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SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Naturally, you have missed the entire fucking point, Ms. Bogues.

You're an admitted troll, so I'm not going to waste my time with you beyond telling you to fuck off.

don't feed it.

Yummy, another puppy following me around.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Do you work for a PD or something? How many times have you been to a PD briefing room?

I've been a patrol /street cop for over 2 years and i only had a couple drug arrests. Why? let's just say i'm too busy chasing radio calls.

What is your experience? Miami Vice or COPS don't count

Yet, you're an admitted cop impostor?

 

BoberFett

Lifer
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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Sorry, but police force has made getting revenue and drug arrests their number on priority neither one are good or honest.

A decent size police dept has different divisions to deal with different tasks.

Motor division = traffic enforcement
Patrol div = calls for service
Narc div = drugs
Detective div = investigation
Gang div = gang enforcement


you get the point...or maybe you don't

Right they are just diving up how to enforce the drug laws. You have the patrol division that harasses users and low level sellers. The Narc division that targets high level sellers and tries to get the big busts. The detectives who investigates the crime comitted because of the war on drugs. And then you have the Gang units that try and break up the large criminal enterprises that the war on drugs created. Lastly you have the traffic enforcement division that is out their raising money.

Do you work for a PD or something? How many times have you been to a PD briefing room?

I've been a patrol /street cop for over 2 years and i only had a couple drug arrests. Why? let's just say i'm too busy chasing radio calls.

What is your experience? Miami Vice or COPS don't count

Sounds like a pretty accurate assessment to me.

Drugs, crime, murder, gangs... they're all directly related to the war on drugs. If you don't understand that, well, maybe that's why your a cop and not doing a job that requires intelligence.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Feb 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Sorry, but police force has made getting revenue and drug arrests their number on priority neither one are good or honest.

A decent size police dept has different divisions to deal with different tasks.

Motor division = traffic enforcement
Patrol div = calls for service
Narc div = drugs
Detective div = investigation
Gang div = gang enforcement


you get the point...or maybe you don't

Right they are just diving up how to enforce the drug laws. You have the patrol division that harasses users and low level sellers. The Narc division that targets high level sellers and tries to get the big busts. The detectives who investigates the crime comitted because of the war on drugs. And then you have the Gang units that try and break up the large criminal enterprises that the war on drugs created. Lastly you have the traffic enforcement division that is out their raising money.

Do you work for a PD or something? How many times have you been to a PD briefing room?

I've been a patrol /street cop for over 2 years and i only had a couple drug arrests. Why? let's just say i'm too busy chasing radio calls.

What is your experience? Miami Vice or COPS don't count

Sounds like a pretty accurate assessment to me.

Drugs, crime, murder, gangs... they're all directly related to the war on drugs. If you don't understand that, well, maybe that's why your a cop and not doing a job that requires intelligence.

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SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.

How many cops have you had personal interactions with? I've had contact with a lot, both through traffic stops (a lot of traffic stops :eek: ) and as an employee at a convenience store. I only ever met ONE who I considered an asshole, out of dozens.

You missed the point. It is not that 90% of cops are general assholes. The officers that did the above actions do not feel bad about it because they were just "following orders." Cops (more or less) tend to do whatever they are told to do, regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and then hide behind their badge when there is a public outcry.

And yes, I have interacted with a fair number of officers (though not on a regular basis) and would say this holds true in my experience.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.

How many cops have you had personal interactions with? I've had contact with a lot, both through traffic stops (a lot of traffic stops :eek: ) and as an employee at a convenience store. I only ever met ONE who I considered an asshole, out of dozens.

You missed the point. It is not that 90% of cops are general assholes. The officers that did the above actions do not feel bad about it because they were just "following orders." Cops (more or less) tend to do whatever they are told to do, regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and then hide behind their badge when there is a public outcry.

And yes, I have interacted with a fair number of officers (though not on a regular basis) and would say this holds true in my experience.

You just made my shit list, pal.

A. I already said that.

B. When someone comes, and because of idiocy and blindness (both literal and figurative), makes straw man arguments regarding anything of substance, you do not refute them with logic. Rather you tell them they are dumb and leave them to figure out why you think so. This way it requires effort on their part to correct their flaws. You doing it for "her", makes her stupider and more inclined to unhealthy dependence.

Don't even bother with a reply, Mugsy Bogues; you're on my ignore list.

BTW, are you a lesbian catwoman librarian progressive feminazi, who's a little heavier on the brains and belly? Would people who know you describe you as spunky or feisty? Perhaps you ride a Harley? Mugs, just strikes me a nickname that someone like that would use.

