Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

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ebaycj

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I agree with everything you said, and yet you can't blame the West, 50-60 years on, for the state of the Middle East specifically or Muslims in general. This is just shifting responsibility. If anything, the oppressive regimes - Assad, Mubarak, Saddam at his time, SA, Jordanian King Abdallah - all stand in the way of radical Islamization. Democracy is not the answer for these countries - not yet. It will be so in 100 years, but not today. They need their dictators, so better have ones that are friendly towards us than another Khaminai.

In 100 years, there will be no more oil in the Middle East.

No more oil = no more caring (by pretty much everyone who doesn't live there).
 

kylebisme

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I agree with everything you said, and yet you can't blame the West, 50-60 years on, for the state of the Middle East specifically or Muslims in general. This is just shifting responsibility.
It's been 90 years since the West put the Middle East under it's thumb, and denying responsibility for the ongoing effects of use continuing that is outright absurd.

If anything, the oppressive regimes - Assad, Mubarak, Saddam at his time, SA, Jordanian King Abdallah - all stand in the way of radical Islamization.
Saudi Arabia is all about promoting radical Islamic radicalism, and the brutal secular rergimes we support foment it though their attempts to opress it.

Democracy is not the answer for these countries - not yet. It will be so in 100 years, but not today. They need their dictators, so better have ones that are friendly towards us than another Khaminai.
Do you not realise that Khamenei, and Khomeini before him, came power because Iranians overthrew the Shah, a brutal secular dictator our CIA installed to be "friendly towards us" to the determinate of Iranians, and before that Iran was a progressive democracy?
 

kylebisme

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If someone could explain how Muslims managed to rig those towers to come down it would at least make a more reasonable argument, but it's still absurd to blame the many for the actions of the few regardless.
 

fskimospy

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If someone could explain how Muslims managed to rig those towers to come down it would at least make a more reasonable argument, but it's still absurd to blame the many for the actions of the few regardless.

You already have a thread for the truther insanity, no need to let it spill out.
 

tvarad

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If someone could explain how Muslims managed to rig those towers to come down it would at least make a more reasonable argument, but it's still absurd to blame the many for the actions of the few regardless.

I am sorry. I thought that names like Mohammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehi were Muslim. Silly me. And what's up with all those people who are making such a hue and cry about a Sunday school prank anyway? Wish their parents had disciplined them better.
 

DarkThinker

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I am sorry. I thought that names like Mohammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehi were Muslim. Silly me. And what's up with all those people who are making such a hue and cry about a Sunday school prank anyway? Wish their parents had disciplined them better.

Oh and so is the name Timothy McVeigh..right? Right....
 

kylebisme

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You already have a thread for the truther insanity, no need to let it spill out.
I take on you falsers' nonsense arguments wherever I find them. Suck it up.

I thought that names like Mohammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehi were Muslim.
I'm fairly sure they were in the loose sense of the term anyway, ones who apparently enjoyed strippers and alcohol which the vast majority of the Muslim world has no interest in, but I rather doubt they or any other Muslims were behind rigging the WTC buildings to come down regardless.
 

fskimospy

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I take on you falsers' nonsense arguments wherever I find them. Suck it up.


I'm fairly sure they were in the loose sense of the term anyway, ones who apparently enjoyed strippers and alcohol which the vast majority of the Muslim world has no interest in, but I rather doubt they or any other Muslims were behind rigging the WTC buildings to come down regardless.

Actually I'm pretty sure that you have been repeatedly warned by the moderators here against posting truther things in other threads. Best watch yourself.

It seems like the term truther really gets under your skin too, trying to twist it around into 'falsers' (which really doesn't make much sense. Maybe you should shoot for something like 'credulousers'.) I guess it's because the term has such a negative connection with batshit crazy people. I wonder why that is?
 

kylebisme

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Actually I'm pretty sure that you have been repeatedly warned by the moderators here against posting truther things in other threads.
Well you are wrong.

It seems like the term truther really gets under your skin too, trying to twist it around into 'falsers' (which really doesn't make much sense. Maybe you should shoot for something like 'credulousers'.)
I like being called a truther, at it attests to the fact that I'm among the ones who stand up for the truth of the matter, and I refer to people like yourself as falsers because you make false arguments to contest me.

