SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Baloney; the only major changes were in the actual numbers...the basic bill has essentially not changed, just the numbers mostly.

Just because some lazy slobs didn't take the time to read it you've gotten yourself all worked up.

Blame the lazy obstructionist Republicans if you really need to vent your spleen; but here in the rational world it's time to fix the economy.

I'd love to see you read 1000+ pages of legalese in 12 hours... :roll:

 

[Drakkon]

I'm watching the senate floor on cspan....they are doing the final vote...its been going for about an hour now....every senator has voted except for 3 Dems (Bayh, Gillenbrand, and Brown)....57 ayes right now...those 3 would make it 60 and it would pass....why are they holding out?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
I'm watching the senate floor on cspan....they are doing the final vote...its been going for about an hour now....every senator has voted except for 3 Dems (Bayh, Gillenbrand, and Brown)....57 ayes right now...those 3 would make it 60 and it would pass....why are they holding out?

Brown is attending the memorial service for his mother who recently passed away. I doubt that he's really in shape to vote today.

I caught that on CSPAN, so no link.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Drakkon
I'm watching the senate floor on cspan....they are doing the final vote...its been going for about an hour now....every senator has voted except for 3 Dems (Bayh, Gillenbrand, and Brown)....57 ayes right now...those 3 would make it 60 and it would pass....why are they holding out?

Brown is attending the memorial service for his mother who recently passed away. I doubt that he's really in shape to vote today.

I caught that on CSPAN, so no link.

Gillibrand just voted aye

So if hes 'in no shape to vote' then would he be considered not voting? and if thats the case how does this pass?

EDIT: Nevermind - its being held open so he CAN vote - http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/13/stimulus/ (second paragraph)

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Gillibrand just voted aye

So if hes 'in no shape to vote' then would he be considered not voting? and if thats the case how does this pass?

EDIT: Nevermind - its being held open so he CAN vote - http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/13/stimulus/ (second paragraph)

We're all about to be fucked by two ayes.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Democrats have learned a thing or two from Republicans. The latter had a plan to spend so much money and create such debt that no liberal program could ever find funding again. The Democrats have upped the anti and are out to destroy the country so no Republican can ever get elected again. You started it, but we'll finish it. I'm so full of hate I'd rather die than let them win. BuBye, you stupid assholes.

If you hate America so much, just leave, you pathetic piece of shit.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: TallBillWe're all about to be fucked by two ayes.

Now what would be awesome, is to see him fly all the way back, on the presidents plane even, to vote "nay"

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: TallBillWe're all about to be fucked by two ayes.

Now what would be awesome, is to see him fly all the way back, on the presidents plane even, to vote "nay"

Yeah, maybe he'll have a moment of clarity after the tragedy of losing his mother.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: TallBillWe're all about to be fucked by two ayes.

Now what would be awesome, is to see him fly all the way back, on the presidents plane even, to vote "nay"

Yeah, maybe he'll have a moment of clarity after the tragedy of losing his mother.

That would be very good to see.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Democrats have learned a thing or two from Republicans. The latter had a plan to spend so much money and create such debt that no liberal program could ever find funding again. The Democrats have upped the anti and are out to destroy the country so no Republican can ever get elected again. You started it, but we'll finish it. I'm so full of hate I'd rather die than let them win. BuBye, you stupid assholes.

If you hate America so much, just leave, you pathetic piece of shit.

congrats you fell for it.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: feralkid
Baloney; the only major changes were in the actual numbers...the basic bill has essentially not changed, just the numbers mostly.

Just because some lazy slobs didn't take the time to read it you've gotten yourself all worked up.

Blame the lazy obstructionist Republicans if you really need to vent your spleen; but here in the rational world it's time to fix the economy.

I'd love to see you read 1000+ pages of legalese in 12 hours... :roll:

As has been pointed out, members of the Senate have had over a week to read it: only the lazy ass obstructionists are crying about not having had enough time. Lame diversion at best.

Even the most slovenly Senators could have delegated the heavy reading to their aides; that's what they are paid for.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Democrats have learned a thing or two from Republicans. The latter had a plan to spend so much money and create such debt that no liberal program could ever find funding again. The Democrats have upped the anti and are out to destroy the country so no Republican can ever get elected again. You started it, but we'll finish it. I'm so full of hate I'd rather die than let them win. BuBye, you stupid assholes.

If you hate America so much, just leave, you pathetic piece of shit.

