Taurus SHO is back

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
in all reality, ford still just sucks.

i wouldn't give it a 2nd look (or even a first) when given the chance to drive a honda, acura, lexus or infinity.
everyone here swears that american (or ford in specific) cars r THE SHIT, but they're really not, which is why nobody IN AMERICA buys them.
about 7 of europe's top selling cars are EUROPEAN , about 8 of japan's top selling cars are japanese, while in america, only 1 of the top 10 list is an America Car, + 3-4 pickups. how i'd interpret this is that... americans dont even like to buy american cars? which is why ford and GM were BEGGING for some money to stay alive for a few more years where honda and toyota show now signs of going bankrupt

congrats, you just shown that ignorance is only thing between american cars and shoppers.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: QueBert

If I'm somehow magically able to afford one and buy it I might dig the fact it might well have that "eeeewwww it's a Taurus!" Stigma. Right now I drive a silver 2000 Taurus and I see about ohh 20 that look exactly like mine every hour on the road. With the price tag the new one won't appeal to Taurus owners, and the people who can afford it will go "what! I can get a BMW that's half the size for the same price *phhsst!*

I could buy one and NOT see them all around me lol.

the SHO is the equivalent to any of Chrysler's SRT models or Pontiac's GXP models. it's not like the SHO is the base model for the new taurus :laugh:

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: QueBert

If I'm somehow magically able to afford one and buy it I might dig the fact it might well have that "eeeewwww it's a Taurus!" Stigma. Right now I drive a silver 2000 Taurus and I see about ohh 20 that look exactly like mine every hour on the road. With the price tag the new one won't appeal to Taurus owners, and the people who can afford it will go "what! I can get a BMW that's half the size for the same price *phhsst!*

I could buy one and NOT see them all around me lol.

the SHO is the equivalent to any of Chrysler's SRT models or Pontiac's GXP models. it's not like the SHO is the base model for the new taurus :laugh:

I understand that, but people on here represent a lot of real world people with their "fuck this car, it's a Taurus" opinion about it. I love the body and think the inside looks awesome. It's a pipe dream for me to be able to afford it, but maybe in a few years I can get a used one for a good deal. And why are people crapping all over it because of the massaging seats, I would actually like that.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
in all reality, ford still just sucks.

i wouldn't give it a 2nd look (or even a first) when given the chance to drive a honda, acura, lexus or infinity.
everyone here swears that american (or ford in specific) cars r THE SHIT, but they're really not, which is why nobody IN AMERICA buys them.
about 7 of europe's top selling cars are EUROPEAN , about 8 of japan's top selling cars are japanese, while in america, only 1 of the top 10 list is an America Car, + 3-4 pickups. how i'd interpret this is that... americans dont even like to buy american cars? which is why ford and GM were BEGGING for some money to stay alive for a few more years where honda and toyota show now signs of going bankrupt

Yes, this is why Ford's ratings have gone through the roof, haven't asked for any government money, and are making cars that people actually want to drive.

Toyota's cars aren't exactly getting high marks right now for being exciting and neither are Honda's. Honda is killing their only real sports car and Toyota doesn't have one. Honestly both their lineups are boring.

They both sell on their reputations but they're not making many real improvements, just maintaining the status quo.

Nissan may have a more exciting lineup but announcing a 20,000 person layoff doesn't exactly sound like it's going well.

Yes, BMW and Mercedes have better cars, but at what cost? To get into a car of the same size and with the same features you'll have to spend a huge amount more. It's not in the same ballpark.

 

[sindows]

So would this be a bargain basement MKS or is this a new platform? The reason I ask is the interiors look very similar to each other or it could just be Ford's new interior design language.

As far as the car goes, I like it and I love in the interior but there are just so many choices at this price level...especially 1 or 2 year old XJRs...

 

[Imdmn04]

Why the fuck would anyone pay 38k for a Ford Taurus?

The 335i starts at 39k and is probably a shit load faster despite having less HP, plus it is NOT a Ford.

 

[TehMac]

You know what this means? The 2010 Mustang EcoBoost is going to get at least 365bhp, which could be interesting.

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Why the fuck would anyone pay 38k for a Ford Taurus?

The 335i starts at 39k and is probably a shit load faster despite having less HP, plus it is NOT a Ford.

I'll give you the Ford bit, but the 335i has 300bhp, this has 365, so when it comes down to it, this will probably be a bit faster, unless you're talking coupes.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Why the fuck would anyone pay 38k for a Ford Taurus?

The 335i starts at 39k and is probably a shit load faster despite having less HP, plus it is NOT a Ford.

