SWAT Kills Maryland Mayor's dogs

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waggy

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Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

its not entrapment. though i think if hte police know its a scam theys hould be able to raid the house and arrest/search it.

they screwed up. they should have notified the owners of the house the local police etc so everyone knew not to get the damn package.

if they had done that 2 dogs would be alive =(
 

ryan256

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

Ok... sorry but the way the article reads it sounds like the cops sent them.
 

Anubis

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tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

Ok... sorry but the way the article reads it sounds like the cops sent them.

that still does not change the fact that this was handled 100% wrong, its not like the cops couldent have looked up where it was going and figured that they didnt need to bust in with a swat team and kill things
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

Ok... sorry but the way the article reads it sounds like the cops sent them.

that still does not change the fact that this was handled 100% wrong, its not like the cops couldent have looked up where it was going and figured that they didnt need to bust in with a swat team and kill things

Your problem is that you are bringing logic into the equation
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: Linflas

Fine then the cops see that you threw it out which would be a pretty good indication that you had nothing to do with having it sent to you in the first place. The problem here is that far too many of my fellow countrymen seem to operate on the assumption that innocence must be proved which is totally opposite of everything I was taught to expect when dealing with the legal system in this country. Sadly this is all a direct result of an endless series of little steps down the slippery slope that we have been taking ever since the whole "war on drugs" was started.

This is the best post in the history of posting at ATOT that was not posted by me.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

Ok... sorry but the way the article reads it sounds like the cops sent them.

that still does not change the fact that this was handled 100% wrong, its not like the cops couldent have looked up where it was going and figured that they didnt need to bust in with a swat team and kill things

Your problem is that you are bringing logic into the equation


god damn logic

hold on lemme get more beer to combat it
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: Linflas

Fine then the cops see that you threw it out which would be a pretty good indication that you had nothing to do with having it sent to you in the first place. The problem here is that far too many of my fellow countrymen seem to operate on the assumption that innocence must be proved which is totally opposite of everything I was taught to expect when dealing with the legal system in this country. Sadly this is all a direct result of an endless series of little steps down the slippery slope that we have been taking ever since the whole "war on drugs" was started.

This is the best post in the history of posting at ATOT that was not posted by me.

damnit why
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

Well at least that is their story now that this whole mess happened.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Linflas
This has been a big story here since it happened last week. The part I really don't get is what they hoped to accomplish by busting into the house right after they took in the package. I would think they would have at least waited long enough for them to open it and discover the contents. If they were not the intended recipients then they likely would have called the police and if they were the intended recipients they would have started doing whatever it is you do with that much pot. Then again the PG county cops are legendary around this area for their brutality and incompetence so this incident is not much of a surprise coming from them.

I'm not a drug expert.
I don't know what marijuana(or other drugs) smells like. When I smell something that doesn't seem right, I get away ASAP.

I do know that it looks like a 5 leaf clover thingy based on website advertisements at IGN. That's all I know.
I'm sure my mom doesn't know what it looks or smells like either.

If I receive such a package, it's going straight into the trash. Why is it my obligation to call the police if I can't tell the difference between a marijuana leaf and 5 blades of grass or some other leaf plant?

If I receive a package with both my name and address on it, and I never requested such product, it's going in the trash.
Forget forwarding to the post office or return to sender.
You don't know what weed smells like? Huh? And neither does your mom?.... How old are you?
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: Linflas

Fine then the cops see that you threw it out which would be a pretty good indication that you had nothing to do with having it sent to you in the first place. The problem here is that far too many of my fellow countrymen seem to operate on the assumption that innocence must be proved which is totally opposite of everything I was taught to expect when dealing with the legal system in this country. Sadly this is all a direct result of an endless series of little steps down the slippery slope that we have been taking ever since the whole "war on drugs" was started.

This is the best post in the history of posting at ATOT that was not posted by me.

damnit why

troof
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Linflas
This has been a big story here since it happened last week. The part I really don't get is what they hoped to accomplish by busting into the house right after they took in the package. I would think they would have at least waited long enough for them to open it and discover the contents. If they were not the intended recipients then they likely would have called the police and if they were the intended recipients they would have started doing whatever it is you do with that much pot. Then again the PG county cops are legendary around this area for their brutality and incompetence so this incident is not much of a surprise coming from them.

I'm not a drug expert.
I don't know what marijuana(or other drugs) smells like. When I smell something that doesn't seem right, I get away ASAP.

I do know that it looks like a 5 leaf clover thingy based on website advertisements at IGN. That's all I know.
I'm sure my mom doesn't know what it looks or smells like either.

If I receive such a package, it's going straight into the trash. Why is it my obligation to call the police if I can't tell the difference between a marijuana leaf and 5 blades of grass or some other leaf plant?

