SWAT Kills Maryland Mayor's dogs

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Josh

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Mar 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: waggy
CNN has a story on the FBI getting involved.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/...ns.probe.ap/index.html

The picture in the article has this caption:

In this undated photo, Mayor Cheye Calvo walks with his wife and their two dogs Chase, left and Payton.

Gee CNN, thanks for playing on my emotions of dead dogs and giving me their names but failing to mention the name of the wife, because she's ok.

Given your well known lack of empathy for any living creature that is not human I doubt they were playing on *your* emotions.

People know people too well on these forums and yet don't even know them. :confused:
 

FlashG

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You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

If it's green and leafy and in an unlabeled bag, use common sense. If it's white powder and you just throw it away, then you're an idiot (remember the anthrax mailings a few years ago?)

I think you're playing dumb. If you receive a package that's addressed to you with contents that you don't recognize, I think you'd be a little suspicious. I don't think you'd just throw it away.

I'd be a little suspicious, but it will still end up in the trash the 1st time.
If it happens a second time, I would become very suspicious and call police.

As for anthrax...Ever since that incident, I've been opening all packages carefully. One would think that you'd open a package that you weren't even expecting(especially one from an unknown sender) more carefully than usual.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Linflas

Given your well known lack of empathy for any living creature that is not human I doubt they were playing on *your* emotions.

Obviously this is what I was referring to. Unlike myself, most people are emotional about dogs, hence the caption in the photo.

This whole experience was FAR more traumatic for the wife Trinity then it was for the dogs. Having a SWAT team break in, fire shots that kill your pets, and arrest your husband in his underwear would be pretty terrible, as well as dealing with all of the aftermath.
 

Josh

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Linflas

Given your well known lack of empathy for any living creature that is not human I doubt they were playing on *your* emotions.

Obviously this is what I was referring to. Unlike myself, most people are emotional about dogs, hence the caption in the photo.

This whole experience was FAR more traumatic for the wife Trinity then it was for the dogs. Having a SWAT team break in, fire shots that kill your pets, and arrest your husband in his underwear would be pretty terrible, as well as dealing with all of the aftermath.

What about the mother cooking up the "lovely dish of pasta"?
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.
 

imported_Lothar

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Aug 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

when you opened uup a package of 32 lbs of mj.......it would immediately permeate your entire house with its odor. you would know immediately what was going on.

I'm not sure how much of a certain lbs would produce a strong odor or a 5 mins odor that can easily be cleared by using a carpet deodorizer and vacuuming, or using an air freshener, or opening your glass door by the kitchen.

I wasn't aware of that until you just posted it.
Those of us who grew up sheltered certainly wouldn't know such information.

If the odor that I smell is very strong, sure I'd know whats going on.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

when you opened uup a package of 32 lbs of mj.......it would immediately permeate your entire house with its odor. you would know immediately what was going on.

I'm not sure how much of a certain lbs would produce a strong odor or a 5 mins odor that can easily be cleared by using a carpet deodorizer and vacuuming, or using an air freshener, or opening your glass door by the kitchen.

I wasn't aware of that until you just posted it.
Those of us who grew up sheltered certainly wouldn't know such information.

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

when you opened uup a package of 32 lbs of mj.......it would immediately permeate your entire house with its odor. you would know immediately what was going on.

I'm not sure how much of a certain lbs would produce a strong odor or a 5 mins odor that can easily be cleared by using a carpet deodorizer and vacuuming, or using an air freshener, or opening your glass door by the kitchen.

I wasn't aware of that until you just posted it.
Those of us who grew up sheltered certainly wouldn't know such information.

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans


this, its not difficult to package and ship large quantities of it at all. it does NOT stink unless packaged improperly
 

Josh

Lifer
Mar 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

when you opened uup a package of 32 lbs of mj.......it would immediately permeate your entire house with its odor. you would know immediately what was going on.

I'm not sure how much of a certain lbs would produce a strong odor or a 5 mins odor that can easily be cleared by using a carpet deodorizer and vacuuming, or using an air freshener, or opening your glass door by the kitchen.

I wasn't aware of that until you just posted it.
Those of us who grew up sheltered certainly wouldn't know such information.

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yea...read my post a few posts above.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ns1

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yes, but they used drug dogs so this whole line of multiquote arguements are moot.
 

Bulk Beef

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Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

That may be true in most jurisdictions, but PG county has a long history of abuses.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lothar
Can I mail a package to my neighbor and put from: PO BOX 666?
So as long as I know the person's name or address(ex: neighbor), I can ship anything and get them arrested for it? :confused:
At least now I know that if I do that, it will get rid of the useless yapping yorkshire dog that's next door.

No, because your neighbor would be smart enough to tell the police they received a package of drugs.

