SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: feralkid
Whachoo talkin'about, Rufus?

Nobody ever believed nor continues to pretend any such thing.

Stop making shit up.

Just ask the lefties. A job in the military, or for a contractor, or producing equipment, or building ships for the Navy, or for a health insurance company, is a waste, but unemployment benefits and resodding the National Mall is a 'stimulus'.

How about jobs rebuilding and expanding road, rail, and maritime infrastructure? How about jobs running things like water desalination plants, power plants, waste treatment plants or other things that make civilized life possible in a modern world? What about public transport? How about agricultural infrastructure? You, winnar111, have touched upon the classic 'guns vs. butter' debate. Most will agree at this point that we are beginning to come up short in the butter area.

Some of that is worthwhile, some of it is not, and some of it is done in the private sector. Doesn't change the fact that a lot of this bill is or was money for key Democratic constituencies and had nothing to do with jobs or stimulus.

How does giving $250 to people who don't work create a job? College tuition grants?

While some of that can be debated, I reject the notion that all defense spending is exempt from being pork. The examples I listed were specifically ones that I feel are best handled by the public sector. Do you disagree with any of those?

Another thing is that you might want to consider that there is a difference between those who "don't work" and those who work hard yet get thrown by the wayside because of layoffs. It isn't that they don't want to work, it is that the pool of available jobs has contracted quite a bit. To answer your question, no, it doesn't create a job directly, but it does in terms of stimulus. The unemployed spend $$ faster than the wealthy. It is what is called the 'multiplier effect'. If you increase demand, you indirectly increase jobs as well to fulfill that demand.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: senseamp
Ultimately, we have nothing to show for the war in Iraq in this country. The economy tanked while we were "winning" in Iraq, so obviously it didn't stimulate the economy out of this mess.

who said it did?

You really need to stop with the "sore losers" and "we won, you lost" nonsense. Obama and the rest of the Dems campaigned on the concept of a shift toward genuine bipartisanship and change, not more of the same partisan bullshit simply done by the opposite side of the same coin.

The out of control spending, by all sides, must stop; and, the Dems need to figure out a way to bring real bipartisanship to Washington, or they too will fail.

Riight, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is ours? Not so fast, sore loser.

What is it exactly that it is that YOU think ya won. I just got to know. Plus I want ya to say something other than NA NA we won . Tell what did WE win . This is one of those internet scam deals right were you think youve won something ,

Give me 3 points were you believe we won. Since he is my president also I use the word we loosely.

I will book mark this thread . In three short months You will be crying like a baby . I mean that literally . Your world is about to implode. Good luck. Not being prepared your going to need it. I spent the last 4 years getting ready for this. I have under ground fuel oil and propane . For heating bunker. I have diesel for the generators and food and water to last I good bit of time. I wanted to install wind turbin but village stopped me cold. So I just bought more fuel . Which really pissed them off because they couldn't stop that.

 

[sunzt]

I'd rather we spend money on our own economy that we f8cked up than on some other country's economy that we f8cked up.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sciwizam
CNN: House passes $787B economic recovery plan, 246 to 183

If you were to believe Drudge's news flash, looks like Pelosi might have a plane to catch.

HURRY, FELLAS, LET'S VOTE, I AM OFF TO ROME!
Fri Feb 13 2009 09:18:52 ET

Rep. John Culberson, TX claims the "stimulus" bill must be urgently voted on today -- because Speaker Nancy Pelosi is leaving at 6:00 PM for an 8 day trip to Europe!

Culberson made the charge on Houston's KSEV radio.

Pelosi is hoping to lead a delegation to Europe; there's a meeting with the Pope and an award from an Italian legislative group.

Calls to Pelosi's spokesman went unreturned.

In the rushing, Democrats have now broken their promise to have the public see the <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30697">$790 billion bill for 48 hours before any vote.
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Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) predicted that none of his Senate colleagues would 'have the chance' to read the entire final version of the 1,071-page bill before it comes up for a final vote.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

Promises broken don't sit well with me...giving Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

Promises broken don't sit well with me...giving Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

The 48 hours promise in reality turned into slightly over 12 hours.

