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Not good, but we still shouldn't be basing our actions on theirs.
It is called protecting ourselves before they try to do those same actions to us through legislation and threats of violence
Not good, but we still shouldn't be basing our actions on theirs.
It is called protecting ourselves before they try to do those same actions to us through legislation and threats of violence
This thread is moronic. Almost everyone in here is acting like it's reasonable to assume that millions and millions of people all get together and decide what they think, just because they claim the same religion. I have never met any two atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc, who think exactly alike about everything. But apparently summing up what "they" think in a few sentences makes sense when the "they" are hundreds of millions of Muslims.
We don't need a ban on Islam, we need a ban on extremists who think practicing a different religion is sufficient cause to make you their enemy. Which, it goes without saying, could describe quite a few people in THIS thread.
SamurAchzar said:Vic, what you don't seem to understand is that Islam is not just a religion anymore (in fact, it never has been), but rather it's a religion, political movement and form of government all rolled into one.
I've studied the major religions of the world, including Islam, formally in college and of my own accord beyond, which is why I can quote Islamic scripture to support my understanding while all you can do is wave your hands. Also, I don't think our government or any other orchestrated 9/11, you fucking moron.You naivety should surprise me. But then again, you are the guy that thinks the US government orchestrated 9/11. Idiot.
He is asking you to differentiate between the religion and the zealots who ignore the tolerance it promotes.Sure...after you tell me how to differentiate between an Islamist person and an Islamist follower...
Do you associate radical Christians to condemn Christianity as a whole, radical Jews to condemn Judaism as a whole, radical atheists to condemn atheism as a whole, and so on; or are you just making excuses to defend your bigotry against Muslims?Until the radical Islamists are dealt with by the 'mainstream (majority)' Islamists, the entire world will continue to associate them together and you cannot blame them for that given their violent nature.
I've studied the major religions of the world, including Islam, formally in college and of my own accord beyond, which is why I can quote Islamic scripture to support my understanding while all you can do is wave your hands. Also, I don't think our government or any other orchestrated 9/11, you fucking moron.---Just like you think you have aknowledge of physics??? YES-- Sinsear is correct you do think that the fall of WTC was orchestrated by our government. To deny that is to be an out and out liar...I think you need to look in the mirror to see who the moron is...
He is asking you to differentiate between the religion and the zealots who ignore the tolerance it promotes.
Do you associate radical Christians to condemn Christianity as a whole, radical Jews to condemn Judaism as a whole, radical atheists to condemn atheism as a whole, and so on; or are you just making excuses to defend your bigotry against Muslims?-- your examples have nothing to do with the fact thet Christian extremist and Athiest extremist do not strap bomb on to themselves or their loved ones in the name of God...Allah ..etc....
Do you associate radical Christians to condemn Christianity as a whole, radical Jews to condemn Judaism as a whole, radical atheists to condemn atheism as a whole, and so on; or are you just making excuses to defend your bigotry against Muslims?
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Originally Posted by kylebisme
Do you associate radical Christians to condemn Christianity as a whole, radical Jews to condemn Judaism as a whole, radical atheists to condemn atheism as a whole, and so on; or are you just making excuses to defend your bigotry against Muslims?
I don't recall any Radical christians or Jews threatening to kill people over a cartoon.
I don't recall any Radical christians or Jews threatening to kill people over a cartoon.
I don't recall any Radical christians or Jews threatening to kill people over a cartoon.
The US/Christianity is just used as the scapegoat for the countries problems.
Islam is no more to blame for terrorist acts than Christianity is for Hitler.
I am more thankful than I can exclaim that I am not forced at birth to be a muslim or religious follower just because of where I was born and that my government is not ruled by religious extremists
OH.. pretty excited too that I wasn't born female in one of those situations described above
You are a liar, and a moron.Just like you think you have aknowledge of physics??? YES-- Sinsear is correct you do think that the fall of WTC was orchestrated by our government. To deny that is to be an out and out liar...I think you need to look in the mirror to see who the moron is...
