Sweden's COVID response - "Oops"

[UNCjigga]

That link up there in jigga's post shows a faulty misinterpretation of data.

Sweden's covid cases are going DOWN, not up. Increased testing finds more infected people, but that's what you'd expect when you test more. The actual number of infected is trending downwards though, by literally every relevant measure (including hospital admissions, patients in critical care and those deceased of the disease.)

Try sourcing next time. Seems like one epidemiologist is promoting that viewpoint but the WHO disagrees.

Swedish Disease Expert Calls WHO's COVID-19 Warning 'A Total Mistake'

Anders Tegnell says the WHO misinterpreted Swedish data when it included Sweden in a list of nations with a resurgence. Days before the WHO warning, Sweden saw a surge of 1,699 new coronavirus cases.

www.npr.org

 

[FaaR]

Try sourcing next time.

Can't be arsed honestly. You want to find the info, you can find it easily enough yourself.

Seems like one epidemiologist is promoting that viewpoint but the WHO disagrees.

The WHO has got it wrong too, it's undoubtedly their bad info your previous weblink is repeating. And it's not just one epidemiologist who has that viewpoint, it's the official Swedish position, substantiated by official facts and statistics. The disease is trending down. End of story.

 

[UNCjigga]

Can't be arsed honestly. You want to find the info, you can find it easily enough yourself.


The WHO has got it wrong too, it's undoubtedly their bad info your previous weblink is repeating. And it's not just one epidemiologist who has that viewpoint, it's the official Swedish position, substantiated by official facts and statistics. The disease is trending down. End of story.

Then why is Sweden opening an inquiry into their response? You think this is just CYA for elected officials?

 

[teejee]

Concerning the situation in Sweden, the number of intensive care patients peaked at 550 (55 per million) and is now at 125 patients (12.5 per million), so at least the severe patients has decreased a lot.

COVID-19 in Swedish intensive care

www.icuregswe.org

And normal hospital patients with Covid-19 has decreased with about a factor of three.

And number of dead per day is getting close to 20 per day (2 per million), it peaked around 90.

 

[FaaR]

Then why is Sweden opening an inquiry into their response? You think this is just CYA for elected officials?

I don't know why, but I doubt it's any sort of CYA thing, that's not part of the political tradition in Sweden. Some might say it's a normal, healthy thing to do after thousands of deaths have occurred, to go through actions taken and analyze what could have been done differently.

Anyway, the things I do for you... WHO backs down, from here: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/who-backar-smittspridningen-stabil-i-sverige (Google machine translation, maybe you can find a better somewhere else.)

WHO backs: The spread of infection in Sweden at a stable level
UPDATED 26 JUNE 2020PUBLISHED 26 JUNE 2020
Anders Tegnell on Friday criticized the WHO after the organization pointed out Sweden and ten other countries as special risk countries where the spread of infection is increasing. Now the organization backs away from the statement of increased spread of infection.
- The proportion of positive test results among those tested is stable, WHO writes in an email to SVT News.
The World Health Organization WHO listed Sweden as one of eleven European countries where health care risks being pushed hard due to increased spread of infection. The Public Health Authority, through Anders Tegnell, immediately struck back.

"Unfortunately, this is a complete misinterpretation of the data," he told SVT on Friday morning.

When SVT reaches Anders Tegnell later in the day he says like this:

- You get even more confused, this is changing from day to day in many countries. You have to be very careful when comparing countries. The data is not wrong, but it is incomplete.

Following the state epidemiologist's criticism, the WHO now backs from its earlier statement that the spread of infection is increasing in Sweden.

WHO: "Stable level"
In an e-mail to SVT Nyheter, the organization writes that there is still a general spread of infection in Sweden and that the number of new confirmed cases per 100,000 inhabitants remains relatively high. On the other hand, there is no increased spread of infection.

“The government has expanded the testing and this is reflected in the number of new cases reported since the beginning of June. However, it is important to note that the proportion of positive test results among those tested is at a stable level, around 12 to 13 percent, ”writes WHO.

Sweden remains on the risk list
The organization also emphasizes that there are several positive trends in Sweden, including that the number of serious coronary cases continues to decrease and that the number of hospitalized intensive care units is decreasing.