Most Congressman has ~13hrs to read the 1000+ page document.

Does anyone know if the new auto sales tax deduction was left in?

 

[sciwizam]

Boehner: Not one member has read this bill

Got to say, nice touch at the end.

 

[Rustler]

"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."
? PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, JANUARY 9 , 2009

With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.
Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

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[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: senseamp
Ultimately, we have nothing to show for the war in Iraq in this country. The economy tanked while we were "winning" in Iraq, so obviously it didn't stimulate the economy out of this mess.

who said it did?

You really need to stop with the "sore losers" and "we won, you lost" nonsense. Obama and the rest of the Dems campaigned on the concept of a shift toward genuine bipartisanship and change, not more of the same partisan bullshit simply done by the opposite side of the same coin.

The out of control spending, by all sides, must stop; and, the Dems need to figure out a way to bring real bipartisanship to Washington, or they too will fail.

Riight, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is ours? Not so fast, sore loser.

What is it exactly that it is that YOU think ya won. I just got to know. Plus I want ya to say something other than NA NA we won . Tell what did WE win . This is one of those internet scam deals right were you think youve won something ,

Give me 3 points were you believe we won. Since he is my president also I use the word we loosely.

I will book mark this thread . In three short months You will be crying like a baby . I mean that literally . Your world is about to implode. Good luck. Not being prepared your going to need it. I spent the last 4 years getting ready for this. I have under ground fuel oil and propane . For heating bunker. I have diesel for the generators and food and water to last I good bit of time. I wanted to install wind turbin but village stopped me cold. So I just bought more fuel . Which really pissed them off because they couldn't stop that.

Another end-of-the-world predictor in our midst. Can you be specific about what is going to happen in 3 months?

 

[BoberFett]

Nice list of Paulbots.

 

[SAWYER]

Michelle Obama on last year's stimulus
"You?re getting $600 - what can you do with that? Not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn?t pay down every bill every month,? she said. ?The short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...imulus-check-earrings/

I wonder what she thinks of this one?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: senseamp
Ultimately, we have nothing to show for the war in Iraq in this country. The economy tanked while we were "winning" in Iraq, so obviously it didn't stimulate the economy out of this mess.

who said it did?

You really need to stop with the "sore losers" and "we won, you lost" nonsense. Obama and the rest of the Dems campaigned on the concept of a shift toward genuine bipartisanship and change, not more of the same partisan bullshit simply done by the opposite side of the same coin.

The out of control spending, by all sides, must stop; and, the Dems need to figure out a way to bring real bipartisanship to Washington, or they too will fail.

Riight, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is ours? Not so fast, sore loser.

For the last fucking time, I VOTED FOR OBAMA YOU TWIT!

Everyone will "lose" if he fails to deliver on his promises of change and genuine bipartisanship.

LOL you realize who you are responding to? senseamp was mr. anti-obama until his goddess billary lost. Talk about sore losers, I should go look up some funny quotes. Apparently he's had a change of heart, I'm shocked :shocked:

Came back to my desk, did a search, second post I looked at (in response to Obama's lead post by Skoorb):

Originally posted by: senseamp
Keep on with that smug elitist attitude, you'll see what happens in November. All the Democrats who thought they didn't need working class whites got their behinds handed to them, and will get it handed to them again, against all odds.
Of course you'll blame everyone but Obama and his supporters for the outcome. Obamabots will be crying that their poor Messiah (Obama) got betrayed by Judas (Clinton), and crucified by the Romans(McCain). It's going to be Hillaryous

Sore loser indeed :laugh:

 

[SAWYER]

LOL

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
Boehner: Not one member has read this bill

Got to say, nice touch at the end.

This man speaks truth, at least in this particular instance. If it is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Hopefully someone in the Senate will use the tactic of requesting the bill be read aloud....