My comment has to do with the fact that violent extremism isn't unique to Muslims. That said, the suicide belt was invented by Tamil Tigers, a terrorist group which includes Christians and atheists, along with Hindus.your examples have nothing to do with the fact thet Christian extremist and Athiest extremist do not strap bomb on to themselves or their loved ones in the name of God...Allah ..etc....
So was it every Muslim who drove those planes into those buildings or just 19 Muslims who drove those planes into those buildings?
It never ceases to amaze me what people will rationalize by means of irrational generalizations. I met a black guy who stunk once, so all black people smell. 19 Muslims flew planes into buildings once, so Muslims fly planes into buildings. What fun! No need to think critically when you can generalize!
I'm curious, what would the same people cheering about the Swiss decision here say if the Swiss govt also decided to ban steeples and crosses and church bells? Let's hear it. How would that be any different except through the distorted lens of religious bigotry? For if just one religion is too dangerous to be allowed, why not ban them all? Eh?
You are probably thinking of the European Court of Human Rights. Switzerland is a part of that. However, the ECHR is hardly a slam-dunk case since they've been criticized by human rights groups for allowing restrictions against religious minorities in Europe.
Minarets shouldn't be banned. Leave it up to the cities to decide if it fits with the architecture of the area. The calls to prayer though should violate noise ordinances.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rland-appears-to-have-backed-minaret-ban.html
30 feet is nothing. I think my house is more than that.
But they did kill people who didn't believe in their God.
That was a long time ago, but it didn't require the religion to be abolished for it to stop.
We don't need a ban on Islam, we need a ban on extremists who think practicing a different religion is sufficient cause to make you their enemy. Which, it goes without saying, could describe quite a few people in THIS thread.
Why don't the mainstream Islamists take action against these Radicals (who are supposedly the minority) then??? They don't do a damn thing when the radicals kidnap and then chop someone's head for ransom in the name of Allah...they didn't do a damn thing during the uproar over those cartoons in Denmark. They don't do a damn thing when a suicide bomber takes out 50 civilians in the name of their God.
What does their silence mean? Do they secretly agree with the objectives of these radicals? Or do they live in fear of them and take no action because of the possible violence that may happen to them if they speak out against the Radicals?
In either case, unless they actually do something to stop these Radicals from acting in the name of Islam, the entire world will continue to associate all Islamists together. It is a natural human tendency to do so.
Maybe the world is justified in doing this since no Islamlist, radical or or not, seems to be willing to take any decisive action to stop the violence being committed by the Radicals...why cant someone here answer why the mainstream Islamists do nothing about the Radicals instead of making excuses for them? Why???
No, only bigots like you do that. Let me repeat what you are doing in another scenario. At my University there were 3 crimes committed in the past month. All involved black men mugging students. So by your logic, am I allowed to lump those 3 criminals with other black people because, well, the law abiding black people "take any decisive action to stop the violence". Do you see the problem with this?
For arguments sake, lets say that every mainstream muslim in the world openly went on television and wrote articles about how radical Islam is horrible. Do you really think that would make any difference to them? Just look at the Westboro Baptist Church, all of Christianity opposes what they do , and yet they still do it. Mind you they do not kill anyone, but I hope you understand the argument that the moderates rallying against the radicals will prove anything fruitful is silly. As you stated so astutely, "Maybe in ideal world where we can play with the unicorns and never grow old, I suppose I would agree with some of the things you post here."
So now race (i.e., being black) = religion (i.e., Islamist) ??? I'm confused...
In the case of Westboro, there are many groups protesting them when they show up at funerals....where is the Muslim protest against the radicals?
So you are saying that the killing of these people back then is the same thing is wanting to kill someone over a cartoon?
I don't know about you, but to me that seems like two very different reasons to kill someone over a 'religious' issue...one is significantly more trivial than the other...
It may be imperfect but it's a hell of a lot better for these purposes than anything else in existance. In America they simply redefine the words 'freedom' and 'rights' (and possibly 'human') to ensure they're always compliant with their own laws.