SWAT Kills Maryland Mayor's dogs

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TehMac

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Originally posted by: mugs


Did you guys read the whole article? The drugs were sent by someone in California and intercepted at the FedEx facility in Maryland. The police delivered the drugs to the recipient they were addressed to. That is not entrapment.

The literacy levels in AT are demoralizingly low.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: mugs


Did you guys read the whole article? The drugs were sent by someone in California and intercepted at the FedEx facility in Maryland. The police delivered the drugs to the recipient they were addressed to. That is not entrapment.

The literacy levels in AT are demoralizingly low.

We realized after that post that I had read that information elsewhere.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.

oh a few brougt that up. some asked abotu even stopping htem. say a red car was used in a robbery. you happen to own a red car and get pulled over. they find out its not you and let you on your way.

many asked would you say sorry for waisting you time you are free to go. one Cop refused to apologize. saying thats not his job.

apologizing would not lead to a law suit. only thing it would do is make people feel better about the cops.
 

Bulk Beef

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

That may be true in most jurisdictions, but PG county has a long history of abuses.

Yes, including an officer that is in jail for 45 years for killing two furniture delivery men.

That's terrific that a bad cop went to jail, but it didn't prevent this incident from happening, it didn't prevent jail guards from strangling Ronnie White to death in his cell last month, it didn't prevent a K9 officer from letting her dog take a bite out of a non-resisting homeless dude a few years ago, blah, blah, blah... what most people would call a pattern of abuse. Like I said, PG county is not most jurisdictions.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: waggy
how many would actually call the police if recieved it? would you honestly trust them to NOT arrest you over it?

while i think 95% are good and honest they do look for any reason to bust a person.

My reason for not calling the police has nothing to do with fear of getting arrested.

Like I said above, I wouldn't call the police unless I am very suspicious(meaning it's either the 2nd time I'm receiving the same package from the same/different sender address, or I am absolutely sure that it's drugs or some illegal substance.

If I am not sure what it is the 1st time and it doesn't stink up the whole house, it's going in the trash mainly because it's a package I wasn't expecting. All the other reasons are pretty much moot.

I don't waste time opening credit card offers or junk mail. I just dump them in the paper shredder with the envelopes sealed just like that.
I would think dumping an unexpected package in the trash or a paper shredder would be safer than standing there to open it 6 inches from one's face.
 

alkemyst

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cops probably had the drugs delivered to this mayor in retailation for their 'brothers' not getting major pay raises or something.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
cops probably had the drugs delivered to this mayor in retailation for their 'brothers' not getting major pay raises or something.

Or it was part of a drug ring that did this sort of thing where people have already been arrested.

Either or.
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
cops probably had the drugs delivered to this mayor in retailation for their 'brothers' not getting major pay raises or something.

Only problem with that is that the Berwyn Heights mayor has no say in the pay of the Prince Georges County police. His department went on the record that day this went down criticizing the operation and the lack of notification to them that it was taking place in their jurisdiction.
 

FlashG

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.
Then they deserve to be sued and prosecuted if need be. The responsibility for these type of carless actions need to be pushed up to the decision makers.

 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Anubis

the mayor dude /wife woudl NOT have smelled anything and had no reason to suspect the package woudl contain drugs, there was no way for them to know untll it was opened,

Not everyone knows what pot smells like. ;)

Exactly my point.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Lothar
The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything.
How about the people who executed the dogs?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

what about the people wxecuting the order that shot a dog running away?
 

QueBert

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I think people are missing something here, maybe his dogs were killed because they were BLACK Labs. The SWAT team saw they were Labs, but also saw they were black and well, you know got confused and killed them. I wonder if they sprinkled crack on the dead dogs.

You can't even be a black dog in America without living in fear. And as big as they can get, I find Lab's to be the most non threating dogs ever.
 

Josh

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.

oh a few brougt that up. some asked abotu even stopping htem. say a red car was used in a robbery. you happen to own a red car and get pulled over. they find out its not you and let you on your way.

many asked would you say sorry for waisting you time you are free to go. one Cop refused to apologize. saying thats not his job.

apologizing would not lead to a law suit. only thing it would do is make people feel better about the cops.

That's funny, because my friend was just in a similar situation but the cops just assumed it was the robber. Friend is driving along the main street in town, cops pull him over, draw their weapons (including a shotgun) and force him out of his car to lay down on the ground hands and legs spread. Arrest him, find out he's just an average Joe who's family has been residents of the town for 75+ years. Needless to say, he's currently suing the shit out of them.
 

Pocatello

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Originally posted by: jonks
This never would have happened to golden labs. racism strikes again.