 

[TallBill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3085DErFpoY

Full link

 

[MotF Bane]

So much for change.

 

[ericlp]

man... almost 7 pages of...well, nothing...

I really wonder what promise was promised.... How do you break a promise with out having the money to spend first. Lot's of speculation here. But still nothing ...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ericlp
man... almost 7 pages of...well, nothing...

I really wonder what promise was promised.... How do you break a promise with out having the money to spend first. Lot's of speculation here. But still nothing ...

Did you even read the OP? The "promise" was to let the American people read legislation for atleast 48 hours before voting. It barely made 12.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Farang

I will make my response more substantive. The source is not liberal enough and therefore all lies.

Troll.

Not if he's telling the truth... like NOW.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Farang

I will make my response more substantive. The source is not liberal enough and therefore all lies.

Troll.

Not if he's telling the truth... like NOW.

So you don't think that the way that this is going down is wrong in any way? $3,000 per US citizen conjured from thin air and put towards absolute crap. All the while keeping the actual avenues of spending a mystery until 12 hours before they were supposed to vote on it. I usually don't take a side on many political issues because it's so hard to be well informed, but this one looks like one gigantic failboat.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

Promises broken don't sit well with me...giving Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

The 48 hours promise in reality turned into slightly over 12 hours.

Most Congressman has ~13hrs to read the 1000+ page document.

Does anyone know if the new auto sales tax deduction was left in?

The bill, in roughly similar form has been around for over a week...Boehner is either a lazy ass or a liar.

The only parts that one would need to re-read are those that were amended or dropped altogether, and for that one would need minutes, not hours or (laughably) days.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

Promises broken don't sit well with me...giving Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

The 48 hours promise in reality turned into slightly over 12 hours.

Most Congressman has ~13hrs to read the 1000+ page document.

Does anyone know if the new auto sales tax deduction was left in?

The bill, in roughly similar form has been around for over a week...Boehner is either a lazy ass or a liar.

The only parts that one would need to re-read are those that were amended or dropped altogether, and for that one would need minutes, not hours or (laughably) days.

that's bullshit. The bill has undergone extensive changes over the last week, and the actual promise was that we (everyone) would get to review the final bill on the internet for at least 48 hours prior to their vote.

They certainly broke that promise, so the OP is correct.

I think that it's absolutely disgusting that the Representatives themselves were only given 12 hours (overnight) to review the final bill, let alone the American public.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

Promises broken don't sit well with me...giving Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

The 48 hours promise in reality turned into slightly over 12 hours.

Most Congressman has ~13hrs to read the 1000+ page document.

Does anyone know if the new auto sales tax deduction was left in?

The bill, in roughly similar form has been around for over a week...Boehner is either a lazy ass or a liar.

The only parts that one would need to re-read are those that were amended or dropped altogether, and for that one would need minutes, not hours or (laughably) days.

that's bullshit. The bill has undergone extensive changes over the last week, and the actual promise was that we (everyone) would get to review the final bill on the internet for at least 48 hours prior to their vote.

They certainly broke that promise, so the OP is correct.

I think that it's absolutely disgusting that the Representatives themselves were only given 12 hours (overnight) to review the final bill, let alone the American public.

Baloney; the only major changes were in the actual numbers...the basic bill has essentially not changed, just the numbers mostly.

Just because some lazy slobs didn't take the time to read it you've gotten yourself all worked up.

Blame the lazy obstructionist Republicans if you really need to vent your spleen; but here in the rational world it's time to fix the economy.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Baloney; the only major changes were in the actual numbers...the basic bill has essentially not changed, just the numbers mostly.

Just because some lazy slobs didn't take the time to read it you've gotten yourself all worked up.

Blame the lazy obstructionist Republicans if you really need to vent your spleen; but here in the rational world it's time to fix the economy.

Well the bill is a pile of shit even if they did have the opportunity to read it.