Ahhh ya caught me! You're not on my ignore list.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Really? Must be the 90% that people here have never met. A cop can be a good, hardworking, honest person and still trample all over the rights of a person in the name of following orders/the law.

How many cops have you had personal interactions with? I've had contact with a lot, both through traffic stops (a lot of traffic stops :eek: ) and as an employee at a convenience store. I only ever met ONE who I considered an asshole, out of dozens.

You missed the point. It is not that 90% of cops are general assholes. The officers that did the above actions do not feel bad about it because they were just "following orders." Cops (more or less) tend to do whatever they are told to do, regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and then hide behind their badge when there is a public outcry.

And yes, I have interacted with a fair number of officers (though not on a regular basis) and would say this holds true in my experience.

Almost none of the things that people complain about cops doing are the results of direct orders, so I really don't think that's the case. Let me put it this way - in all of my interactions with cops in any capacity, I only had one negative experience. I agree with waggy's assessment that 90% of cops are good, because that matches my experience.
 

Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

I'm guessing you've been to jail a few times on drug charges


btw, do you have a job? does your job have a policy/orders?

btw, do you have a job?

 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: mugs

Almost none of the things that people complain about cops doing are the results of direct orders, so I really don't think that's the case. Let me put it this way - in all of my interactions with cops in any capacity, I only had one negative experience. I agree with waggy's assessment that 90% of cops are good, because that matches my experience.

An order does not need to be directly given to be an order. IMO there are three general issues in play here:

1) A lack of respect by police officers of the citizens
2) Lack of accountability
3) Lax oversight

Was what the officers did here wrong? Absolutely. In similar cases like this the argument was that the officers were acting on a credible lead/tip/information. The general issue here is that the police force is the one that polices itself. Here we as citizens can say that it was the wrong course of action, but ultimately the victim has no real recourse. Yes, they can sue, and even sometimes win, but that is generally only in cases where the violations were extreme. People are not held accountable for the smaller incidents.
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: mugs

Almost none of the things that people complain about cops doing are the results of direct orders, so I really don't think that's the case. Let me put it this way - in all of my interactions with cops in any capacity, I only had one negative experience. I agree with waggy's assessment that 90% of cops are good, because that matches my experience.

An order does not need to be directly given to be an order. IMO there are three general issues in play here:

1) A lack of respect by police officers of the citizens
2) Lack of accountability
3) Lax oversight

Was what the officers did here wrong? Absolutely. In similar cases like this the argument was that the officers were acting on a credible lead/tip/information. The general issue here is that the police force is the one that polices itself. Here we as citizens can say that it was the wrong course of action, but ultimately the victim has no real recourse. Yes, they can sue, and even sometimes win, but that is generally only in cases where the violations were extreme. People are not held accountable for the smaller incidents.

It also helps to be a mayor, but that doesn't guarantee anything.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: tboo
Generally Im for the cops in most cop-rant threads posted in this forum but this one makes me sick to my stomach. I have a labrador & have had labradors. They are very gentle non-aggressive dogs. This was the mayor of the town-the cops knew what kind of dogs he had. They didnt have to shoot them.

Actually that is another issue. The town has it's own police force but due to some strange Maryland thing the county police evidently have jurisdiction there as well and the county police did not even have the common courtesy to notify the town police that they were going to be conducting this raid in their town.

Yes, this was very likely the mistake of one man at the county police force with a big ego who got wind of a possible drug drop and ordered his men into a "known house".

I'm not defending the police necessarily, but the team probably just recieved an order to go raid a potentially dangerous drug dealer's house. They don't have the time or means to research the facts, they are a SWAT team. And so, they obviously treated it like a potentially dangerous drug dealer raid.

That's crap. They had been tracking the package since Arizona from the article I read! Plus where is the DEA? I believe they have jurisdiction for inter-state drug matters not the county sheriff. They'll have to explain why the DEA wasn't notified if in fact they weren't. To the poster you're replying to, it's not a strange law. All county police departments have jurisdiction in the county even in cities, but they cannot enforce local laws. That's why they didn't notify the local police department. The problem is they didn't research the people they were raiding, ie background check for the win! I mean come on, they're sending the packaging from California, and they knew since it was in Arizona that it contained drugs. They should have researched the sender and recipient by then. Oh wait, these are the same dirt bags that kill people in their jails. Go figure they can't do real work. Fire Sheriff and his dirtbags!
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

It was addressed to his wife, dumbass! He isn't required to know everything she's expecting. :roll:
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: FlashG
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Anubis

the mayor dude /wife woudl NOT have smelled anything and had no reason to suspect the package woudl contain drugs, there was no way for them to know untll it was opened,

Not everyone knows what pot smells like. ;)

Exactly my point.
I'm one of those people. If I got a box of herbes delivered to my door I'd think it was catnip from my sister inlaw.

