sourceninja
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Personally I wish they would of just went with mini-DVI like on the macbooks. I don't understand the benefits of going with displayPort.
However, I HATE glossy screens, so my mac may be my last mac if they don't give me a choice to not have a glossy screen in the next 3 or 4 years.
However, I HATE glossy screens, so my mac may be my last mac if they don't give me a choice to not have a glossy screen in the next 3 or 4 years.
AstroManLuca
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Whatever, it is true, you're just mistaken. I don't know if you just didn't notice the lack of Firewire, or if you were actually using a MacBook Pro, or if you were actually using an old MacBook, but the new aluminum unibody case MacBook (non-Pro) has no Firewire, 400 or 800.
No, you're absolutely right. I just didn't remember correctly since I don't use firewire most of the time and I was at the Mac store all day Saturday helping my sis deciding on which one to get. I probably saw the FW800 port on a Pro model and not the plain Macbook.
GodlessAstronomer
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Are you seriously so dense that you don't understand my point? Because if that's the case I'm outta here, there's no point in speaking to someone with the intellect of a bucket of fruit.
videogames101
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Increasing, but, I'd bet ubuntu is growing faster than mac.
ubuntu is better in every way, like, every way
and it's free
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
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lol
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Wow. I'm no Mac fan but Jesus Christ.
1) Macs are very unpopular compared to PCs: Apple sold about 2.5 million Macs to the world last quarter. That may seem like a lot, and for Apple, they are. Their sales are definitely up considerably over the last two years.
However, the world bought 72 million PCs last year. This gives Apple a whopping 3.5% world market share, which means PCs have the other 96.5%. Yes, 3.5% is definitely better than the 2-2.5% it was getting just a few years back, but when you go from losing 98-2 to losing 97-3, yes, that's an improvement, but . . . .
That 3.5% doesn't even look too good compared to some of Apple's sales in the past. Back in 1995, Apple sold 4.5 million Macs out of a total 50 million PCs sold. That was 9% world market share, or 2.5 times as much as it is now. Put another way, the average computer buyer is less than half as likely to buy a Mac in 2008 as he or she was in 1995.
2) Where the future is, Macs aren't: PCs are a worldwide phenomenon. Less than one in four PCs are now sold in the United States. Asian PCs sales are now about double that of the United States. There is absolutely no doubt that this difference will continue and grow in the future.
The story is quite different for Macs. Over half of the Macs sold in the world are sold in the United States. Europe represents most of the rest. Japan buys 4% of the total, and total Asian sales are probably around 10%. Yes, if you look at the U.S. alone, Apple had almost an 8% market share last quarter, but market share in Asia is probably less than 1%. The growth markets in the PC industry are in Asia, and Macs aren't there.
3. It's just a PC!! Repeat after me, a Mac is just a PC. There is no hardware difference between the two machines any more, they use the same type processor and are built with the same off-the-shelf PC components.** The only technical difference between the two is that a Mac has some added routines built-in to allow the use of MacOsX. That's it. If anyone says the Mac is better because it looks nicer, they are shallow people who are literally judging a book by its cover.
(**What is true is that the average Mac will have a faster Intel processor than, say, the average Dell, but that's because you have no choice in the matter with Apple. It's also true that Apple will occasionally make available PC technologies standard a bit earlier than the PC manufacturer, which might be good if you actually use, say, a Firewire port, not so good if you don't.)
The only grounds upon which Apple/Mac users can possibly claim any measure of superiority is in software, simply because there is no difference in the hardware. The funny thing about that is that the average Mac user can't explain to you why MacOSX is better if you ask them for specifics; they almost always get mystical on you.
Oh, they'll mention a few concrete talking points, but when you look at them closely, you'll see that these "advantages" would vanish if Macs ever became successful. Take "Macs can't get viruses." First, there aren't as many viruses out there these days, it's much more lucrative writing ad/spy/malware. Second, Macs certainly can get viruses. Third, it's true Macs generally don't get viruses, but that's just because there's so few of them around compared to PCs. If you're out to wreak havoc, who are you going to target, 97% of the market, or 3%? Finally, what do you think is going to happen when a serious virus-writer does target that 3%, who think they can't get a virus?
4) The unifying theme: Look at who uses them!! Any ad which just said what I just said would be boring, no, dreadful. You can't tell this story, you have to show it, and the way to show it is through the Mac user. There's no need to reinvent the wheel here. Take the hit that all MS can do is copy Apple, and use the same format, even the same look Apple does with the PC/Mac commercials. Just turn the tables on the Mac guy. If you can't spoof Mac users as shallow, self-centered pompous asses ad infinitum, you'd better hang it up.
Here's a few starters:
PC Guy: How come nobody buys Macs?
Mac Man: Only cool people buy Macs.
