and eat shitload of smoked BBQ.
 

ponyo

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Meat should be eaten raw the majority of the times. Some Bacteria is actually helpful for your body. So much fear mongering about eating raw meat. Jeez, it's the most natural way of eating. Destroying your food by cooking it destroys enzymes and other valueble properties

I've started downing raw eggs. Next time I get a ribyeye, gonna dip it in yum yum sauce or soysauce, completely raw. Organs need to be organic tho. Muscle can be non organic

I expect to see my health improve

Want to not cook meat to avoid carcinogens. Yet want to dip the ribeye in soy sauce which is carcinogenic. o_O
 

Red Squirrel

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Cooked meat also tastes WAY better. I can't imagine how nasty it would be to eat it raw. I'd rather go vegan than to eat meat raw.
 

purbeast0

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I'm making some ground chicken burgers right now. I have like 1/2 lb left over. Maybe I should just eat it with a fork like the OP is suggesting, that sounds appetizing...
 

Iron Woode

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I am wondering if this is a troll thread.

As for raw eggs, you do have a good probability of getting salmonella.
 

destrekor

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Our body did not evolve on a raw food diet. We had fire very early, and discovered just as early that cooking our prey made it safer. Fewer cave brothers died eating the cooked meat versus raw meat. So they stuck to it. And, now hundreds of thousands of years later, our body is not equipped for it. You will not get the same nutrients as much of the meat is too tough for our digestive enzymes to thoroughly break down on their own.

We are not like primitive animals that can still eat raw meat.

Other animals can also tolerate a higher pathogenic load in their diet because their own gut microbiome (and to some extent their digestive enzymes) are far and aware superior to ours for that specific approach in eating. Our gut biome is weak in comparison. And there's nearly nothing you can do about that. You could improve it a bit by foregoing all modern medicine and living off the land (with cooked meals but still off the land, i.e. nothing processed, nothing that isn't found in nature, etc), but good luck with that unless you were born into such an environment. And then there's still the factor of what we've evolved/adapted over time, what we can accommodate in our biome.

Little differences like that are often what fuels "traveler's diarrhea" - different endemic pathogens that our weak gut biome isn't equipped to tolerate immediately. Given some time the body in general sheds the pathogens, but that's not guaranteed.

However, there *are* some things that can be consumed raw, though it is never guaranteed we'll walk away perfectly healthy. Often? Yes, but not always, again due to unfortunate pathogenic contamination.
For instance, raw eggs are generally fine. And I believe we can absorb all the nutrients efficiently. Good egg sources matter, however. And generally natural (usually brown) eggs are going to be better for that - the American bleached white chicken eggs have thin shells which necessitates cold storage to minimize contamination. Most of the time any bacteria are stuck living on the outer shell, but the thin bleached shells can allow buggers to slip through to the goods on the other side.

Also whole cuts of beef are generally safe cold rare. Never entirely though, always at minimum sear all surfaces over high heat. The interior of such solid cuts could still be bloody and ice cold and 99% of the time safe to consume. Internal parasites are more rare in beef than other domesticated livestock, though not impossible. That's also only true for whole cuts. Contamination generally occurs on the surface of whole cuts, post-slaughter, which is why flash searing works because they stick to the surface. But ground beef means the previously exposed surface of solid cuts is now mixed throughout the final ground product. Which is why, to be perfectly safe, a burger should be well done. But nobody wants that, so we all gamble a little. Oh well. But beef tartar? Hell no, not that I even think I would be remotely interested in that flavor/texture profile, but I'd also want to personally observe the entire butchering process, observe the perfect sterilization of the beef grinding machinery, etc. If all variables are controlled perfectly, you can have *probably, quite likely* safe raw beef. But no thanks.

But NEVER consume raw pork or birds though. It's practically written in stone that you would eventually get just about the worst parasites imaginable. Especially if they aren't farm-raised livestock.

Frankly, besides the safety factor, our ancestors were on to something with fire. Dead animals just taste better once they've been put through fire. The chemical reactions (the maillard reaction for starters) involved with cooking completely changes the flavor profile.
 

destrekor

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I am wondering if this is a troll thread.

As for raw eggs, you do have a good probability of getting salmonella.

Probably trolling for sure.

Regarding raw eggs - this is quite a bit more rare than many have been led to believe. But if you really want to chance raw eggs freshly freed from eggshells, don't buy the bleached white eggs. In today's modern processing you are still far more likely to get away with it, even with white shells. But the shells are thin enough to make salmonella infiltration a possibility, however remote that chance may be. But best to buy natural eggs and wash the exterior thoroughly before cracking them open. The thicker brown shells better defend against invaders (because salmonella is quite likely on eggs from the beginning, you know with the whole egg chute in the bird and just sitting there under the bird for awhile), which means the interior should be perfectly fine. But to be safe, just like with fresh produce, a thorough washing is thus advised. White shell eggs are generally cleaned at the beginning which is also why they require refrigeration, to minimize the chance of anything new growing on the shells again, which could then infiltrate the shell later. The early cleaning leaves a shell weak and porous, because there is a natural defensive layer on fresh eggs. If left to mature, that layer is practically impenetrable.

Wholly natural, untreated eggs don't actually require cold storage. They can be good for something like three weeks without refrigeration, which is why in other countries you can find them on store shelves like you would find bread, not in refrigerators. Of course you can still refrigerate those for a longer shelf life.

This is simplifying it greatly, of course. And salmonella of course can happen with any egg washing approach (washed right away and stored cold, or washed at home and the egg never saw a refrigerator), because sometimes the salmonella didn't originate on the shell but rather in the egg before the shell was formed, from infected ovaries essentially. I think most countries that don't refrigerate the eggs throughout the entire distribution network tend to vaccinate chickens against salmonella, though I do not believe it is required in the US. Which is indeed odd if true... I might need to do some research on that later.
 

ponyo

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This thread made me hungry for some raw meat so I drove 5 minutes to my favorite sushi joint and had some sashimi. :p I already had early dinner at the house so this was second late dinner. You want to eat some raw meat? Eat some fish.
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destrekor

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This thread made me hungry for some raw meat so I drove 5 minutes to my favorite sushi joint and had some sashimi. :p I already had early dinner at the house so this was second late dinner. You want to eat some raw meat? Eat some fish.
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Oh right, forgot the other meat you can eat raw. But like land animals, it isn't true for every species in the water. Also, nope. Not for me! I don't like most fish anyway lol