TAS members' thread February-March 2007: DPAD and ex-NanoHive@Home.

[caferace]

Holy crap. I go to bed with 23k, and wake up to 96k ? Did I turn into Johan in my sleep?

whoa x2.

-jim

edit: I don't mind big credits, but this is odd. I can picture registrations for N@H rising quickly, if this holds....

 

[petrusbroder]

Well not quite ... you got 97k right now.

This is just an adjustement of the "old" credits.
Probably the new credits will be what we crunched in the paased 24 hours - not the credits we were awarded ...
Since it all comes in one shot the RAC is way too high.

 

[caferace]

BOINC Synergy is noticing too.

http://www.boincsynergy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8032&start=105

-jim

 

[rise]

meh, all you guys got big bumps and i got a measly 6k bump

anyway, i'll ignore all stats until the end of the week. (unless i pass someone, lol)

 

[petrusbroder]

rise, you got a 6.5K bump in the last 11 hours ...
You have also a lot of credits pending - those may be more than you had ... the validation takes time while they are adjusting the credits.
So keep the courage high - more credita are coming your way ...

 

[caferace]

I (almost) feel guilty.

-jim

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Originally posted by: rise
unless i pass someone, lol

... hehe ...

 

[petrusbroder]

This day has been fun - but I have a warped sense of what is fun ...

The team has jumped from some 90K credist to more than 406 K credits ...
Some crunchers from 4-digit numbers to high-5-digit numbers ...
Most are just somewhat astrounded ...

As I wrote: a fun day ... :Q

 

[caferace]

I'm mad. I gained 81,282 points in one day and only moved up one position.

aside: This is the highest I've ever been in any project (currently 6th) so I'm kind of of pleased with that.

-jim

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Now, am I the only one thinking that is not right? I mean, I needed about a year to get 160,00 creds in Rosetta. At this pace however, I'm likely to pass that mark with Nano within a month.

 

[Strebor]

All I have to say... http://www.boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_bo_object_new_users_12003.gif

 

[caferace]

I agree that it's strange. I don't know about "not right" as in we did something wrong. I imagine that once things shake out at N@H some of those creds will disappear.

-jim

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Not wrong as in "we are wrong" but as in "they are wrong". I mean, Jim, you already got over 100,00 creds in a week of Nano but only 80,000 after a month of Proteins. And Proteins is a "real high creds yield" BOINC project.

I just think that if that credit policy - bout 80 creds per hour of crunching - is kept by Nano, who of the creds follower will continue to crunch for other projects, which usually are around 10/20 creds per hour? Maybe I overestimate that impact, but I see a chance for Nano to kill the BOINC credit balance between all the BOINC projects (which never was a balance in the first place, but something like a general compromise).

For a long time now, I had the impression that some DC projects - especially the newer ones - tried to "lure" people to their project with higher credit yields. I know, it's all about the science, or at least it should be. But even people I highly esteem - like Johan - say that they're mostly in for the stats. And I don't blame them, it's a fun thing to race in the stats.

Seeing my Nano creds augment so fast, I kinda feel that my other creds become less valuable. Hell, it took ages to get 600,000 overall BOINC creds, to do 160,000 Rosetta creds and so on. I mean, if there was a free give away BOINC creds site, like "click here, get 100 creds", that would be wrong, too.

I really, really hope that the Nano guys can handle this and that the current outburst of creds is just a temporary thing, but to be honest, I doubt it. When I look at my results, I have such a lot of pending creds, all in the high 400s.

Just give it some time, let the word be spread and you'll see large amounts of new members flocking towards Nano, significantly reducing all other BOINC projects' output.





edit: typos

 

[petrusbroder]

I hope that you are wrong, Christian, but fear that you are right.
OTOH: I think/hope that this is a glitch: they have put in some wrong parameter and the credits are messed up.
Now they will need a few days to think over their policy - and to find out what is right.

I have a lot of credits pending - more than 8 000. But I would really prefer that NonoHive would give credit in parity with the other projects - i.e. 10 - 15 credits/hour. That is fully sufficient for me (=17 comps * 24 hours * 10 - 15 credits/hour = 4000 - 6000 credits/day) and that is what I get on one of the best days ...

Edit:
I have posted a message at the NanoHive@home forum lets see if I get an answer!

 

[BlackMountainCow]

If you read the forums, you get the impression, that they don't really see the problem. Whenever somebody asks about the high creds, they just refer to the same post you made a couple of posts ago:

Yesterday we changed the credit claims to be more similar to how other projects work, so you'll see some "woeful" claims and some "project-parity" claims all in the same WU results for a little while. We're making the change retro-active, and fixing all the credit this week, so in the end, it will all be smoothed out.

And of course not many people will go and complain on the official forums about high creds ... I've only seen one guy so far.

 

[BlackMountainCow]

I just posted in the official forums and I saw that Peter did so as well ... let's see and wait how the devs react.

 

[caferace]

Reading around on other team forums, no one is complaining either. But your guys points are well taken. If other project devs see this problem, maybe they'll take the initiative to contact N@H devs and have a chat.

-jim

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Or the other devs up their creds as well ... hehe ...

Cred Wars I - Attack of the Nano Bots
Only at local BOINC platforms
Rated "T" for "Too Much"

:beer:

 

[petrusbroder]

Can you see climateprediction or seti@home doing that? I don't ...
MalariaControl or Protein@home or QMC@Home may though ...

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Nope, not CPDN and SETI. Also, not Einstein or Folding@Home (if they ever go BOINC). BUt especially those "private" projects, like Spinhenge, Malaria, SIMAP and so on.

I now see that more ppl post on the official forums, so I'm really eager to see what the devs will say tomorrow ...

'Night all!

 

[petrusbroder]

G'nite!

 

[Rudy Toody]

Originally posted by: BlackMountainCow

Cred Wars I - Attack of the Nano Bots
Only at local BOINC platforms
Rated "T" for "Too Much"

:roll: :laugh: :shocked: :thumbsup: :thumbsdown:

 

[petrusbroder]

There are several voices now who want a more reasonable credit system for NaoHive@Home.
Here is a "part"-answer to my post --- does not seem very promising yet, so may be we should write more!

 

[caferace]

N@H is already doing "something", though I'm not sure what. I'm now in 1st position for TA. Silverthorne lost a bunch of credits, though I'm not sure why or if I trust the credit pages right now...

http://www.nanohive-1.org/atHome/team_d...eamid=19&sort_by=total_credit&offset=0

1) caferace 108,429.15 9,492.05 United States
2) Silverthorne 94,203.59 7,712.47 United States
3) petrusbroder 44,090.53 3,911.23 Sweden
4) Strebor 39,532.70 3,439.72 United States
5) Rudy Toody 38,327.22 3,371.53 United States
6) idlorj 31,968.02 2,685.94 United States
7) amd.borg 19,607.43 1,676.98 South Africa
8) Christian Diepold 17,027.58 1,448.85 Germany
9) rise 12,890.36 1,151.61 United States
10) TA_andy 6,236.19 513.02 United Kingdom

-jim

 

[petrusbroder]

I agree - they are adjusting the credits somewhat ... but not sufficiently yet.
I think we need to wait until the end of the week - and then we will see.