TAS members' thread February-March 2007: DPAD and ex-NanoHive@Home.

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caferace

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from: http://www.nanohive-1.org/atHome/forum_thread.php?id=143#3530

Yesterday's credit spike was primarily due to retroactive application of the higher credit grant policy. Also, as Santa pointed out many credit allocations were fixed to better reflect the over-all credit granting policy resulting in additional credit granted.

As for the credit/hour issue, thanks all for your valuable input. Rob's project comparison data is very good. And andcrs2 raises a good point as well, that NHAH WUs are not exactly low impact in terms of CPU use (although I believe the new BOINC Manager has some CPU throttling functionality) and they can take several hours to complete with infrequent checkpointing - currently they are not a "walk in the park", although we're working to resolve those issues and get out of the beta software phase.

We realize you want to compete on "level ground" and will adjust things to get there as best we can.
--Brian.
-jim

edit: Peter already responded to Brian. :)
 

petrusbroder

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Hmmm, been looking around my results:

I have recieved a lot of WUs since Feb, 5, 2007, 12:00 UTC.
I have sent in a lot of WUs in the last 17.5 hours - to a total of 10 032.01 credits: 7362.43 credits are alreadey granted, which leaves 2669.58 claimed credits.
All this was crunched in the passed 30 hours, and uploaded in the passed 17.5 hours.

I now know that the crediting system is way off - compared to the other projects.

I am considering if I should leave the project until it is fixed or if I should - as a faithful member of TAS and TA - stay on.

It is not unfair (compared to the other teams, they are getting the same credits), but it disturbes my sense of "sporting fairness" that one project should give out so many credits and thus mess up the stats for the other projects I am running.

Any opinions? Please post! :sun:
 

caferace

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I think if we leave, we should leave as a group. I think we should also if we do decide to leave courteously let the devs know why we are leaving.

At the same time though, as you are saying we should give them a few days to clean up their mess. I have no issues giving back unearned creds. And I certainly am not happy with how I ended up where I am in TA with N@H. #1 belongs to Silverthorne, not me.

-jim
 

BlackMountainCow

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Despite all the woes with the creds, we're still doing some good science there!

I wouldn't mind giving up those creds again, and receive far less but based on fair terms. I don't think we should leave, although I also felt that urge as you do, Peter. But as we still do good work with our cycles, I think we should let those devs iron out their problems and give them as much feedback as possible about our state of happiness. After all, they need us, so I assume they'll get their cred system fixed sooner than later. From what I understand, their cred allocating script is on the snail side of life and thus it'll take some time to adjust the situation, but patience is a virtue, right?

:)

And Jim, it shows your good sportsmanship to acknowledge without hesitation that #1 should be silver's. :thumbsup: Kudos man!
 

petrusbroder

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Thanks for your input, guys. :)

I agree that the devs should have a chance to set the credits right.
I think that the current credit policy is outright unfair - when related to other projects.
I am not as convinced that the devs must decrease the credits for the WUs alreay crunched. It would be good if they did.
The devs should however adjust the credits granted for the current WUs as soon as that is possible - because the lack of fairness is increasing each day.
I am of the opinion that the devs should get 10 days from now (i.e. until Febrary 17, 23:59 UTC) to get the credits right.

I am proud of being a team member with such team mates as Jim, Christian and others who have this sense of fairness and a feeling of pride in Team Anandtech as a sporting and fair team. :thumbsup: :beer:
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: caferace
Cool. Feb 17th it is. :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

-jim

Are we going to conduct another vote, or go with the second place winner--if Nano isn't going to work for us?
 

petrusbroder

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Since Nano-Hive got 50% of the votes and the second (Riesel-BOINC) only got 33% of the votes, I would like to propose that we take an other vote if and when we get there. I'll set up the poll if and when we agree that it would be time to switch.
An alternative would be to vote for the March project and to run it for 6 weeks - from Feb 17 to March 31.

Any opinions?
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: petrusbroder
Since Nano-Hive got 50% of the votes and the second (Riesel-BOINC) only got 33% of the votes, I would like to propose that we take an other vote if and when we get there. I'll set up the poll if and when we agree that it would be time to switch.
An alternative would be to vote for the March project and to run it for 6 weeks - from Feb 17 to March 31.

Any opinions?

Actually, the later sounds good--doing the march poll now... That makes the most sense to me.
 

Rudy Toody

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March poll sounds good.

I reduced my cache from 2 days to 0.25 days and figured it would put the PCs into panic mode. That didn't happen. However, Nono-Hive downloaded over 120 WUs onto one of my PCs. I've set both to "no new tasks."

Incidentally, Boinc Stats has Silverthorne at a minus 13,000+ for the day! WTF!
 

rise

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hmm, well i agree with everything said so i'll just follow what you guys do.
 

BlackMountainCow

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INFO: Looks like the pending creds page now works properly, with all pending, consensus not yet and what have you ... :thumbsup:
 

caferace

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I just noticed that too. A :beer: to whoever comes closest to mine.

hint: It's a LOT.

-jim
 

caferace

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Good News!

...note that we've started to decay our current credit granting to bring it in line with other projects, so enjoy it while it lasts.
--Brian.

-jim

ps... A quick calculation on same box, same crunch length WU's shows a ~ 19% reduction in the last hour. It's a start.
 

petrusbroder

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Originally posted by: caferace
I just noticed that too. A :beer: to whoever comes closest to mine.

hint: It's a LOT.

-jim

Yeah it may be ... lets get the ball rolling:

Petrusbroder: 22 632.26 pending ____ 62 496.98 (total) i.e. 36.2% of the granted.
 

petrusbroder

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Originally posted by: BlackMountainCow
Originally posted by: Silverthorne
I just pulled the plug on every machine in my basement, that's about 8 machines.

Why that?


I do not know - but I would guess it could be the credits - they are highly unfair as they were/are awarded/withdrawn and that would make a highproducing cruncher like Silverthorne quite frustrated. I hope that there are other projects Silverthorne likes ...

Silverthorne, if it is the credits-trouble which have made you "pull the plug", please understand that quite a few of us agree. We (as in TAS) have decided - as you can see from the posts - to end crunching NH@H if the credits-problems are not solved to our satisfaction by February 17th, 23:59:59 UTC. Of course, each and everyone has the freedom to do what she/he thinks is right ...
 

petrusbroder

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I myself have restarted Seti@home, Einstein@home, QMC@Home and MalariaControl.
Now NanoHive@home gets approximately 40% of the resources I have - compared to 85% before 0830 pm today.
 

caferace

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Originally posted by: petrusbroder
Originally posted by: caferace
I just noticed that too. A :beer: to whoever comes closest to mine.

hint: It's a LOT.

-jim

Yeah it may be ... lets get the ball rolling:

Petrusbroder: 22 632.26 pending ____ 62 496.98 (total) i.e. 36.2% of the granted.

I'll just let it out. There is no good guesses with N@H right now.

Pending credit: 73,796.51 :Q

Yeah. That's what I thought too.

-jim

edit: I just counted, and I have 347 pending WU's. That makes an average of 212 creds claimed pending per WU. I usually get a fair bit less than my claimed.
 

petrusbroder

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Well, two crunchers between them 96K pending credits, well if we get half of that for the TeAm,, that will be just great!
An then there are all the others - FMC, Liz, Newfie, amd.borg, BMC, Tom P., salvor, rise, Fardringle, Rudy and Silver -- thats a humongous amount of pending credits!