But despite the fact that WHO is now reversing the spread of infection, Sweden is still listed as one of eleven risk countries on the organization's website.

On Friday night, WHO European Head of Hans Hans Kluge said that it could have been clearer that the spread of infection was not increasing in Sweden, according to Swedish Radio. On the other hand, it is established that there is still general spread of infection.

- I think the positive message was lost. We want to show our appreciation for the Public Health Authority's many good results, but at the same time it is clear that there is still a clear general spread of infection. That is why we encourage the government and the Public Health Authority to continue to expand public health measures, ”Hans Kluge told SR.

 

[H T C]

I don't know why, but I doubt it's any sort of CYA thing, that's not part of the political tradition in Sweden. Some might say it's a normal, healthy thing to do after thousands of deaths have occurred, to go through actions taken and analyze what could have been done differently.

Anyway, the things I do for you... WHO backs down, from here: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/who-backar-smittspridningen-stabil-i-sverige (Google machine translation, maybe you can find a better somewhere else.)

Perhaps it's like Portugal where the country as a whole is trending down but with several specific areas having "small" outbreaks.

We peaked @ 1302 hospitalized and 271 in ICU and we're currently @ 489 and 73 respectively. Yet, some hospitals in our Lisbon and Tejo River Valley region are nearing capacity, despite the rest of the country having few hospitalized and ICU numbers.

In two months (May 4th to July 4th), our hardest hit region (@ the time), went from 15141 cases to 17723 cases but, during the same time frame, Lisbon and Tejo River Valley region went from 6136 cases to 20273 cases: that's a MASSIVE difference.

The problem is that the vast majority of new cases is concentrated in small areas and, while the rest of the country is actually quite well under the circumstances, this particular region has had to increase it's restrictions because of several small outbreaks that, though small in number, still add up.

 

[Ichinisan]

Then why is Sweden opening an inquiry into their response? You think this is just CYA for elected officials?

Mostly because they failed to protect the vulnerable elderly people.

 

[Greenman]

Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Deaths and hospitalizations are near zero, economy isn't trashed, life is pretty much normal.

 

[cytg111]

Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Deaths and hospitalizations are near zero, economy isn't trashed, life is pretty much normal.

You are really invested in Swedens model being the correct one eh? Emotions get people dead.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Deaths and hospitalizations are near zero, economy isn't trashed, life is pretty much normal.

Too bad were not sweden. If you're trying to insinuate that we shouldn't have done anything, you're ignoring science.

 

[Greenman]

Too bad were not sweden. If you're trying to insinuate that we shouldn't have done anything, you're ignoring science.

Why not look at it scientifically and try to understand why Sweden ended up with a good result from what appeared to be a foolish response? Clearly something worked, and worked fairly well. Just saying "we're not Sweden" isn't science, it's political agenda. Lets figure out why we're not Sweden.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why not look at it scientifically and try to understand why Sweden ended up with a good result from what appeared to be a foolish response? Clearly something worked, and worked fairly well. Just saying "we're not Sweden" isn't science, it's political agenda. Lets figure out why we're not Sweden.

LoL, you're funny. Like you even know what you're talking about.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are really invested in Swedens model being the correct one eh? Emotions get people dead.

dude can't even call it the common almost full scientific name, has to use the Republitard slang for it, but he's so sciency.

 

[cytg111]

Why not look at it scientifically and try to understand why Sweden ended up with a good result from what appeared to be a foolish response? Clearly something worked, and worked fairly well. Just saying "we're not Sweden" isn't science, it's political agenda. Lets figure out why we're not Sweden.

If I am gonna facepalm any harder I am gonna hurt myself.

 

[linkgoron]

Why not look at it scientifically and try to understand why Sweden ended up with a good result from what appeared to be a foolish response? Clearly something worked, and worked fairly well. Just saying "we're not Sweden" isn't science, it's political agenda. Lets figure out why we're not Sweden.

They've got 10 times the number of dead per million vs. their neighbors (Norway and Finland), and five times per million vs Denmark. Their deaths per million is still 15% higher than the US (probably won't stay that way for long though). Such a great response!

 

[ch33zw1z]

They've got 10 times the number of dead vs. their neighbors (Norway and Finland), and their deaths per million is still 15% higher than the US (probably won't stay that way for long though). Such a great response!