This is an outrage! Al Sharpton and companies will have something to say on CNN about this.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

Bullshit. Cops get suspension with pay. Worst thing that happens is losing their job. Cops rarely go to jail.
 

Throckmorton

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I don't get it. The cops knew that the scheme involved someone picking the packages up from the porches of the houses they were delivered to, and not actual residents, so what reason did they have to bust in? Because he took the box inside?
If I get a 32lb package, of course I'm going to take it inside, whether or not I'm expecting something. If it's addressed to me I'll open it too, because it could be a present. If everyone who got an unexpected delivery notified the police, that would be all the cops ever dealt with.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I don't get it. The cops knew that the scheme involved someone picking the packages up from the porches of the houses they were delivered to, and not actual residents, so what reason did they have to bust in? Because he took the box inside?
If I get a 32lb package, of course I'm going to take it inside, whether or not I'm expecting something. If it's addressed to me I'll open it too, because it could be a present. If everyone who got an unexpected delivery notified the police, that would be all the cops ever dealt with.

they didnt have a warrent to go into the house. they were there to catch the guy who was to pick up the box. the people at the house got the box and took inside. the cops excuse is that before they could flush away the evidance they had to get inside. so the no-knock warrent hit.

it took days to show the poeple in the house a warrent. (took a while to get a judge to sign it i think)

either way its going to be a nasty lawsuit.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.

oh a few brougt that up. some asked abotu even stopping htem. say a red car was used in a robbery. you happen to own a red car and get pulled over. they find out its not you and let you on your way.

many asked would you say sorry for waisting you time you are free to go. one Cop refused to apologize. saying thats not his job.

apologizing would not lead to a law suit. only thing it would do is make people feel better about the cops.

That's funny, because my friend was just in a similar situation but the cops just assumed it was the robber. Friend is driving along the main street in town, cops pull him over, draw their weapons (including a shotgun) and force him out of his car to lay down on the ground hands and legs spread. Arrest him, find out he's just an average Joe who's family has been residents of the town for 75+ years. Needless to say, he's currently suing the shit out of them.

he wont win.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.

oh a few brougt that up. some asked abotu even stopping htem. say a red car was used in a robbery. you happen to own a red car and get pulled over. they find out its not you and let you on your way.

many asked would you say sorry for waisting you time you are free to go. one Cop refused to apologize. saying thats not his job.

apologizing would not lead to a law suit. only thing it would do is make people feel better about the cops.

That's funny, because my friend was just in a similar situation but the cops just assumed it was the robber. Friend is driving along the main street in town, cops pull him over, draw their weapons (including a shotgun) and force him out of his car to lay down on the ground hands and legs spread. Arrest him, find out he's just an average Joe who's family has been residents of the town for 75+ years. Needless to say, he's currently suing the shit out of them.

he wont win.


with what little info we have you are right.
 

FlashG

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Anubis

the mayor dude /wife woudl NOT have smelled anything and had no reason to suspect the package woudl contain drugs, there was no way for them to know untll it was opened,

Not everyone knows what pot smells like. ;)

Exactly my point.
I'm one of those people. If I got a box of herbes delivered to my door I'd think it was catnip from my sister inlaw.
 

Josh

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.

oh a few brougt that up. some asked abotu even stopping htem. say a red car was used in a robbery. you happen to own a red car and get pulled over. they find out its not you and let you on your way.

many asked would you say sorry for waisting you time you are free to go. one Cop refused to apologize. saying thats not his job.

apologizing would not lead to a law suit. only thing it would do is make people feel better about the cops.

That's funny, because my friend was just in a similar situation but the cops just assumed it was the robber. Friend is driving along the main street in town, cops pull him over, draw their weapons (including a shotgun) and force him out of his car to lay down on the ground hands and legs spread. Arrest him, find out he's just an average Joe who's family has been residents of the town for 75+ years. Needless to say, he's currently suing the shit out of them.

he wont win.


with what little info we have you are right.

Why? I hope he proves you both wrong and I think he will. The cops in this town have been out of control lately, it's a small town with relatively no crime yet they felt the need to double the police force with young hard-headed police officers, hire detectives and give them all sorts of new cars/weapons/etc. This town is known for taking care of its citizens especially ones that have lived there for many years, the new cops don't realize that and the police force actaully has 3 lawsuits pending against them all for similar charges.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

Bullshit. Cops get suspension with pay. Worst thing that happens is losing their job. Cops rarely go to jail.

EXACTLY. A few officers go to jail, but that is an extremely rare occurance (and generally involves murder or extreme corruption while NOT on duty).