We don't know which is faster but the SHO is fully loaded with everything at that price while 39k is a base 335i but yes people will never get over the Ford name like you.

 

[GoatMonkey]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
They should do this to the Fusion. THAT would be a cool car.

Fusion is just a name though, I drive a 2000 Taurus and ummm my car shares 1 thing in common with the new SHO, the name. Outside of that there's nothing I can say about my car to compare it to this beast. A SHO Fusion with these specs would probably be better perceived, but it was the exact same car so the name shouldn't matter. Reminds me of when Microsoft changed Vistas appearance for the commercial and called it Mohave and a bunch of people who hated Vista were like "OMG THIS IS THE WINS!?!" And all looked shocked as shit when they found out it was really just Vista with a different theme. Ford should have done that here and released it as a Fusion then like 6 months after it was out went "surprise, it's a Taurus SUCKAS!"

maybe Ford is making a mistake selling it as a Taurus, but it seems to be a hellova car from the specs and it looks very nice to boot.

The Fusion is about a foot shorter, and probably around 150 or so pounds lighter too. Plus, it's just a better looking body, that would look even better in sport trim. It's cheaper than the Taurus and really would be more in the spirit of the original SHO. The older Taurus was a smaller car.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: QueBert

If I'm somehow magically able to afford one and buy it I might dig the fact it might well have that "eeeewwww it's a Taurus!" Stigma. Right now I drive a silver 2000 Taurus and I see about ohh 20 that look exactly like mine every hour on the road. With the price tag the new one won't appeal to Taurus owners, and the people who can afford it will go "what! I can get a BMW that's half the size for the same price *phhsst!*

I could buy one and NOT see them all around me lol.

the SHO is the equivalent to any of Chrysler's SRT models or Pontiac's GXP models. it's not like the SHO is the base model for the new taurus :laugh:

Except the G8 doesn't carry the same econobox rental car stigma that the Taurus name carries. I see more Ford 500's, or Taurus's or whatever it is being called this week in a typical day than G8's I've seen ever on the road. The Charger SRT8 looks pretty drastically different from the baseline Charger.

This
does not look $13,000 more than
This

There's almost nothing that differentiates the two models.

 

[punjabiplaya]

I don't care if it's good or bad. I hope Conan buys one.

 

[Imdmn04]

Originally posted by: TehMac
You know what this means? The 2010 Mustang EcoBoost is going to get at least 365bhp, which could be interesting.

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Why the fuck would anyone pay 38k for a Ford Taurus?

The 335i starts at 39k and is probably a shit load faster despite having less HP, plus it is NOT a Ford.

I'll give you the Ford bit, but the 335i has 300bhp, this has 365, so when it comes down to it, this will probably be a bit faster, unless you're talking coupes.

335 coupe is no faster than the 335 sedan.

More HP != faster. There are other factors involved such as the weight and torque curve that determines acceleration.

I guarantee you the SHO won't run 0-60 in 4.9 like the 335i.

 

[thedarkwolf]

How many times do people have to point out that the taurus is a HUGE FREAKING CAR that isn't in the same class as a 3 series.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
How many times do people have to point out that the taurus is a HUGE FREAKING CAR that isn't in the same class as a 3 series.

but for $40k, there are many options. and if people "enjoy driving" they would probably prefer a BMW over a ford.

EX: nissan gt-r. why is it always compared to smaller cars such as porches, m3, is-f etc??
because of the price. the gt-r is also a huge freaking car

 

[HannibalX]

Looks like a nice car.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

Originally posted by: TehMac
You know what this means? The 2010 Mustang EcoBoost is going to get at least 365bhp, which could be interesting.

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Why the fuck would anyone pay 38k for a Ford Taurus?

The 335i starts at 39k and is probably a shit load faster despite having less HP, plus it is NOT a Ford.

I'll give you the Ford bit, but the 335i has 300bhp, this has 365, so when it comes down to it, this will probably be a bit faster, unless you're talking coupes.

335 coupe is no faster than the 335 sedan.

More HP != faster. There are other factors involved such as the weight and torque curve that determines acceleration.

I guarantee you the SHO won't run 0-60 in 4.9 like the 335i.

If you want a 335i with no comforts whatsoever, go for it. Try optioning the 335i up to the Taurus levels and get back to us with a real price.

Also, they are NOT in the same size class, 10lbs is not bulk and the Plane takes off. FYI.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
How many times do people have to point out that the taurus is a HUGE FREAKING CAR that isn't in the same class as a 3 series.

but for $40k, there are many options. and if people "enjoy driving" they would probably prefer a BMW over a ford.