Back off. I never heard him say he hates AMERICA. I love AMERICa. But this . This isn't America. Obama was elected on a promise. That has already been shattered after 3 weeks. I would say he loves America more than you . You want a social AMerica. We want the America of Jefferson Back . The guy who beat the Banks . The only president ever to leave office without a debt . Thats The America were screaming for . Not thios social Bs that can never ever work . Because the best and brightest minds will work against social America . I am a socialist at heart. That doesn't make me a fool tho . Socialism is a dream . As long as there is a ruling or privilaged it can't not stand on its merits. Only if ALL are = can iy work . None here believe thats possiable.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Democrats have learned a thing or two from Republicans. The latter had a plan to spend so much money and create such debt that no liberal program could ever find funding again. The Democrats have upped the anti and are out to destroy the country so no Republican can ever get elected again. You started it, but we'll finish it. I'm so full of hate I'd rather die than let them win. BuBye, you stupid assholes.

If you hate America so much, just leave, you pathetic piece of shit.

Back off. I never heard him say he hates AMERICA. I love AMERICa. But this . This isn't America. Obama was elected on a promise. That has already been scattered after 3 weeks. I would say he loves America more than you . You want a social AMerica. We want the America of Jefferson Back . The guy who beat the Banks . The only president ever to leave office without a debt . Thats The America were screaming for . Not thios social Bs that can never ever work . Because the best and brightest minds will work against social America . I am a socialist at heart. That doesn't make me a fool tho . Socialism is a dream . As long as there is a ruling or privilaged it can't not stand on its merits. Only if ALL are = can iy work . None here believe thats possiable.

If you love America, then why not pay your damn credit card bills?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Democrats have learned a thing or two from Republicans. The latter had a plan to spend so much money and create such debt that no liberal program could ever find funding again. The Democrats have upped the anti and are out to destroy the country so no Republican can ever get elected again. You started it, but we'll finish it. I'm so full of hate I'd rather die than let them win. BuBye, you stupid assholes.

If you hate America so much, just leave, you pathetic piece of shit.

Back off. I never heard him say he hates AMERICA. I love AMERICa. But this . This isn't America. Obama was elected on a promise. That has already been shattered after 3 weeks. I would say he loves America more than you . You want a social AMerica. We want the America of Jefferson Back . The guy who beat the Banks . The only president ever to leave office without a debt . Thats The America were screaming for . Not thios social Bs that can never ever work . Because the best and brightest minds will work against social America . I am a socialist at heart. That doesn't make me a fool tho . Socialism is a dream . As long as there is a ruling or privilaged it can't not stand on its merits. Only if ALL are = can iy work . None here believe thats possiable.

Do you know how to read Nemesis? Well, you don't even need to reply, it's quite clear that you cannot. Stop posting.

 

[sportage]

Why should anyone i.e. republicans be upset with spending billions on jump starting the US economy? They had no problems spending billions on a Bush war, your tax dollars, much of which is still missing and unaccounted for.
Ok, say the stim package is a gamble... I'd rather gamble on Americans.
I think the republicans will pay dearly in 2010 for their praise of Rush fat mouth.
And they should!
Maybe this is a good thing. Not only may we get rid of these republican idiots, but also the likes of Limbaugh. Wouldn?t it be N I C E !!!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: sportage
Why should anyone i.e. republicans be upset with spending billions on jump starting the US economy? They had no problems spending billions on a Bush war, your tax dollars, much of which is still missing and unaccounted for.
Ok, say the stim package is a gamble... I'd rather gamble on Americans.
I think the republicans will pay dearly in 2010 for their praise of Rush fat mouth.
And they should!
Maybe this is a good thing. Not only may we get rid of these republican idiots, but also the likes of Limbaugh. Wouldn?t it be N I C E !!!

It's nothing more than a campaign/political tactic. Whenever the Democrats get into power the Republicans preach the wonders of fiscal conservatism. When the Republicans get into power they forget about it.

None of this really matters to me, as I am not a fiscal conservative and so I win either way, but it is interesting and amusing to watch.

 

[OrByte]

republicans fiscally conservative?

since when?!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Look guys Their is 1 card we can play. Only 1 that 1 may not be enough.

Ever nation from world war II but 1 defaulted their debt to us. WE owe them in kind. Now listen to me. Understand . 1 way. The beauty of this plan is it turn all prohecy against them. Revelation says For Us to come out of the Beast. Take from the Beast 2x what you gave it.

