Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

[tvarad]

For all those who are veering this away from the fundamental subject of why Swiss citizens voted solidly to ban minarets, you can rant all you want about why it's everyone else's fault except that of the Muslims. All discussion boards on the subject in mainstream newspapers have 99% support for the ban and, if they had a direct vote, you can bet that the citizens of Germany, UK, France, Denmark, Sweden etc. will vote to place limits on the "separate and more equal" multiculturalism BS that their feckless politicians have foisted on the unsuspecting public over decades. If you can't read the writing on the wall, then you're as clueless as Wiley Coyote rushing headlong into the tunnel with the oncoming train chasing the Road Runner. Wish you all the best in avoiding the train-wreck.

 

[0marTheZealot]

For all those who are veering this away from the fundamental subject of why Swiss citizens voted solidly to ban minarets, you can rant all you want about why it's everyone else's fault except that of the Muslims. All discussion boards on the subject in mainstream newspapers have 99% support for the ban and, if they had a direct vote, you can bet that the citizens of Germany, UK, France, Denmark, Sweden etc. will vote to place limits on the "separate and more equal" multiculturalism BS that their feckless politicians have foisted on the unsuspecting public over decades. If you can't read the writing on the wall, then you're as clueless as Wiley Coyote rushing headlong into the tunnel with the oncoming train chasing the Road Runner. Wish you all the best in avoiding the train-wreck.

Please, the ban is obviously unconstitutional by both the EU's charter and Switzerland's charter. It's going to be overturned on appeal. Major parties, in Siwtzerland and across the EU, have decried the ban.

And discussion boards =/= population. It's like getting advice from a youtube comments section. It's nothing but a cesspool of people who think they know everything.

 

[bfdd]

Please, the ban is obviously unconstitutional by both the EU's charter and Switzerland's charter. It's going to be overturned on appeal. Major parties, in Siwtzerland and across the EU, have decried the ban.

And discussion boards =/= population. It's like getting advice from a youtube comments section. It's nothing but a cesspool of people who think they know everything.

For someone who's educated you sure as hell don't know a lot. Switzerland isn't part of the European Union, so why the fuck would they care what the FUCK their charter says?

 

[Vic]

For all those who are veering this away from the fundamental subject of why Swiss citizens voted solidly to ban minarets, you can rant all you want about why it's everyone else's fault except that of the Muslims. All discussion boards on the subject in mainstream newspapers have 99% support for the ban and, if they had a direct vote, you can bet that the citizens of Germany, UK, France, Denmark, Sweden etc. will vote to place limits on the "separate and more equal" multiculturalism BS that their feckless politicians have foisted on the unsuspecting public over decades. If you can't read the writing on the wall, then you're as clueless as Wiley Coyote rushing headlong into the tunnel with the oncoming train chasing the Road Runner. Wish you all the best in avoiding the train-wreck.

Less than 100 years ago, those same nations were all engaged in atrocities against their Jewish populations as well, and supposedly for the exact same reasons. It was only the horror of the Holocaust that brought an end to that. So if they decide to relive that, but this time with the Muslims, I would not be surprised at all. But just because the Europeans are repeatedly immoral in this regard is no reason for us to back them, or do the same.

IOW, it's your stupid paranoid bullshit that leads to the train-wreck. It's not like you couldn't just pick up any history book and see this happening before over and over again.

 

[0marTheZealot]

For someone who's educated you sure as hell don't know a lot. Switzerland isn't part of the European Union, so why the fuck would they care what the FUCK their charter says?

doh, this is true. I figured since Switzerland is in Europe, they are part of the EU. My bad. Still, the point stands that it is in violation of the Swiss constitution.

 

[Vic]

For someone who's educated you sure as hell don't know a lot. Switzerland isn't part of the European Union, so why the fuck would they care what the FUCK their charter says?

Looked at a map of Europe lately?

But seriously, Switzerland is in decline, now that the other countries in Europe don't fight each other all the time.

 

[bfdd]

Looked at a map of Europe lately?

But seriously, Switzerland is in decline, now that the other countries in Europe don't fight each other all the time.

Europe != European Union. Do you know anything about either?

 

[CanOWorms]

doh, this is true. I figured since Switzerland is in Europe, they are part of the EU. My bad. Still, the point stands that it is in violation of the Swiss constitution.

You are probably thinking of the European Court of Human Rights. Switzerland is a part of that. However, the ECHR is hardly a slam-dunk case since they've been criticized by human rights groups for allowing restrictions against religious minorities in Europe.

 

[bfdd]

Also, I'm perfectly fine with them banning this. As long as they have as stringent a building code for other types of buildings. If not then they should just stfu about it.

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm hoping that the Muslims are in serious decline.

 

[Vic]

Europe != European Union. Do you know anything about either?

Yeah, this changes what I said... how? How many non-EU countries, besides Liechtenstein, border Switzerland? Answer: text

 

[Zorkorist]

Also, I'm perfectly fine with them banning this. As long as they have as stringent a building code for other types of buildings. If not then they should just stfu about it.

You understand that they are banning this because they are Muslim?

It's nothing to do with building codes.

