Gotta eat crap like falafel when you are a male prostitute
Falafel / humus tastes like dirty armpits in my opinion. Not that I really know what that tastes like....... YUCK!
hey, if this movie makes people eat healthier what is wrong with that? are you a spokesperson for MC Deez or something? who cares if he ate too much, the food is still pretty much garbage no matter what quantity of it you eat.
Err, those were just a couple of paragraphs from the "Productivity" section..
Shrug.... So are you saying all those points are absolutely false? Whatever, lol.
We can't both be right. So who is really right? Most likely it's somewhere in the middle.
I'm agreeing with you on everything except your dismissal of organic gardening. You don't know enough about it to form a clear-headed opinion. You're basing everything you know on statstics, as opposed to actual real-world understanding.
I, on the other hand, have been studying it all my life and I strongly agree with most if not all of the ideals that go along with the organic gardening mindset. So of course I'm going to get defensive when someone takes the complete opposite stance.
Open your eyes, if just not a little bit. I did, and I listened.. but you haven't said anything other than half of the world would starve if we moved to all organic farming. Well, duh.. If it happened overnight.
That's not how these things work, though. If at some point in the future we learn that a chemical we've been using cannot be used anymore, it will simply be one more step towards organic gardening.
Our ultimate goal should always be absolute symbiosis with the environment around us. Currently, we just kill anything that gets in our way, with no thought of the consequences.
You didn't even address my water quality post. Let me ask you again.. Do you think things stay where they are sprayed or something?
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That's the problem. When people talk they want a "balanced" story. If Hitler doesn't get a 50/50 shake then the article is bias?
First you post a link of conventional farmer trying to get organic certified using conventional methods. Then you post a link to a biotechnology advocacy group. Now you want "balanced" reporting upholding some BS argument that conventional farming produces 100% more food.
You're not going to find what you're looking for because outside your lobbyist group's walls reality takes place. Sustainable farming provides 95% the output of conventional farming and provides land stewardship, not to mention it's perfectly suited for organic crops. The fact of the matter is most organic farmers don't even bother with the organic certification as the costs aren't worth it.
I think people have just shopped at the local mega-mart for too long. They have no idea how to find a CSA or farmers market. The only place organic food is over priced is in your mega store. Keep in mind that we're talking about in season foods. For you guys that insist on fresh tomatoes in December you're going to get killed for organic certified foods. But then again you're an idiot if you expect that cheaply.
Amused:
I don't care about the productivity of farming. That's completely irrelevant.
The issue is about people caring about being healthy.
You're absolutely insane if you thing you can stuff yourself like the guy at McDonalds did with organic fruits, vegetables and whole grains and gain as much weight as quickly as he did. First, Mcdonald's food contains far more calories per unit size than organic whole foods do. It would be physically impossible to cram in 5000 calories in whole foods. It takes too much space. Second, the foods at Mcdonald's are absorbed by your body much more quickly. Sugar is from the soda and white bread is instantly in your blood. Whole foods take hours.
It's impossible to get that many calories in. Can you gain weight? Yes, but only a small fraction as fast as Mcdonalds.
You completely ignored my other factors, such as health. With organic foods (or just normal whole foods), you'll be getting resveratrol, folic Acid, lutein, natural beta carotene, lycopene, iron, essential amino acids, powerful antioxidants and so much more.
What do you get in Mcdonalds? Sh1t. Pure steaming sh1t. It will increase your LDL and decrease your HDL.
Organic foods are healthier. First, there's no pesticides/herbicides. Do I really need to explain why that's good? Second, it has been proven that free-range organic meats and wild Salmon are much better for you. They contain more omega 3 fats.
I don't care about the productivity of farming. That's completely irrelevant.
The issue is about people caring about being healthy.
You're absolutely insane if you thing you can stuff yourself like the guy at McDonalds did with organic fruits, vegetables and whole grains and gain as much weight as quickly as he did. First, Mcdonald's food contains far more calories per unit size than organic whole foods do. It would be physically impossible to cram in 5000 calories in whole foods. It takes too much space. Second, the foods at Mcdonald's are absorbed by your body much more quickly. Sugar is from the soda and white bread is instantly in your blood. Whole foods take hours.
It's impossible to get that many calories in. Can you gain weight? Yes, but only a small fraction as fast as Mcdonalds.
You completely ignored my other factors, such as health. With organic foods (or just normal whole foods), you'll be getting resveratrol, folic Acid, lutein, natural beta carotene, lycopene, iron, essential amino acids, powerful antioxidants and so much more.
What do you get in Mcdonalds? Sh1t. Pure steaming sh1t. It will increase your LDL and decrease your HDL.
Organic foods are healthier. First, there's no pesticides/herbicides. Do I really need to explain why that's good? Second, it has been proven that free-range organic meats and wild Salmon are much better for you. They contain more omega 3 fats.