But again, even for the many of you who are so credulous as to believe the official myth of what happened on 9/11 in spite of the evidence which flagrantly contracts it, citing the attacks as a reason to support oppression of Muslims such as Switzerland voting to ban minarets is a ridiculously absurd example of blaming the many for the actions of a few.
 

SamurAchzar

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Well you are wrong.

But again, even for the many of you who are so credulous as to believe the official myth of what happened on 9/11 in spite of the evidence which flagrantly contracts it, citing the attacks as a reason to support oppression of Muslims such as Switzerland voting to ban minarets is a ridiculously absurd example of blaming the many for the actions of a few.

Very interesting point you're making there. I beg to differ though, I think of it more like a filthy neglected swamp. Keep it there, and it's a pivot for mosquitoes and other annoyances. Wherever you have large, naturally non-integrative Muslim population groups and their mosques, you will find radicalization. That's really not the case with any other religion.
 

Vic

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There’s a large segment of our population that wants to see violent extremism flourish under the banner of Islam. Yet these same people assail Christians, Catholics and any other religion in the same position.

I believe it was the Palestinian conflict that made Muslims a protected liberal minority. How else can you explain atheists defending one religion while condemning all others?

You're a moron. The obvious explanation is that the 'Christians' attacking the religious freedoms of Muslims are the same 'Christians' attacking the religious freedoms of atheists. Duh. If you're so eager to take away (or to see taken away) the rights of a person to practice a religion you disapprove of, how can they expect to be safe to not practice anything at all? Clearly, your desire is to force everyone to practice as you do... or else.

You need to step away from the internet message boards and the TV news and go out into the real world every once and a while. Most liberals aren't atheists. By surrounding yourself with extremism and believing that everyone is an extremist, you've become an extremist yourself.
 

Vic

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Well you are wrong.


I like being called a truther, at it attests to the fact that I'm among the ones who stand up for the truth of the matter, and I refer to people like yourself as falsers because you make false arguments to contest me.

But again, even for the many of you who are so credulous as to believe the official myth of what happened on 9/11 in spite of the evidence which flagrantly contracts it, citing the attacks as a reason to support oppression of Muslims such as Switzerland voting to ban minarets is a ridiculously absurd example of blaming the many for the actions of a few.

Without 9/11, they would cite some other similarly absurd example.

Now kindly STFU and quit trying to derail the thread with your moronic truther bullshit.
 

kylebisme

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I beg to differ though, I think of it more like a filthy neglected swamp. Keep it there, and it's a pivot for mosquitoes and other annoyances. Wherever you have large, naturally non-integrative Muslim population groups and their mosques, you will find radicalization. That's really not the case with any other religion.
It is the case with Judaism according to some, but they are a bunch of moronic bigots much like yourself.
 

Vic

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Very interesting point you're making there. I beg to differ though, I think of it more like a filthy neglected swamp. Keep it there, and it's a pivot for mosquitoes and other annoyances. Wherever you have large, naturally non-integrative Muslim population groups and their mosques, you will find radicalization. That's really not the case with any other religion.

Haven't studied much history, have you?
 

Vic

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Would bringing down two hundred story towers with thousands of people in them be an acceptable substitute?

So you're saying that all the billion-plus Muslims in the world are responsible for that?
 

dahunan

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Well this is a good thread to watch and figure out who the racists are.


Good to see that you support
Osama/al-qaeda
Taliban
Wahabism
Ahminajad of w/e TF his name is
Burkas
lack of rights and freedom for women/gays/other religions

:rolleyes:
 

shadow9d9

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Is there a flourishing Muslim nation outside the Middle East that I haven't heard of?
The West meddled everywhere - Japan, British territories, Germany, Vietnam, Korea you name it - and much more aggressively than in the ME. No one ended up even remotely as fucked as Arab countries in the ME.

It has nothing to do with the West or the USA really, it's a manifestation of Muslim societies. Arabs need someone like Saddam to control them with a steady hand, or else it turns into a tribal mayhem.

China flourishes, Arabs will remain where they are. I don't think they are no content with that.

Maybe that has to do with the oil control in the ME and how we continue to meddle daily because we want control of the oil.. perhaps propping up their dictators while making them rich has made them angry...