And their deaths per 1M population are still higher than U.S. while the US has twice as many cases per 1M population. So congrats, were not Sweden.

Heaven forbid @Greenman starts with the data. It's almost like he has the internet or something.

 

[cytg111]

They've got 10 times the number of dead per million vs. their neighbors (Norway and Finland), and five times per millions vs Denmark. Their deaths per million is still 15% higher than the US (probably won't stay that way for long though). Such a great response!

Its the Trumpian way. Lie about it.

Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.
Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all. Was just looking at Sweden's wuflu numbers a moment ago. It appears that their lack of response wasn't a bad idea after all.

At some point it becomes reality, just like that.

 

[cytg111]

... Lets figure out why we're not Sweden.

Ill just give you one out of a thousand reasons.
25% of Sweden does not believe in fucked up conspiracy shit cooked up by randcom fucknuggets and fucknuggets with a political agenda of destroying minds. They be educated motherfuckers too? How did they get educated? They took someone elses money and socialized education for everybody, those mothereffers, THIEVES the lot of them. Communist scum. *SPITS*.

SO THEY PUT ON A MASK. for one.

Listen to the science, what the actual f dude.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This forum just proves the notion of "Why use facts when you can just use your feelings instead?"

 

[cytg111]

This forum just proves the notion of "Why use facts when you can just use your feelings instead?"

You know how to spell the word but I doubt you understand it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You know how to spell the word but I doubt you understand it.

He's just trollin.

 

[Greenman]

They've got 10 times the number of dead per million vs. their neighbors (Norway and Finland), and five times per millions vs Denmark. Their deaths per million is still 15% higher than the US (probably won't stay that way for long though). Such a great response!

All correct. But looking at the numbers, they appear to be on the down hill side. That could well change, but there doesn't appear to be any reason for that to happen. The numbers at the end of a year will tell the tale, but right now it looks like they simply went through it.

 

[cytg111]

Thats an alarmingly ignorant statement.

Anyway.

Did Sweden's coronavirus strategy succeed or fail?

Despite global criticism, Sweden has seen a drop in serious Covid cases without ever having a lockdown.

www.bbc.com

Sweden has largely relied on voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and avoiding public transport.

There's also been a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants. The government has repeatedly described the pandemic as "a marathon not a sprint", arguing that its measures are designed to last in the long term.

Do you understand how that cant work in Trumplandia?
You cant have a fucking war on masks and attempt what Sweden did.
Fuck its stupid and moronic that I have to type this out to someone.
Shit.

Even if we agreed on some imaginary metrics that resulted in Swedens strategy being better than say Norway or Finland, it would NEVER EVER EVER *EVER* work for YOU. Never.

 

[linkgoron]

All correct. But looking at the numbers, they appear to be on the down hill side. That could well change, but there doesn't appear to be any reason for that to happen. The numbers at the end of a year will tell the tale, but right now it looks like they simply went through it.

Of course there's a reason, they've started social distancing.

Startpage

www.government.se

COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On 16 March 2020, they also recommended that employers should recommend their employees work from home. One month later, statistics showed that roughly half the Swedish workforce was working from home. The following day, the agency recommended that secondary schools and universities use distance learning, with schools following suit all over the country

[...]

In April, many of the organisations running the public transport systems for the Swedish counties had reported a 50% drop in public transport usage, including Kalmar Länstrafik in Kalmar County, Skånetrafiken in Skåne County, Stockholm Public Transit in Stockholm County, and Västtrafik in Västra Götaland County. In Stockholm, the streets grew increasingly emptier, with a 30% drop in the number of cars, and 70% fewer pedestrians.

 

[ch33zw1z]

All correct. But looking at the numbers, they appear to be on the down hill side. That could well change, but there doesn't appear to be any reason for that to happen. The numbers at the end of a year will tell the tale, but right now it looks like they simply went through it.

Good for them. They're death rate is 7% and the country has 10 million people.

Ours is 3% and has 330 million people.

Care to do the math?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/17/how-sweden-fought-coronavirus-and-what-went-wrong.html

You can't have a culture of personal responsibility and science believers in a country like the USA where those things arent the mainstream.