PC Guy: (points to graph showing Mac share drop since 1995) How come there's a lot fewer cool people around these days?
Mac Guy: Macs have become sooo much cooler that only the very coolest people, like me, qualify to own one. That and global warming.
PC Guy: If Macs are so easy to use, why do you need Apple Geniuses in Apple Stores?
Mac Man: Because Mac users need to talk to equals.
PC Guy: But if nothing ever goes wrong with a Mac, what do you have to talk about?
Mac Guy: We talk about what geniuses we are.
PC Guy: Why should I buy a Mac rather than a PC?
Mac Man: Because they are superior.
PC Guy: How are they superior?
Mac Guy: Is it not obvious?
PC Guy: Well, no.
Mac Man: You need to evolve some more.
PC Guy: Couldn't you just tell me why?
Mac Guy: Words cannot even begin to explain. Only the greatest minds can understand and appreciate such wonders, and such people have no need for explanations. All the deserving few need to do to get it is sit in a lotus position and chant, "MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC" for a few hours everyday until enlightenment comes. Would you like to join me?
However, the world bought 72 million PCs last year. This gives Apple a whopping 3.5% world market share, which means PCs have the other 96.5%. Yes, 3.5% is definitely better than the 2-2.5% it was getting just a few years back, but when you go from losing 98-2 to losing 97-3, yes, that's an improvement, but . . . .
That 3.5% doesn't even look too good compared to some of Apple's sales in the past. Back in 1995, Apple sold 4.5 million Macs out of a total 50 million PCs sold. That was 9% world market share, or 2.5 times as much as it is now. Put another way, the average computer buyer is less than half as likely to buy a Mac in 2008 as he or she was in 1995.
2) Where the future is, Macs aren't: PCs are a worldwide phenomenon. Less than one in four PCs are now sold in the United States. Asian PCs sales are now about double that of the United States. There is absolutely no doubt that this difference will continue and grow in the future.
The story is quite different for Macs. Over half of the Macs sold in the world are sold in the United States. Europe represents most of the rest. Japan buys 4% of the total, and total Asian sales are probably around 10%. Yes, if you look at the U.S. alone, Apple had almost an 8% market share last quarter, but market share in Asia is probably less than 1%. The growth markets in the PC industry are in Asia, and Macs aren't there.
3. It's just a PC!! Repeat after me, a Mac is just a PC. There is no hardware difference between the two machines any more, they use the same type processor and are built with the same off-the-shelf PC components.** The only technical difference between the two is that a Mac has some added routines built-in to allow the use of MacOsX. That's it. If anyone says the Mac is better because it looks nicer, they are shallow people who are literally judging a book by its cover.
(**What is true is that the average Mac will have a faster Intel processor than, say, the average Dell, but that's because you have no choice in the matter with Apple. It's also true that Apple will occasionally make available PC technologies standard a bit earlier than the PC manufacturer, which might be good if you actually use, say, a Firewire port, not so good if you don't.)
The only grounds upon which Apple/Mac users can possibly claim any measure of superiority is in software, simply because there is no difference in the hardware. The funny thing about that is that the average Mac user can't explain to you why MacOSX is better if you ask them for specifics; they almost always get mystical on you.
Oh, they'll mention a few concrete talking points, but when you look at them closely, you'll see that these "advantages" would vanish if Macs ever became successful. Take "Macs can't get viruses." First, there aren't as many viruses out there these days, it's much more lucrative writing ad/spy/malware. Second, Macs certainly can get viruses. Third, it's true Macs generally don't get viruses, but that's just because there's so few of them around compared to PCs. If you're out to wreak havoc, who are you going to target, 97% of the market, or 3%? Finally, what do you think is going to happen when a serious virus-writer does target that 3%, who think they can't get a virus?
4) The unifying theme: Look at who uses them!! Any ad which just said what I just said would be boring, no, dreadful. You can't tell this story, you have to show it, and the way to show it is through the Mac user. There's no need to reinvent the wheel here. Take the hit that all MS can do is copy Apple, and use the same format, even the same look Apple does with the PC/Mac commercials. Just turn the tables on the Mac guy. If you can't spoof Mac users as shallow, self-centered pompous asses ad infinitum, you'd better hang it up.
Here's a few starters:
PC Guy: How come nobody buys Macs?
Mac Man: Only cool people buy Macs.
PC Guy: (points to graph showing Mac share drop since 1995) How come there's a lot fewer cool people around these days?
Mac Guy: Macs have become sooo much cooler that only the very coolest people, like me, qualify to own one. That and global warming.
PC Guy: If Macs are so easy to use, why do you need Apple Geniuses in Apple Stores?
Mac Man: Because Mac users need to talk to equals.
PC Guy: But if nothing ever goes wrong with a Mac, what do you have to talk about?
Mac Guy: We talk about what geniuses we are.