We Americans can and should Default on World debt. Than go back on a GOLD/SILVER/ Platinum . Backed system . Oh it would hurt. But we Americans have shown repeatedly that when we put are might in something we make it work . No Fed BANK EVER , Put it in law. Law that can't be revoked under any pretence. Look its nice we worry about Other Peoples. But We got to tell the World. We broke our system tring to build you Up . If you can't stand on your own . Were sorry but we have to take care of AMERICA and AMERICANS First. WE are not A one world Government. We have stood on our own befor and we sure as hell can repeat that performance . So excuse our debt . As we did yours. But we have to restucture our system . Get rid of the leaches. The second thing we need to do . Is listen to what JFK said . To me this is why he was president . It was all about that 1 message he gave us. Ya some here would say that JFK wore a tin foil hat . But What he said is now in plane sight and so many can't see it. So in taking JFK advice All American Company logos will need to be Checked for known hidden meanings Such as The all seeing eye on the $. The all seeing eye guys is the Watchers. These are the Bad guys . No successful US company exist today without the beast symbols. Why is that? So logos have to be banned. Than and only than can we buy and sell without the mark of the beast.
By the way the bad guys look just like us. After all we were created in their image. The Big boss is on his way back . We well all see him coming. It well panic the world. Don't be frightened of the planet. Its what comes before the planet. That is our enemies. They been with us from the beginning. They can't be killed. Nor can they kill us. Big boss be really pissed. Besides he left to very capable witnesses with us. Look at us. Seriously . Look in the Mirror. We have gone threw ice ages . Yet were basicly hairless. NO way. Why did we need to create clothing if we evolved. Come on . We aren't of the Earth. Hell people lived 5 thousand years ago knew about the heavens and how it worked as far as cycles. Something were just learning. The watchers are tring to play us one against the other . So we destroy the world befor the arrival of the Most high. You guys are going to see amazing things in the next months. Go with it rejoice in it and the watchers plan fails. Thats what Christ message was. When you see the signs No that Its Salvation coming that looks scary. The watchers will appear to many as saviors. Because of that witch this way comes

In the mideast in june july There will be a quake not a hugh one. But that quake well free the watchers leader. He is the ANTI Christ. He shall perform mircles. Something ya all should know. To bad ya lack faith same as myself. But we are also eternals. We can't die. Your flesh dies because GOD told Adam he would die. Adam believed he had faith and he did die. With the faith of a mustard seed . I can tell a mountain to get up and Move over to there and it shall be done. So basicly GOD invented Vodoo. Ya believe something strong enough your Mind will make it so. That the promise we were given . Thats what everthing has been about. The Fallen Angels (watchers) hate us because God created US IN HIS LIKENESS. It was GODS genes we were Given By GOD. WE are higher than the Angels. Thats why the war in heaven . Thats what the last 5,993 years has been about.

Think about it. Were know smarter than other peoples. Yet each one of us knows war is wrong . All the people of earth know this. Were not savages. So that means their is another force at work here one that is guiding us towards self destruct. Noway do I believe its Man doing this. We are smarter than that . We did misplace our trust. Their in lies the problem . I don't know who has seen UFO . I seen 1 positive it was really close . It was really cool. I was young 13. But I know what I seen . That was 46 years ago. Yet no contact. Than look back in history and the Bible Dam things were around than . They always been here. They are the watchers. And the HATE US. Yep I am one crazy sucker. Maybe!

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Look guys Their is 1 card we can play. Only 1 that 1 may not be enough.

Ever nation from world war II but 1 defaulted their debt to us. WE owe them in kind. Now listen to me. Understand . 1 way. The beauty of this plan is it turn all prohecy against them. Revelation says For Us to come out of the Beast. Take from the Beast 2x what you gave it.

