Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

[nonameo]

IMO they're just watering down the meaning of "minaret" by building them there.

 

[JEDIYoda]

As you posted you are an Israeli Jew, so I am wondering what you think about this http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle/ShowFull

Especially this part
The American Jewish Committee's David Harris echoed these statements. "The referendum result amounts to an attack on the fundamental values of mutual respect," he said.

"While there are certainly understandable concerns in Europe over Islamist extremism, these cannot be legitimately addressed through a blanket assault on Muslim communities and their religious symbols," he added.

I don`t believe you are that stoopid or idiotic not to realize that this whole thread verred away from the Minaret issue....

In fact this whole thread verred towards Muslims in general and strayed away from just the minaret issue....

So once again is your point???

 

[brownzilla786]

I don`t believe you are that stoopid or idiotic not to realize that this whole thread verred away from the Minaret issue....

In fact this whole thread verred towards Muslims in general and strayed away from just the minaret issue....

So once again is your point???

Relax. I was simply asking your opinion. Also, I pointed out his argument about blanket statements, something you and others on here do, to see if you agree or disagree with what he says.

 

[Zebo]

All of you PC Islam defenders are nothing but a bunch of bigot misogynists and homophobes. You are defending a religion which advocates (and enforces) stoning women to death, stoning old women to death just for having an unrelated male deliver her bread, beating up women for every reason, beating up women for being raped through no fault of their own, honour killings, the killing of all Jews and any other "infidel" or any who speaks against Islam, the killing of gays, etc etc. Yeah, those poor, oppressed Muslims.

You're hypocrites, all of you, cowards and hypocrites.

Feel free to call me a racist (Islam is not a race BTW) a bigot or whatever you want to call me, I'll just laugh at you and carry on. It's not about race, it's about Religion (FYI I despise, but respect, ANY religion (as long as they're not trying to kill me) so good luck with calling me a bigot).
They want to turn Western society into one of their shitholes by taking our freedom and removing our rights. Are you so keen on giving away your FREEDOM and your HUMAN RIGHTS? Open your eyes you fools.

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u <-- he speaketh the truth


OT: I'm glad Switzerland has the balls to tell them to f*ck off. If only the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, etc would do the same. Those future Islamic Republics of Europe are so delusional with a false sense of tolerance, multiculturalism and PC that they fail to realize what is really happening. Until the people rebel of course.

Good post. Islams borders are bloody and so are it's innards, everyone knows this - to defend it is sickening.

 

[bfdd]

Doesn't that include the country that we once left because they were too conservative?

If you mean England, which I have no relation to, then no they do not recognize Gay Marriage. They do not call a civil union between people of the same sex "marriage." Sorry bud. Same rights, no word.

 

[Zebo]

The Christian and Jewish nations are wealthy, have basic freedoms, and education.

Pretty sure Hindus fight with Muslims... Pakistan-India.

Everyone fights with Muslims even themselves. 9/10 wars going on right now involve Muslims. As I said it's boarders and innards are bloody. Do you even know about what's going down in Yemen Right now - Saudis are using white phosphorous gunning down shi'a civilians - of course not because the -all-Israel-all-the-time UN won't talk about it because they control the agenda.

 

[Vic]

Christians don't fight each other? Intra-religion/cultural battles are exclusive to Islam and the ME? Wow, news to me...

 

[Zebo]

If the Swiss were smart they would have said no Mosques until the capital of Islam (Saudi) allows Churches, Synagogues, Hindu Puja Temples and so forth.

 

[Vic]

WTF are you smoking? European countries actively fight multiculturalism.

Also, tolerance is not necessarily a positive thing. Acceptance goes beyond tolerance. Tolerance in Europe means that you hate the people, but let them exist. You tolerate their existence. They don't accept them. There is a big difference.

Yeah, you pretty much have to be puffing hard on some serious Tyrone Biggums quality crack to believe that Europeans countries - some of the oldest and purest monocultures on the planet -- are some kind of bastions of diversity and PC. And I'm saying this to posters both right and left.

 

[Zebo]

Christians don't fight each other? Intra-religion/cultural battles are exclusive to Islam and the ME? Wow, news to me...