No one is defending what the police did here, but it wasn't entrapment.

I never said it was a case of entrapment.

How will they know it was drugs if they're like me and don't know what such drugs look or smell like?

It's one thing if you know it contains drugs and call the police.
It's another thing if you don't know what it contains and don't want to waste time "sniffing" it to figure it out since it was a package you never ordered.

when you opened uup a package of 32 lbs of mj.......it would immediately permeate your entire house with its odor. you would know immediately what was going on.

I'm not sure how much of a certain lbs would produce a strong odor or a 5 mins odor that can easily be cleared by using a carpet deodorizer and vacuuming, or using an air freshener, or opening your glass door by the kitchen.

I wasn't aware of that until you just posted it.
Those of us who grew up sheltered certainly wouldn't know such information.

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

probably why they don't use humans to sniff packages.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Ns1

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yes, but they used drug dogs so this whole line of multiquote arguements are moot.

hence "not detectable by humans"


this point was a made as a comment to other comments regarding MJ "stinking up the house"

If you're shipping 200 pounds of marijuana, you're not gonna just throw all that shit into a box. I don't think you guys realize how much 200 pounds of marijuana is.

200 pounds of marijuana vacuum sealed is the size of a goddamn large TV.

even in brick form that is STILL alot of herb.
 

waggy

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how many would actually call the police if recieved it? would you honestly trust them to NOT arrest you over it?

while i think 95% are good and honest they do look for any reason to bust a person.
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Ns1

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yes, but they used drug dogs so this whole line of multiquote arguements are moot.

yes thats not the point they are trying to make,

the mayor dude /wife woudl NOT have smelled anything and had no reason to suspect the package woudl contain drugs, there was no way for them to know untll it was opened,

 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

In this case even though they have now arrested the actual people involved in the drug shipment and know exactly what was going down and that the mayor and his family were not involved at all and were just unknowing victims in this shipment the PG County Police still refuse to rule them out as suspects or even issue a simple apology for what they did.
 

Josh

Lifer
Mar 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Ns1

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yes, but they used drug dogs so this whole line of multiquote arguements are moot.

hence "not detectable by humans"


this point was a made as a comment to other comments regarding MJ "stinking up the house"

If you're shipping 200 pounds of marijuana, you're not gonna just throw all that shit into a box. I don't think you guys realize how much 200 pounds of marijuana is.

200 pounds of marijuana vacuum sealed is the size of a goddamn large TV.

even in brick form that is STILL alot of herb.

There are obviously ways to hide it form drug sniffing dogs as well.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Ns1

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yes, but they used drug dogs so this whole line of multiquote arguements are moot.

yes thats not the point they are trying to make,

the mayor dude /wife woudl NOT have smelled anything and had no reason to suspect the package woudl contain drugs, there was no way for them to know untll it was opened,

thank you.
 

TallBill

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Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

That may be true in most jurisdictions, but PG county has a long history of abuses.

Yes, including an officer that is in jail for 45 years for killing two furniture delivery men.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Anubis

the mayor dude /wife woudl NOT have smelled anything and had no reason to suspect the package woudl contain drugs, there was no way for them to know untll it was opened,

Not everyone knows what pot smells like. ;)
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: FlashG
You know this kind of activity scares the hell out of me. Is there anyplace safe from our own law inforcement anymore? I mean this is right out of some WWII dime novel about how Germany fell ino corruption and war crimes.

This logic fails because plenty of officers in the US end up going to jail when stuff like this happens. Everything that officers to that involves force gets investigated.

In this case even though they have now arrested the actual people involved in the drug shipment and know exactly what was going down and that the mayor and his family were not involved at all and were just unknowing victims in this shipment the PG County Police still refuse to rule them out as suspects or even issue a simple apology for what they did.


there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: Josh
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Ns1

MJ of ANY quantity in vacuum sealed bags inside turkey bags = not detectable by humans

Yes, but they used drug dogs so this whole line of multiquote arguements are moot.

hence "not detectable by humans"


this point was a made as a comment to other comments regarding MJ "stinking up the house"

If you're shipping 200 pounds of marijuana, you're not gonna just throw all that shit into a box. I don't think you guys realize how much 200 pounds of marijuana is.

200 pounds of marijuana vacuum sealed is the size of a goddamn large TV.

even in brick form that is STILL alot of herb.

There are obviously ways to hide it form drug sniffing dogs as well.


peanutbutter
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: waggy

there was a huge thread where many cops were saying they NEVER apologise for anything. Even arresting the wrong person. they said they do not need to since they either let them go or don't arrest them.

Well, the real reason is probably to avoid getting sued. Appologizing for something admits that you did wrong which opens up your pocket books to get sued. The only time you will see a public appology is in a case where money has already been settled.