We Americans can and should Default on World debt. Than go back on a GOLD/SILVER/ Platinum . Backed system . Oh it would hurt. But we Americans have shown repeatedly that when we put are might in something we make it work . No Fed BANK EVER , Put it in law. Law that can't be revoked under any pretence. Look its nice we worry about Other Peoples. But We got to tell the World. We broke our system tring to build you Up . If you can't stand on your own . Were sorry but we have to take care of AMERICA and AMERICANS First. WE are not A one world Government. We have stood on our own befor and we sure as hell can repeat that performance . So excuse our debt . As we did yours. But we have to restucture our system . Get rid of the leaches. The second thing we need to do . Is listen to what JFK said . To me this is why he was president . It was all about that 1 message he gave us. Ya some here would say that JFK wore a tin foil hat . But What he said is now in plane sight and so many can't see it. So in taking JFK advice All American Company logos will need to be Checked for known hidden meanings Such as The all seeing eye on the $. The all seeing eye guys is the Watchers. These are the Bad guys . No successful US company exist today without the beast symbols. Why is that? So logos have to be banned. Than and only than can we buy and sell without the mark of the beast.
By the way the bad guys look just like us. After all we were created in their image. The Big boss is on his way back . We well all see him coming. It well panic the world. Don't be frightened of the planet. Its what comes before the planet. That is our enemies. They been with us from the beginning. They can't be killed. Nor can they kill us. Big boss be really pissed. Besides he left to very capable witnesses with us. Look at us. Seriously . Look in the Mirror. We have gone threw ice ages . Yet were basicly hairless. NO way. Why did we need to create clothing if we evolved. Come on . We aren't of the Earth. Hell people lived 5 thousand years ago knew about the heavens and how it worked as far as cycles. Something were just learning. The watchers are tring to play us one against the other . So we destroy the world befor the arrival of the Most high. You guys are going to see amazing things in the next months. Go with it rejoice in it and the watchers plan fails. Thats what Christ message was. When you see the signs No that Its Salvation coming that looks scary. The watchers will appear to many as saviors. Because of that witch this way comes

In the mideast in june july There will be a quake not a hugh one. But that quake well free the watchers leader. He is the ANTI Christ. He shall perform mircles. Something ya all should know. To bad ya lack faith same as myself. But we are also eternals. We can't die. Your flesh dies because GOD told Adam he would die. Adam believed he had faith and he did die. With the faith of a mustard seed . I can tell a mountain to get up and Move over to there and it shall be done. So basicly GOD invented Vodoo. Ya believe something strong enough your Mind will make it so. That the promise we were given . Thats what everthing has been about. The Fallen Angels (watchers) hate us because God created US IN HIS LIKENESS. It was GODS genes we were Given By GOD. WE are higher than the Angels. Thats why the war in heaven . Thats what the last 5,993 years has been about.

Think about it. Were know smarter than other peoples. Yet each one of us knows war is wrong . All the people of earth know this. Were not savages. So that means their is another force at work here one that is guiding us towards self destruct. Noway do I believe its Man doing this. We are smarter than that . We did misplace our trust. Their in lies the problem . I don't know who has seen UFO . I seen 1 positive it was really close . It was really cool. I was young 13. But I know what I seen . That was 46 years ago. Yet no contact. Than look back in history and the Bible Dam things were around than . They always been here. They are the watchers. And the HATE US. Yep I am one crazy sucker. Maybe!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Look guys Their is 1 card we can play. Only 1 that 1 may not be enough.

Ever nation from world war II but 1 defaulted their debt to us. WE owe them in kind. Now listen to me. Understand . 1 way. The beauty of this plan is it turn all prohecy against them. Revelation says For Us to come out of the Beast. Take from the Beast 2x what you gave it.

We Americans can and should Default on World debt. Than go back on a GOLD/SILVER/ Platinum . Backed system . Oh it would hurt. But we Americans have shown repeatedly that when we put are might in something we make it work . No Fed BANK EVER , Put it in law. Law that can't be revoked under any pretence. Look its nice we worry about Other Peoples. But We got to tell the World. We broke our system tring to build you Up . If you can't stand on your own . Were sorry but we have to take care of AMERICA and AMERICANS First. WE are not A one world Government. We have stood on our own befor and we sure as hell can repeat that performance . So excuse our debt . As we did yours. But we have to restucture our system . Get rid of the leaches. The second thing we need to do . Is listen to what JFK said . To me this is why he was president . It was all about that 1 message he gave us. Ya some here would say that JFK wore a tin foil hat . But What he said is now in plane sight and so many can't see it. So in taking JFK advice All American Company logos will need to be Checked for known hidden meanings Such as The all seeing eye on the $. The all seeing eye guys is the Watchers. These are the Bad guys . No successful US company exist today without the beast symbols. Why is that? So logos have to be banned. Than and only than can we buy and sell without the mark of the beast.
By the way the bad guys look just like us. After all we were created in their image. The Big boss is on his way back . We well all see him coming. It well panic the world. Don't be frightened of the planet. Its what comes before the planet. That is our enemies. They been with us from the beginning. They can't be killed. Nor can they kill us. Big boss be really pissed. Besides he left to very capable witnesses with us. Look at us. Seriously . Look in the Mirror. We have gone threw ice ages . Yet were basicly hairless. NO way. Why did we need to create clothing if we evolved. Come on . We aren't of the Earth. Hell people lived 5 thousand years ago knew about the heavens and how it worked as far as cycles. Something were just learning. The watchers are tring to play us one against the other . So we destroy the world befor the arrival of the Most high. You guys are going to see amazing things in the next months. Go with it rejoice in it and the watchers plan fails. Thats what Christ message was. When you see the signs No that Its Salvation coming that looks scary. The watchers will appear to many as saviors. Because of that witch this way comes