Not so much. The whole inquisition lasting 200 years only killed 3000 - 5000. One month, any month, of Islamic terror kills that many. But really in the here and now where we live there is only one religion committing carnage in the name of it and their not toting the Bhagavad Gita or Book or Morman.

 

[brownzilla786]

Everyone fights with Muslims even themselves. 9/10 wars going on right now involve Muslims. As I said it's boarders and innards are bloody. Do you even know about what's going down in Yemen Right now - Saudis are using white phosphorous gunning down shi'a civilians - of course not because the -all-Israel-all-the-time UN won't talk about it because they control the agenda.

Yes, Muslims are very bloody. Especially when you compare them to other wars that they were heavily involved in, like Vietnam, World war II...

And since your brought up white phosphorous and gunning down civilians, I hope you also said the same thing against Israel in Gaza.

You are right though, Muslims do fight amongst themselves.

 

[Vic]

If the Swiss were smart they would have said no Mosques until the capital of Islam (Saudi) allows Churches, Synagogues, Hindu Puja Temples and so forth.

Heh. I didn't know Saudi Arabia had built its entire international reputation -- its very reason for existence -- on being an enlightened neutral sanctuary country.

 

[Vic]

Not so much. The whole inquisition lasting 200 years only killed 3000 - 5000. One month, any month, of Islamic terror kills that many. But really in the here and now where we live there is only one religion committing carnage in the name of it and their not toting the Bhagavad Gita or Book or Morman.

Wha? The Inquisition? Christians are fighting against each other right now, not just hundreds of years ago... and your numbers are fucking comical. The Inquisition only killed 3000-5000 over 200 years?.... Dude... really, STFU...

 

[Zebo]

Wha? The Inquisition? Christians are fighting against each other right now, not just hundreds of years ago... and your numbers are fucking comical. The Inquisition only killed 3000-5000 over 200 years?.... Dude... really, STFU...

I gave the highest estimate by historians. Don't like it take it up with them. Official records are 890.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

 

[Vic]

I gave the highest estimate by historians. Don't like it take it up with them. Official records are 890.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

Wow... ignoring every other argument, you have conveniently set up for yourself the most ridiculous straw man in the history of ATPN. You should be very proud!

 

[Zebo]

Yes, Muslims are very bloody. Especially when you compare them to other wars that they were heavily involved in, like Vietnam, World war II...

And since your brought up white phosphorous and gunning down civilians, I hope you also said the same thing against Israel in Gaza.

You are right though, Muslims do fight amongst themselves.

I'll be the last one to defend WWII or Vietnam but neither were carrying the banner of religion.

 

[bfdd]

LOL he must not of read the entire article on Wikipedia if he's using that as a reference.

 

[brownzilla786]

I'll be the last one to defend WWII or Vietnam but neither were carrying the banner of religion.

Which makes it better. Got it.

Anyway, my point is that you cant just make blanket statements like "muslims are bloody", and neglect the countless millions of lives lost due to non-muslims. If you say muslims are bloody then fine, but I would like to hear you argue how us as Americans are any less bloody. As an American, I would argue that we are more bloody, any basic U.S. history lesson will teach you that.

 

[shadow9d9]

If you mean England, which I have no relation to, then no they do not recognize Gay Marriage. They do not call a civil union between people of the same sex "marriage." Sorry bud. Same rights, no word.

So they do. Civil Unions are fine, as long as they gave the same rights. Same thing to me.. don't care about the name.

 

[shadow9d9]

I'll be the last one to defend WWII or Vietnam but neither were carrying the banner of religion.

You don't need to carry the banner for it to have underlying causes not officially declared.

 

[CanOWorms]

Which makes it better. Got it.

Anyway, my point is that you cant just make blanket statements like "muslims are bloody", and neglect the countless millions of lives lost due to non-muslims. If you say muslims are bloody then fine, but I would like to hear you argue how us as Americans are any less bloody. As an American, I would argue that we are more bloody, any basic U.S. history lesson will teach you that.

The era of Islamic expansion was extremely bloody and it's puzzling that people even try to revision it. Will Durant claimed that the expansion into the sub-continent by itself was the bloodiest era of human history.

 

[bfdd]

So they do. Civil Unions are fine, as long as they gave the same rights. Same thing to me.. don't care about the name.

That's what the whole gay marriage thing is about... a fucking name. What fucking drugs have you been on?