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I haven't seen it. But even then I don't need a dumbass to tell me that eating fastfood that much will make you fat. No sh*t. If you needed this movie to tell you that then you deserve to get fat. He could have gone to any other fastfood joint and the same thing would have happened... but according to some people McDonald's is the only one that will make you fat. :roll:
Sweet. It was a 100-100 tie in the voting, and I cast the tiebreaking vote for... NO!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out McDonalds is generally unhealthy. Like many things, in moderation it can be fine.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out McDonalds is generally unhealthy. Like many things, in moderation it can be fine.
I'll just ignore everything else you said, as I don't care to respond to anything except the bolded part. Productivity is far from irrelevant. If organic foods prove to be healthier, what's it matter if the people who can afford it are healthy when everyone else dies?
It is irrelevant to this topic. This was about someone calling the vegan girlfriend a bitch. There's nothing wrong with eating healthier.
The problem with starvation in 3rd world countries is more a matter of logistics than farming. The food spoils before the people can eat it.
Overpopulation is another problem.
But that's totally off topic here.
And another problem is consumption. Too many people in america eat too much. If people ate whole foods, they'd eat less. Just go to a restaurant. They give you a whole bunch of food, you stuff yourself silly, then you throw out half of it. And people are calling this woman that eats so little a bitch?
The problem with starvation in 3rd world countries is more a matter of logistics than farming. The food spoils before the people can eat it.
Overpopulation is another problem.
But that's totally off topic here.
And another problem is consumption. Too many people in america eat too much. If people ate whole foods, they'd eat less. Just go to a restaurant. They give you a whole bunch of food, you stuff yourself silly, then you throw out half of it. And people are calling this woman that eats so little a bitch?
Eli, Wikipedia is not a valid source. Sure, it's good for the common look-up of something non-important. But you have to remember that Wikipedia is edited by the general public.
This is the main reason why college professors will never accept it as a source for papers/reports.
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Again, what do you think they use to fatten up farm animals? McDonald's?
What do you think they use to produce the VERY SAME EFFECTS in geese that Spurlock suffered in the movie? McDonald's?
No, Grains.
Spurlocks symptoms, EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEM was indicative of gorging, and can be reproduced with ANY FOOD. It is, on a daily basis, reproduced in farm animals using grains.
And, yet again, produce ONE SINGLE peer reviewed, and repeated study showing people who eat organic foods are healthier and/or live longer than people who eat comparable standard foods. You cannot. So please, stop making the "organic is healthier" claim. It's not supported by science.
NOTHING, in excess, is healthy. Moderation and balance is key. As for cholesterol, some people can eat what ever they want, and never have their numbers budge. Other can eat perfectly healthy diets and have high cholsterol. Even Drs are now admitting that cholsterol is more genetics than diet. If you're prone to high cholsterol, then obviously ANY beef or ANY deep fried foods should be avoided (not just the burgers and fries at McDonald's). If not, neither in moderation is going to kill you.
waggy
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heh the topic is about eating healthy. How healthy do you think people would be eating if productivity of farmers were cut by even 30%?
as for the "documentry" its biased. you triple your calories of course you are going to get fat and have health problems. with that and the lack of excercise its a desaster waiting to happen.
Anyway it does not matter. the guy just did it to earn money and fame. Heck he got himself a TV show out of it!
I called her that, because she was acting like a pompous bitch. Especially when she said something to the effect of, "Well, isn't this better than that genetically processed food you will be eating?"
Yes, anything in excess in unhealthy, I agree. But the issue was about someone calling a vegan woman a bitch. Or at least that was my original issue.
I said a balanced orangic food diet.
Of course, this movie is a extreme take on fast food.
What the hell. Give me one source saying that pesitcides and herbicides are not bad for you.
http://www.omri.org/NYT_5-8-02.html
http://www.consumersunion.org/food/organicpr.htm
This is common sense. Something without pesticides is better for you than something with. This isn't rocket science. I don't need a silly research paper to tell me something so obvious.
Free range meats are healthier because the animals get a natural diet instead of being fed grains:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/08/health/main592163.shtml
http://uvalde.tamu.edu/rangel/oct01/raHN.pdf
http://www.eatwild.com/health.html
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T041100.asp
As for cholesterol, diet does help.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/...ies/health/heartscore/main672603.shtml
Mcdonalds does hurt your LDL and HDL levels.
People in the US eat too much in general. And of the wrong things. If they ate healthier, they wouldn't eat as much. More food != healthy
If it was acting, it was acting.
If it was real, I can see why she would care. Her boyfriend is eating junk and getting fat and sluggish. I wouldn't like it if I had a gf and she did that.
What about the people outside of America? Make them use organic farming methods to yield even less food?