In the mideast in june july There will be a quake not a hugh one. But that quake well free the watchers leader. He is the ANTI Christ. He shall perform mircles. Something ya all should know. To bad ya lack faith same as myself. But we are also eternals. We can't die. Your flesh dies because GOD told Adam he would die. Adam believed he had faith and he did die. With the faith of a mustard seed . I can tell a mountain to get up and Move over to there and it shall be done. So basicly GOD invented Vodoo. Ya believe something strong enough your Mind will make it so. That the promise we were given . Thats what everthing has been about. The Fallen Angels (watchers) hate us because God created US IN HIS LIKENESS. It was GODS genes we were Given By GOD. WE are higher than the Angels. Thats why the war in heaven . Thats what the last 5,993 years has been about.

Think about it. Were know smarter than other peoples. Yet each one of us knows war is wrong . All the people of earth know this. Were not savages. So that means their is another force at work here one that is guiding us towards self destruct. Noway do I believe its Man doing this. We are smarter than that . We did misplace our trust. Their in lies the problem . I don't know who has seen UFO . I seen 1 positive it was really close . It was really cool. I was young 13. But I know what I seen . That was 46 years ago. Yet no contact. Than look back in history and the Bible Dam things were around than . They always been here. They are the watchers. And the HATE US. Yep I am one crazy sucker. Maybe!

At least one part of your post made sense

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: umbrella39
the majority of the country knows exactly where to place the blame.

The smart ones are blaming both parties.

:thumbsup:

 

[FuzzyBee]

So - am I correct in stating that the American public was told they would have 48 hours to review this bill in it's final form, but that didn't happen? How can anybody defend this?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Amen...but I feared we've been duped. Waiting to see how the first 100 days go...so far...not so good IMO.

But he JUST got in office. We'll hear that for at least 36 months.

Promises broken don't sit well with me...giving Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

The 48 hours promise in reality turned into slightly over 12 hours.

Most Congressman has ~13hrs to read the 1000+ page document.

Does anyone know if the new auto sales tax deduction was left in?

The bill, in roughly similar form has been around for over a week...Boehner is either a lazy ass or a liar.

The only parts that one would need to re-read are those that were amended or dropped altogether, and for that one would need minutes, not hours or (laughably) days.

How do you know that someone didn't slip something in the bill?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: feralkid
The bill, in roughly similar form has been around for over a week...Boehner is either a lazy ass or a liar.

The only parts that one would need to re-read are those that were amended or dropped altogether, and for that one would need minutes, not hours or (laughably) days.

How do you know that someone didn't slip something in the bill?

Exactly! Feralkid doesnt have an answer for that... his party can do no wrong.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: feralkid
The bill, in roughly similar form has been around for over a week...Boehner is either a lazy ass or a liar.

The only parts that one would need to re-read are those that were amended or dropped altogether, and for that one would need minutes, not hours or (laughably) days.

How do you know that someone didn't slip something in the bill?

Exactly! Feralkid doesnt have an answer for that... his party can do no wrong.

Looks like Dodd did sneak something in..

The provision, inserted by Senate Democrats over the objections of the Obama administration, is aimed at companies that have received financial bailout funds. It would prohibit cash bonuses and almost all other incentive compensation for the five most senior officers and the 20 highest-paid executives at large companies that receive money under the Treasury?s Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

The provision, written by Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, highlighted the growing wrath among lawmakers and voters over the lavish compensation that top Wall Street firms and big banks awarded to senior executives at the same time that many of the companies, teetering on the brink of insolvency, received taxpayer-paid bailouts.

?The decisions of certain Wall Street executives to enrich themselves at the expense of taxpayers have seriously undermined public confidence,? Mr. Dodd said Friday. ?These tough new rules will help ensure that taxpayer dollars no longer effectively subsidize lavish Wall Street bonuses.?

Top economic advisers to President Obama adamantly opposed the pay restrictions, according to Congressional officials, warning lawmakers behind closed doors that they went too far and would cause a brain drain in the financial industry during an acute crisis. Another worry is the tougher restrictions may encourage executives to more quickly pay back the government?s investments since, in a compromise with the financial industry, banks no longer have to replace federal funds with private capital. That could remove an extra capital cushion, further reducing lending.