Taurus SHO is back

[exdeath]

Wow... not much else I can say.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlackTigers
""and will also rev match downshifts and hold gears even when the tach is bouncing off the engine's redline.""

What the hell....they rev match down shifts? That's pretty kick ass.

Nissan has this in the new 370Z (as an option) on a traditional manual gearbox. As you downshift the computer will rev match as you engage the lower gear. I think that is probably the coolest thing about the new Z in fact.

I hate flappy paddle gearboxes personally but I remain interested in this car. Sounds pretty sweet to me! :thumbsup:

It definitely is the coolest thing about the Z. I can't believe it has taken a company this long to come out with it...but bravo to Nissan for doing so.

It's only been made possible recently with the advent of fly by wire electronic throttle control (eg: accelerator pedal is just a variable resistor that measures driver demand). You can only regulate engine speed so much and so fast with a idle air valve and ignition timing, but you need full computer control of the throttle to do something like bumping the RPM by a few thousand instantly.

The only question I have is how does it know how much to rev match? There is a big difference between a 6th to 5th downshift for passing up an incline at highway speeds, vs dropping from a 4th gear cruise to 2nd gear to burn rubber. Having sensors that monitor shift lever position doesn't seem like it would be early enough warning for the computer to throttle up that far before you engage the clutch.

 

[BigSmooth]

If the torque curve they posted is realistic, this thing is going to snap people's heads back. That is a silly amount of torque at extremely low RPMs. The joy of two turbos, I suppose. 😀

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
If the torque curve they posted is realistic, this thing is going to snap people's heads back. That is a silly amount of torque at extremely low RPMs. The joy of two turbos, I suppose. 😀

I just wonder how built up the transmission & diffs are on this thing to hold up once all four of those giant 20" wheels grab the ground and dig in with that much juice available right off idle.

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: Quintox
For 40K I'd get the G8 GXP

And then it'd be worth 12k less in the first two years. A Pontiac is still a Pontiac and their depreciation is ridonkulous.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
If the torque curve they posted is realistic, this thing is going to snap people's heads back. That is a silly amount of torque at extremely low RPMs. The joy of two turbos, I suppose. 😀

I just wonder how built up the transmission & diffs are on this thing to hold up once all four of those giant 20" wheels grab the ground and dig in with that much juice available right off idle.

I think that's why you're seeing the torque hit a flat spot, they're limiting it so that the rest of the drive train can stand the abuse. Much better than Nissan's idea of building a drivetrain that can't survive what the engine can put out.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: Quintox
For 40K I'd get the G8 GXP

And then it'd be worth 12k less in the first two years. A Pontiac is still a Pontiac and their depreciation is ridonkulous.

and how will it be any different for the SHO? domestics, in general, depreciate quickly.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: Quintox
For 40K I'd get the G8 GXP

And then it'd be worth 12k less in the first two years. A Pontiac is still a Pontiac and their depreciation is ridonkulous.

and how will it be any different for the SHO? domestics, in general, depreciate quickly.

It shouldnt, especially since it'll be a low volume section. They only built 100,000 original SHOs over 10 years. If you are only selling 10k a year it wont depreciate as fast. Not to mention this is a whole new Taurus, its not the old rental/fleet vehicle.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: Quintox
For 40K I'd get the G8 GXP

And then it'd be worth 12k less in the first two years. A Pontiac is still a Pontiac and their depreciation is ridonkulous.

You're going to have to get over that. Lets skip past the part where considering resale is stupid when buying a car. The vehicles are changed, the brand is changed. They are making good cars and the resale is going to catch up.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: Quintox
For 40K I'd get the G8 GXP

And then it'd be worth 12k less in the first two years. A Pontiac is still a Pontiac and their depreciation is ridonkulous.

You're going to have to get over that. Lets skip past the part where considering resale is stupid when buying a car. The vehicles are changed, the brand is changed. They are making good cars and the resale is going to catch up.

the resale might catch up in some years if they make good cars starting now, but the resale value of this SHO won't be good, along with the rest of fairly new fords (+other domestics)

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: Quintox
For 40K I'd get the G8 GXP

And then it'd be worth 12k less in the first two years. A Pontiac is still a Pontiac and their depreciation is ridonkulous.

and how will it be any different for the SHO? domestics, in general, depreciate quickly.

They've been taking steps to improve resale. Ford and GM have been decreasing their fleet sales, which is terrible for resale. Even though the cars they sell are stripped down, when it comes down to it, they end up back in the used car market at huge deals (I.e. a year old Impala for $12-13k)

 

[Dman877]

Resale on cars over 30k has never been that great. The Taurus will be no different.