If I recall correctly, she said this before he started gorging himself. His 'last good meal', or so she thinks.
Ok, I've never said anything about advocating forcing everyone to grow organic foods. There is a need for pesticides at certain times.
I'm simply defending people's right to eat healthy in a nation like the US.
I've never taken an extreme here. I don't know why people are suggesting that. Wanting organic available in the US for some != forcing 3rd world countries to go organic.
No one is trying to ban organic foods, I'm just saying it's pointless and unnecessary, but if you want to throw away money like that, so be it.
Oh so you think you deserve 'better' foods than them?
waggy
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The US also ships out much of the food we grow. Also many much of it is used as items we use. such as oils, bread/pasta, heck even gas additives.
a 30% reduction in all grown items would be a very very bad thing.
So i am all for increasing the production of farmers.
Well, if you have a right to eat healthy, why don't other people in the world? Are you admitting that organic farming is inherently flawed and could not meet the demands of Third World Nations let alone First World Nations?
My understanding is that organic farming has not taken over all farming and that many organic farms were created with the purpose of organic farming (ie all the old farms are still there).
Yes, I agree a 30% reduction would be bad, but this isn't happening.
If you're pro-output, why not attack the people that go restaurants and throw out half their food?
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you trying to personally attack me as a snobish prick that thinks he's better than anyone else?
You're here on a internet forum. Do you think you're more deserving than people in 3rd world countries that don't have that freedom? No, of course you don't. There was nothing to suggest that.
You're the one acting like a snob because you think overpaying for something with virtually unproven health benefits will make you better than us peons who eat pesticide-rich, genetically modified food.
Some of you are not listening, and I pity you all.
First off, I know many vegetarians that are overweight. They follow the rules completely, as that is the doctrine of their Church or their personal doctrine. Eating too much is what gives you weight. Yes, fat or carbohydrate may be faster at accomplishing that, but ultimately, all in excess of anything including vegetables and protein will give you excess weight. One may display acute symptoms and the other chronic.
You have to be selective in your vegetables, ensuring that you eat a variety so that you aren't deficient in nutrients. Not all vegetables produce all recommended daily intake of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. Often, one produces more of something than another. Broccoli, for instance, would give you a significant level of vitamin A and vitamin C and maybe folate, but insignificant of other vitamins.
Furthermore, excess vegetables could lead to nitrate toxicity, especially in infants:
Pharmacokinetics of Nitrate
Nitrate/Nitrite Toxicity
"Nitrates in vegetables--proposals for their limitation in Poland"
Nitrate and Infants
Nitrate is naturally occurring in vegetables, so it isn't always due to man-made influences or manure.
Vitamin A toxicity, even though in beta-carotene form it would only show in skin discoloration (i.e., orange skin). Chronic toxicity, as opposed to acute toxicity, occurs, since the conversion process to retinol is much longer.
And of course I mentioned vitamin B-12 being negligible in vegetables. It could lead to pernicious anemia. Even if one buys unpopular arguments made in regards to B-12 and vegetables, there's still an admission that some common vegetables cause damage to intestinal flora, which impairs production of B-12.
P.S. Amused, as much as I agree with you on some subjects, I would appreciate it if you provide supporting evidence to some of your argument.
First off, I know many vegetarians that are overweight. They follow the rules completely, as that is the doctrine of their Church or their personal doctrine. Eating too much is what gives you weight. Yes, fat or carbohydrate may be faster at accomplishing that, but ultimately, all in excess of anything including vegetables and protein will give you excess weight. One may display acute symptoms and the other chronic.
You have to be selective in your vegetables, ensuring that you eat a variety so that you aren't deficient in nutrients. Not all vegetables produce all recommended daily intake of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. Often, one produces more of something than another. Broccoli, for instance, would give you a significant level of vitamin A and vitamin C and maybe folate, but insignificant of other vitamins.
Furthermore, excess vegetables could lead to nitrate toxicity, especially in infants:
Pharmacokinetics of Nitrate
Nitrate/Nitrite Toxicity
"Nitrates in vegetables--proposals for their limitation in Poland"
Nitrate and Infants
Nitrate is naturally occurring in vegetables, so it isn't always due to man-made influences or manure.
Vitamin A toxicity, even though in beta-carotene form it would only show in skin discoloration (i.e., orange skin). Chronic toxicity, as opposed to acute toxicity, occurs, since the conversion process to retinol is much longer.
And of course I mentioned vitamin B-12 being negligible in vegetables. It could lead to pernicious anemia. Even if one buys unpopular arguments made in regards to B-12 and vegetables, there's still an admission that some common vegetables cause damage to intestinal flora, which impairs production of B-12.
P.S. Amused, as much as I agree with you on some subjects, I would appreciate it if you provide supporting evidence to some of your argument.
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