They are just sick and tired of Muslims.

You get that?

 

[bfdd]

Yeah, this changes what I said... how? How many non-EU countries, besides Liechtenstein, border Switzerland? Answer: text

That matters what? Oh yeah it doesn't matter because they aren't part of the European Union. Did you know Canada is boarded on more than 1 side by the United States? I guess they have to abide by what laws and regulations we set in place now too.

 

[bfdd]

You understand that they are banning this because they are Muslim?

It's nothing to do with building codes.

They are just sick and tired of Muslims.

You get that?

Yeah, don't care. I'm fine with people being sick and tired of other people. Like I said as long as EVERY building has to follow this new code and no structures similar to Minarets will be built by anyone, then what's there to complain about? Everyone has to follow the same laws. I think it's dumb, but I don't live there so I don't exactly care all that much.

 

[Vic]

That matters what? Oh yeah it doesn't matter because they aren't part of the European Union. Did you know Canada is boarded on more than 1 side by the United States? I guess they have to abide by what laws and regulations we set in place now too.

Newsflash: I don't give a shit if they're part of the EU or not, nor would that have anything do with any of my arguments in this thread.

Switzerland already has its own religious freedom laws that this clearly runs afoul of, no need for the EU to get involved.

So red herring elsewhere, little boy...

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm trying to tell you, that every building wont have to follow this law.

Just the Muslim buildings.

Do you see? It is an attack on Islam.

 

[Vic]

Yeah, don't care. I'm fine with people being sick and tired of other people. Like I said as long as EVERY building has to follow this new code and no structures similar to Minarets will be built by anyone, then what's there to complain about? Everyone has to follow the same laws. I think it's dumb, but I don't live there so I don't exactly care all that much.

So how are Christian church bells not similar to minarets? Would you agree than that everyone has to follow the same laws?

BTW, you have no right to be 'sick' of other people, any more so than they would ever have right to be 'sick' of you. In fact, it would be antithetical to your "Everyone has to follow the same laws" philosophy to argue that such a right exists, much less be 'fine' with it. If everyone has to follow the same laws, then laws cannot be selective with regards to 'other' people.

 

[bfdd]

I'm trying to tell you, that every building wont have to follow this law.

Just the Muslim buildings.

Do you see? It is an attack on Islam.

That sucks then hopefully like you guys are saying it is unconstitutional and gets overturned.

Vic, you kept trying to point out that Switzerland has something to do with the EU. News flash they don't. So don't try to change the subject and make yourself seem smarter than you really are.

 

[Vic]

Vic, you kept trying to point out that Switzerland has something to do with the EU.

No, I never did. Go back and read again.

 

[CanOWorms]

Newsflash: I don't give a shit if they're part of the EU or not, nor would that have anything do with any of my arguments in this thread.

Switzerland already has its own religious freedom laws that this clearly runs afoul of, no need for the EU to get involved.

So red herring elsewhere, little boy...

The vote amended their constitution. It says in their constitution that Minarets are banned, just like it says that there is religious freedom.

Some are arguing that it's a contradiction, but it's fairly weak so that's why many are considering the ECHR route (which doesn't look too good given their history against religious minorities)

 

[Zorkorist]

That sucks then hopefully like you guys are saying it is unconstitutional and gets overturned.

Vic, you kept trying to point out that Switzerland has something to do with the EU. News flash they don't. So don't try to change the subject and make yourself seem smarter than you really are.

I believe attacks on Muslims are necessary in today's world.

They just don't understand philosophies like "live and let live" or, "turn the other cheek."

I'm done playing with people (dumb as they are) that will drive planes into buildings.

 

[Zorkorist]

One should remember that my attacks are with words, and ideas.

NOT driving planes into buildings.

 

[Vic]

I believe attacks on Muslims are necessary in today's world.

They just don't understand philosophies like "live and let live" or, "turn the other cheek."

I'm done playing with people (dumb as they are) that will drive planes into buildings.

So was it every Muslim who drove those planes into those buildings or just 19 Muslims who drove those planes into those buildings?

It never ceases to amaze me what people will rationalize by means of irrational generalizations. I met a black guy who stunk once, so all black people smell. 19 Muslims flew planes into buildings once, so Muslims fly planes into buildings. What fun! No need to think critically when you can generalize!

 

[Zorkorist]

Answer me this, Vic...

Was it 19 Muslims that drove those planes into the towers?

Or was it a network, a business, funded by Osama Bin Laden, etc?

Since 9/11, there have been more Muslim attacks. Pre-9/11 there were Muslim attacks.

There are what, 8-10 Muslim Countries in he world... yet they attack.

 

[Vic]

Answer me this, Vic...

Was it 19 Muslims that drove those planes into the towers?

Or was it a network, a business, funded by Osama Bin Laden, etc?

Since 9/11, there have been more Muslim attacks. Pre-9/11 there were Muslim attacks.

There are what, 8-10 Muslim Countries in he world... yet they attack.

So every Muslim is complicit then? All 1 billion plus of them?

Answer me this, how are you not a psychopath? You'd think not, but throw in a little mob mentality and bam! it's Dahmer-time, now isn't it?