PC Guy: Why should I buy a Mac rather than a PC?
Mac Man: Because they are superior.
PC Guy: How are they superior?
Mac Guy: Is it not obvious?
PC Guy: Well, no.
Mac Man: You need to evolve some more.
PC Guy: Couldn't you just tell me why?
Mac Guy: Words cannot even begin to explain. Only the greatest minds can understand and appreciate such wonders, and such people have no need for explanations. All the deserving few need to do to get it is sit in a lotus position and chant, "MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC" for a few hours everyday until enlightenment comes. Would you like to join me?
videogames101
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GodlessAstronomer
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Well I can only go on my own personal experience because I don't follow the Linux community or even care enough to do a Google search. How about the fact that the OS is incapable is Ad Hoc wireless networking? How about the fact that I can't use my wireless networking card without connecting to the internet to download packages. Hello! I need my fucking wireless card to connect, asshole! How about when I manually try to install packages I get fucking asshole messages like these Well thanks for letting me know I can't install Package A without installing Package B, but also you need Package A to install Package B.
The fact is that nothing in Ubuntu works intuitively and most things don't work FULL STOP. Fuck Ubuntu with a 10 foot pole.
AstroManLuca
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videogames101
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Anways, what are the major reasons why I think this way?
-Well, security on linux is under more scrutiny than any other operating system, if there is a hole in the kernal, it'll be fixed about an hour after it's discovered.
-Gaming sucks on both, but linux is faster on the games that do work with it
-Customization, it's linux, you can change w/e the hell you want
-Support is abundent for linux, you have a problem, you can fix it yourself, get help form great communities, or talk straight to the developers over irc.
Macs? Good luck with that.....
-COMMUNITY!!! The whole community is nothing but willing to help with anything, everyone can be a developer, don't like something? You can change it! Tell the devs your opinion, they listen.
Sounds like you've had some bad luck, because, ubuntu is so easy to use that I can't think of a way better way to implement program installation. Packages tell you their dependencies, and, you'll find more often then not, all you do is click and you can install all dependencies, and update all your old packages, etc etc etc.
Wireless works out of the box for me, but I'm sure if you could have used another rig to download the required packages for your wireless card?
GodlessAstronomer
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I did use another rig to download the packages (actually same rig, dual booted into Vista) and that's how I ran into the package dependencies issue. I needed to boot back and forth between OS's because there's no way to tell exactly which packages you need to install until the packages you are trying to installtells you you need another one. And for what it's worth it's a very, very common Atheros wireless card. I eventually got it working after downloading 80+ packages but it still doesn't support my Ad Hoc network. From what I've read this simply isn't possible in Ubuntu at this stage. I've got a open mind about the OS (it's still on my lappy) but it is not even close to being as intuitive and easy to use as either Windows or OS-X.
Touchy touchy. Did someone piss in your Kool Aid this morning?
Everyone knows that new products need to progress in order to be innovative. Granted Apple does remove important choices, sometimes a bit prematurely, but maintaining legacy systems is very costly and inhibitive to their goals so they're passing off the option and the cost to you, the customer.
I personally don't see it as a bad idea but trying to pass that off as a scam to interested people doesn't help your position either. In fact it makes you look like a poor and miserable little nerd where $30 into a 3 year investment is a huge dent to your wallet.
In the end, Apple is a business thus vision and profit is their first and foremost interest..don't ever forget that. They're not here to save the world from poverty you know.
GodlessAstronomer
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Point is, they will sell and you will continue to complain and pay. That's a successful business. The Miniport output was designed to work with Apple displays which if I'm correct, passes through more than just video data to integrate with their systems for flexible color calibration etc. Be glad that they're giving you the option to use an adapter with a 3rd party display.
See my post above. In the past, Apple has used proprietary connectors which gave the user more control over their monitor capabilities for better color accuracy without the need for a 3rd party calibration system.
AstroManLuca
Lifer
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And thus rendered those displays completely obsolete within a couple years.
A small number of people need calibration. They will buy calibration tools. Most don't.
Then again, given their absolutely in-fucking-sane display prices, I can't ever feel sorry for anyone who buys an Apple display and then sees it become obsolete because of a proprietary connector. It's their own fault for wasting so much money.
So....don't get a Mac or....don't use the features?....The Miniport is smaller and better than the DVI connector. Makes sense for a slim laptop.
BTW, also aren't most computers "obsolete" within a couple of years? Hmm...
MrPickins, if they aren't complaining, what is the problem? Who are you to judge one's judgement?
AstroManLuca
Lifer
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I'm not talking about computers, I'm talking about monitors. Most monitors outlast the computers they were originally hooked up to.
Nope. Ive been slowly upgrading mine throughout the past three years.
Edit: took out that argument provoking comment.
This thread needs to die, its going nowhere guys. LET IT DIE
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