The communists of course. They are getting in the way of looting the treasury.
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Okay, I'm not really concerned with why people may hate Democrats or whether those reasons are valid...the point is that they do indeed hate them, or strongly dislike them, or whatever you want to call it.
So we have ~250M VAP in Murica. ~66M voted for Hillary and if we really want to quibble, I will say IMO some significant percentage of that 66 even hate Dems but at least acknowledge that GOP is worse. ~63M voted Trump and a huge percentage of those people HATE Democrats, while again, some significant percentage maybe don't hate them but for some strange reason just though President Trump had a nice ring to it. I'm willing to concede that the Dem voters that hate Dems cancel out the GOP voters that do not hate Dems if you are. That leaves us with 66M do not hate Dems, 63M do hate Dems, and we can start to analyze the remaining 121M. We need to find 62M more Americans that hate Democrats for my statement to be true. If there were a way to prove the exact number, would you be willing to put up money that more than half of "independents" don't hate Democrats? Keep in mind that people that hate Republicans and hate Democrats still count as "hating Democrats." Also keep in mind that people that are completely apathetic about politics or hate politics are likely that way because they hate both parties equally. I would certainly not make that bet.
You cannot possibly be this naive.
Yes though, you’re probably right that they wanted to give Trump a half trillion dollars where they could waive whatever terms they wanted and keep recipients secret until after the election for totally non-corrupt reasons.
Like who is genuinely stupid enough to believe that.
soundforbjt
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Yeah, I could totally see his Wall funds magically appearing, just in time for the election (and that's just the tip of the iceberg as to what he'd do).
Talk about picking Winners & Losers...
Talk about picking Winners & Losers...
Watching tonight's PBS news - I'm seeing that loans will be given to small businesses that will be forgiven IF they do maintain their workforce. Anyone else think it's not ridiculous to say that these loans should be paid back if they successfully get them out of the hole and back in business? I'm not saying huge interest rates, or immediate payback - but forgiven just seems pure stupidity....
Of course, at this point until something is passed it's all speculation...
Of course, at this point until something is passed it's all speculation...
dainthomas
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Thank the corporate media who relentlessly #bothsides everything and act like republicans are acting in anything resembling good faith. Democrats are playing by the rulebook from the 60s/70s. All options should be on the table to pass things from the progressive "wish list" as it's better for the country. If republicans can push for bullshit environmental deregulation and giant secret corporate giveaways in the name of "stimulus", then dems are free to try to secure elections and clean energy.
Only a republican would call trying to protect voters from contagious diseases irrelevant. If Dem voters have to wait in lines for hours to vote, then catch the next virus and get sick and die, that's just a bonus for them.
How far can you move those goalposts, anyway? Your original contention was that most Americans hate Democrats, a claim for which you offer no proof other than the "logic" of what you want to believe. It's the simulated rationality of motivated reasoning.
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Feel free to poke a hole in the logic instead of just talking shit and making stupid statements like "moving the goalposts" when they clearly don't apply. If you don't believe me go ahead and try to explain where the goalposts were originally and where you think they are now.
Gawd. Logic dictates that winning the popular vote in 2016 means that most Americans don't hate Democrats. Winning the House in the midterms says the same thing. Start from observable facts, not from your feelings.
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Maybe if more than 50% VAP voted your point would stand. Sadly, roughly 121 million didn't, but I'm sure most of them love Democrats just not enough to actually vote for them when their opponent is the dumbest con man to ever walk the earth.
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Oh look. Democrats approval rating is 35% and disapproval rating is 62%. Totally not because of hatred though, I'm sure.
GOP approval rises, Democrats fall post-impeachment in Gallup poll
A new Gallup poll finds congressional Republicans with a higher approval rating than Democrats in the wake of President Trump’s impeachment and acquittal in the Senate.Republicans get a 40 pe…
www.google.com
JEDIYoda
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oh look, as if that means anything!!!Oh look. Democrats approval rating is 35% and disapproval rating is 62%. Totally not because of hatred though, I'm sure.
GOP approval rises, Democrats fall post-impeachment in Gallup poll
A new Gallup poll finds congressional Republicans with a higher approval rating than Democrats in the wake of President Trump’s impeachment and acquittal in the Senate.Republicans get a 40 pe…www.google.com
Oh look. Democrats approval rating is 35% and disapproval rating is 62%. Totally not because of hatred though, I'm sure.
GOP approval rises, Democrats fall post-impeachment in Gallup poll
A new Gallup poll finds congressional Republicans with a higher approval rating than Democrats in the wake of President Trump’s impeachment and acquittal in the Senate.Republicans get a 40 pe…www.google.com
That’s about equal with republicans and it’s one pollster from two weeks ago.
Don’t cherry pick.
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Hey, I never said Americans don't also hate Republicans.
Also, I'm not trying to cherry pick. If you have access to better statistics please share them. I'm not very good at finding stuff like that myself.
The difference between Democrats' and Republicans' approval ratings of course, as we both know, is that Republicans have earned their dismal ratings while Democrats get those ratings for free.
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All I’m trying to say is that people don’t really care what either one does, much to all of our detriment.
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I'm sure that is the case for a lot of people. Doesn't really explain why Democrats have roughly the same approval ratings as Republicans. Hatred explains it though.
Senate approves historic $2 trillion stimulus deal amid growing coronavirus fears
The Senate on Wednesday approved a historic, $2 trillion stimulus package to provide a jolt to an economy reeling from the coronavirus pandemic, capping days of intense negotiations that produced one of the most expensive and far-reaching measures Congress has ever considered.
www.cnn.com
Stimulus bill was agreed to last night. Still working on the text - but we will see whats in it hopefully today....
Fanatical Meat
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Senate approves historic $2 trillion stimulus deal amid growing coronavirus fears
The Senate on Wednesday approved a historic, $2 trillion stimulus package to provide a jolt to an economy reeling from the coronavirus pandemic, capping days of intense negotiations that produced one of the most expensive and far-reaching measures Congress has ever considered.
Stimulus bill was agreed to last night. Still working on the text - but we will see whats in it hopefully today....
Been reported that the President doesn’t like this bill.
I suspect he will have more limits as to what the money can be spend upon & accounting as to where it goes.
Fenixgoon
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According to Vox
The Senate just passed a $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package. Here’s what’s in it.
The massive legislation includes direct payments, an expansion of unemployment insurance, and loans for small businesses.
www.vox.com
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
- Feb 4, 2009
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According to Vox
The Senate just passed a $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package. Here’s what’s in it.
The massive legislation includes direct payments, an expansion of unemployment insurance, and loans for small businesses.
Honestly I’m okay with the Presidents businesses getting loans or bailout money, provided they qualify under the same rules as everyone else and the money is applied in the same manner as everyone else.
I’m not okay with arguably the greediest man on Earth getting a pool of billions to trillions that he can divvy out in nearly any manner he chooses.
nakedfrog
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Well, that's definitely a good sign.
Payroll tax cut... For employers only? GOP wanted it for both. So clearly DEMOCRATS killed that. Dumb.
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