If I receive a package with both my name and address on it, and I never requested such product, it's going in the trash.
Forget forwarding to the post office or return to sender.
You don't know what weed smells like? Huh? And neither does your mom?.... How old are you?

im 34 and i don't know what wees smells like. granted nobody i know smokes it. i did try it at 14 once though.
 

holden j caufield

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this isn't a case about the war on drugs it's about negligence on the police dept. Did they seriously not know who the residents were ? They was a case not long ago I think in Ariz. where they busted in the wrong house and killed the wrong people? I'd think if you do this type of thing you'd cross your t's and dot you i's so you're 1000% correct. And I don't ever get the point of a police department investigating their own. Just seems like to big a conflict of interest.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: holden j caufield
this isn't a case about the war on drugs it's about negligence on the police dept. Did they seriously not know who the residents were ? They was a case not long ago I think in Ariz. where they busted in the wrong house and killed the wrong people? I'd think if you do this type of thing you'd cross your t's and dot you i's so you're 1000% correct. And I don't ever get the point of a police department investigating their own. Just seems like to big a conflict of interest.

You are wrong. You need an holistic and historic view of life in the USA to come to this conclusion, but none the less, this action is the DIRECT RESULT of having a so-called war on drugs.

I know what I am going to write on your tombstone.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???


yeah the police delivered it (they had cought the guy who was delivering it). they were there to bust the person to pick it up.

the cops knew of the scam before the raid.

 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
You don't know what weed smells like? Huh? And neither does your mom?.... How old are you?

I can't speak for Lothar, but I'm 24 and I don't know what weed smells like. I know I have smelled it a few times because sometimes my friends will smell it and say "whoa you smell that?" but by the time they tell me it's weed, the smell is gone and I can't commit it to memory.

I have never smoked weed (or anything else) and I've never even been around people who were smoking it.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sygyzy
I am not sure where the confusion is here. There certainly seems to be at least 2-3 diffrent interpretations of what happened. According to the OP, the drugs were sent to "unknowing" recipients then intercepted. If you guys are old enough to remember AOL phishing and then you know what drop shipments are. Basically a criminal will steal a CC and buy something (usually laptops) and ship it to an abandoned house in his town, Or a house where he knows the owners are on vacation. The UPS man leaves it at the door and the criminal comes back later to pick it up.

This is a very similar scheme here. The mayor did not order the drugs. He's not part of a scheme. Bad guys shipped him drugs he had no idea about.

I may be mistaken but that's how I read it.

That is known now, but it the way the articles read it is not clear if the police knew at the time that the scheme involved the FedEx guy delivering drugs to random houses to be picked up by an accomplice. The way I read it, I think they thought the mayor's wife was the intended recipient. I don't think they were expecting to bust some other guy who would come pick up the package, I think they were expecting to bust the mayor's wife.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.

if that was the case you would hear of it more.

now im not saying don't insist on your rights or hell even TRUST the cop. they are there to make a bust. no matter if you are a victim of a crime.

most will do/say anything (within) the law to get a bust. but most will not plant evidance or steal from a person etc.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.

How many cops have you had personal interactions with? I've had contact with a lot, both through traffic stops (a lot of traffic stops :eek: ) and as an employee at a convenience store. I only ever met ONE who I considered an asshole, out of dozens.
 

Scarpozzi

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That sucks. The police could have asked them to restrain their dogs rather than killing them. The problem here is that killing someone's dogs is viewed as destruction of property. Dogs don't have the same rights as people...though owners become very attached to their beloved pets.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.

How many cops have you had personal interactions with? I've had contact with a lot, both through traffic stops (a lot of traffic stops :eek: ) and as an employee at a convenience store. I only ever met ONE who I considered an asshole, out of dozens.


Naturally, you have missed the entire fucking point, Ms. Bogues.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Naturally, you have missed the entire fucking point, Ms. Bogues.

You're an admitted troll, so I'm not going to waste my time with you beyond telling you to fuck off.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Naturally, you have missed the entire fucking point, Ms. Bogues.

You're an admitted troll, so I'm not going to waste my time with you beyond telling you to fuck off.

Yes, that's easier, isn't it? Perhaps you should just label me an internet terrorist? I should just be on a watch list (watching you flush your civil liberties down the toilet).

The fact is this, when I observe someone making a complete idiot of themselves on a forum, I like to point that out to them in a way that is certain to get attention. I do so enjoy pointing out just exactly how people are stupid. The thing is, it usually makes them smarter.

Troll... I like to think of myself as more of THE SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Naturally, you have missed the entire fucking point, Ms. Bogues.

You're an admitted troll, so I'm not going to waste my time with you beyond telling you to fuck off.

don't feed it.