EX: nissan gt-r. why is it always compared to smaller cars such as porches, m3, is-f etc??
because of the price. the gt-r is also a huge freaking car

You're just not getting it. The Taurus is a full-size sedan. The SHO is a performance version of it, not a performance car. You also keep mentioning cars that start around $40k. The Taurus SHO is fully equipped at $37k. The only ones you can really compare would be Acuras (although the TL is a midsize, not full) or Hyundai, because they're fully equipped at those prices.

And the GT-R is a high performance coupe, as are the rest of the cars you listed. I also hate to break it to you, but it's not that big compared to the others.

GT-R

Length: 183.3 in. Width: 74.6 in.
Height: 53.9 in. Wheel Base: 109.5 in.
Curb Weight: 3858 lbs. Gross Weight: 4343 lbs.

M3

Length: 180.4 in. Width: 71.5 in.
Height: 57 in. Wheel Base: 108.7 in.
Curb Weight: 3726 lbs. Gross Weight: 4740 lbs

IS-F

Length: 183.5 in. Width: 71.5 in.
Height: 55.7 in. Wheel Base: 107.5 in.
Ground Clearance: 4.7 in. Curb Weight: 3780 lbs.
Gross Weight: 4660 lbs.

911

Length: 176.3 in. Width: 72.9 in.
Height: 51.2 in. Wheel Base: 92.5 in.
Ground Clearance: 4.3 in. Curb Weight: 3494 lbs.

 

[TehMac]

GTR is ugly and something of a farce. The Nurburg test ring run was using special slicks and a newly tuned suspension, which makes the hype about the GTR bloated.

 

[foghorn67]

It's probably going to be in limited numbers anyway, just like every other Ford SVT, SVO or whatnot.
Ford isn't resting their hopes of the success of the Taurus on the premium only model.

 

[LTC8K6]

i wouldn't give it a 2nd look (or even a first) when given the chance to drive a honda, acura, lexus or infinity.

So you won't even give Ford a chance, even to the point of refusing to try out the car?

Well then, you were never going to be a customer in the first place.

How are they supposed to get better if people like you won't even give them a first look? They might as well not bother...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: TehMac
GTR is ugly and something of a farce. The Nurburg test ring run was using special slicks and a newly tuned suspension, which makes the hype about the GTR bloated.

Proof?

The GT-R has put down blistering numbers in any number of private and professional hands, such as the C&D Hot Lap test, Edmunds, etc, etc, etc.

It even put down very good numbers with a lower-tier driver and the crap Bridgestones in the Automobile GT-R vs. 911 showdown, which used the old firmware.

For what it is, the GT-R is damned impressive. It's not overwhelming in every way, the Viper/Z06/ZR-1 will all take it with ease on a long enough straight or from a roll, but for a good mixed course like the 'Ring, or under-100mph drags, it is alarmingly good.

EDIT :

Chew on this : http://www.motorauthority.com/...me-was-legitimate.html

 

[ayabe]

Well I see on Ford's site that the new Taurus starts at $25K basically, you can't build one yet so it's hard to see how it scales.

But let's for the sake of argument say that you can get a fully loaded model(including the ball massager that everyone seems so enamored with) with the next lowest powertrain for ~30K.

In fact it should come in below that or Ford is on crack considering a fully loaded Accord is around 31K.

Is the Ecoboost motor and AWD going to be worth a $7K+ premium?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Well I see on Ford's site that the new Taurus starts at $25K basically, you can't build one yet so it's hard to see how it scales.

But let's for the sake of argument say that you can get a fully loaded model(including the ball massager that everyone seems so enamored with) with the next lowest powertrain for ~30K.

In fact it should come in below that or Ford is on crack considering a fully loaded Accord is around 31K.

Is the Ecoboost motor and AWD going to be worth a $7K+ premium?

IMHO, yes. Not to mention that the new Taurus is a larger vehicle than the Accord. IMHO, though, I just don't enjoy FWD that much on cars with more than 200hp. I'd take a weaker, non-AWD G35 over either the loaded Accord or new Taurus.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Well I see on Ford's site that the new Taurus starts at $25K basically, you can't build one yet so it's hard to see how it scales.

But let's for the sake of argument say that you can get a fully loaded model(including the ball massager that everyone seems so enamored with) with the next lowest powertrain for ~30K.

In fact it should come in below that or Ford is on crack considering a fully loaded Accord is around 31K.

Taurus is a full-sized. The Accord may be more comparable to the Ford Fusion. The blinged-out Fusion Hybrid is around $31-32K.

I remember when the original SHO came out. Most everyone thought it was pretty cool.

 

[Dman877]

I'd rather see an SVT Fusion in the 30k region then a 40k Taurus. Something with AWD, good power, and a stick would be nice.