Chances are that package would not have 'smelled'.

The cops had no reason for this kind of approach. If they did end up 'flushing' it...then the problem was solved since at the time they didn't know they were being busted...

If they were to be busted, then the first box recieved would not justify such a militant approach. Weed isn't killing many people day to day.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???

They picked up the fedex insider, then have one of their own drop the package as scheduled to get the other guy.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???

They picked up the fedex insider, then have one of their own drop the package as scheduled to get the other guy.

If they knew that, they would have told the mayor not to pick up the package when he went home. :roll: Obviously they didn't know there was an insider when they did the raid.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???

They picked up the fedex insider, then have one of their own drop the package as scheduled to get the other guy.

If they knew that, they would have told the mayor not to pick up the package when he went home. :roll: Obviously they didn't know there was an insider when they did the raid.

You did not read did you.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???

They picked up the fedex insider, then have one of their own drop the package as scheduled to get the other guy.

If they knew that, they would have told the mayor not to pick up the package when he went home. :roll: Obviously they didn't know there was an insider when they did the raid.

You did not read did you.

If you would have read the article, they said they had a undercover officer drop off the package. They made no indication that they had caught the insider before the raid. Besides why would the other guy have the package sent to his own home? :confused:

As quoted by the OP - "After the raid, arrests were made in the package interception scheme."
 

multiband8303

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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
So why aren't any of the cop-lovers posting in this thread?

Are you Jpeyton's younger brother? :confused:

The people who executed the order shouldn't face anything. It's whomever gave them the order without researching that should.

Not all cops are good, not all cops are bad either.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a good cop. The whole police force has been corrupted by the war on drugs. But hey at least they still have the favorite excuse of jack booted thugs everywhere "I was just following orders"

thats idiotic.

90% of the cops are good hardworking honest people.

Sorry, but police force has made getting revenue and drug arrests their number on priority neither one are good or honest.

A decent size police dept has different divisions to deal with different tasks.

Motor division = traffic enforcement
Patrol div = calls for service
Narc div = drugs
Detective div = investigation
Gang div = gang enforcement


you get the point...or maybe you don't

Right they are just diving up how to enforce the drug laws. You have the patrol division that harasses users and low level sellers. The Narc division that targets high level sellers and tries to get the big busts. The detectives who investigates the crime comitted because of the war on drugs. And then you have the Gang units that try and break up the large criminal enterprises that the war on drugs created. Lastly you have the traffic enforcement division that is out their raising money.

Do you work for a PD or something? How many times have you been to a PD briefing room?

I've been a patrol /street cop for over 2 years and i only had a couple drug arrests. Why? let's just say i'm too busy chasing radio calls.

What is your experience? Miami Vice or COPS don't count


Your really ill aren't you savoyboy?


 

Josh

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???

They picked up the fedex insider, then have one of their own drop the package as scheduled to get the other guy.

If they knew that, they would have told the mayor not to pick up the package when he went home. :roll: Obviously they didn't know there was an insider when they did the raid.

You did not read did you.

If you would have read the article, they said they had a undercover officer drop off the package. They made no indication that they had caught the insider before the raid. Besides why would the other guy have the package sent to his own home? :confused:

As quoted by the OP - "After the raid, arrests were made in the package interception scheme."

Strange
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ryan256
Ok.... so let me get this straight.
Police can send you drugs through UPS or DHL. And then arrest you for possession when you sign for the package???

How can any logical person not believe this is entrapment?

err, no, the cops did not send the drug. The drug dealers did. Cops were tipped off that the incoming package is weed, so they were waiting to bust the person who pick up.

"It had been left on the porch on the instructions of his mother-in-law by police posing as deliverymen"

???

They picked up the fedex insider, then have one of their own drop the package as scheduled to get the other guy.

If they knew that, they would have told the mayor not to pick up the package when he went home. :roll: Obviously they didn't know there was an insider when they did the raid.

You did not read did you.

If you would have read the article, they said they had a undercover officer drop off the package. They made no indication that they had caught the insider before the raid. Besides why would the other guy have the package sent to his own home? :confused:

As quoted by the OP - "After the raid, arrests were made in the package interception scheme."

I think I figured out the discrepancies... I read the Washington Post article, which had that detail.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...6/AR2008080602495.html