Stupid mac ads today..

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Ns1

Everyone I know that has a Mac friggin loves the dock at the bottom, which I find annoying. What is so wrong with desktop shortcuts or a quick launch bar?

It's the same goddamn thing.

FAR from it. I like the fact that it'll zoom without the ugly pixelation and will animate when a certain iprogram needs attention. The Windows one is blocky and goes all crazy when you try to do stuff. It's just far more efficient.

Wut? The dock has ZERO extra functionality over what Vista offers.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Ns1

Everyone I know that has a Mac friggin loves the dock at the bottom, which I find annoying. What is so wrong with desktop shortcuts or a quick launch bar?

It's the same goddamn thing.

FAR from it. I like the fact that it'll zoom without the ugly pixelation and will animate when a certain iprogram needs attention. The Windows one is blocky and goes all crazy when you try to do stuff. It's just far more efficient.

You're referring to a third-party Windows program that tries to recreate the Dock. We're talking about the taskbar that is built into Windows and works just fine. It's designed to be used with Windows' slightly different window management scheme and works just fine. Panes in the taskbar flash orange or blue when they need attention, which IMO is less annoying than the OS X "dock bounce."

One thing I love about OS X is Exposé, and Windows doesn't really have the same thing. You can quickly show the desktop with Windows-D, but there's no way to view all the windows at the same time like the F9 function in Exposé. But Windows' alt-tab functionality is the same as OS X and that's all I generally used anyway, even when I was in OS X.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

One thing I love about OS X is Exposé, and Windows doesn't really have the same thing. You can quickly show the desktop with Windows-D, but there's no way to view all the windows at the same time like the F9 function in Exposé. But Windows' alt-tab functionality is the same as OS X and that's all I generally used anyway, even when I was in OS X.

This exists in Vista. Don't remember the shortcuts or names here at school.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I have Vista and as far as I know the only thing is where it cascades all the windows. I've used it and I didn't really like it. It's too hard to see the windows that aren't in front and in general it's much quicker to just pick one by using alt-tab or by just clicking on the taskbar.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Ns1

My stepdad simply can not use a mac. The only way he would get it is if I could put a red X in the right hand corner to close apps and put shortcuts to all his programs on the desktop

Call me an idiot, but the X moved from the right side to the leftside and shortcuts to all the programs are on the bottom of the desktop...


My biggest issue right now is turning CTRL c + v into apple c + v

Unlike windows, closing a window does not always close the application? You almost always have to go to the top bar and select quit or press command-q. This results in him basically running everything and complaining of slowness on their low end imac.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: Ns1

My stepdad simply can not use a mac. The only way he would get it is if I could put a red X in the right hand corner to close apps and put shortcuts to all his programs on the desktop

Call me an idiot, but the X moved from the right side to the leftside and shortcuts to all the programs are on the bottom of the desktop...


My biggest issue right now is turning CTRL c + v into apple c + v

Unlike windows, closing a window does not always close the application? You almost always have to go to the top bar and select quit or press command-q. This results in him basically running everything and complaining of slowness on their low end imac.

I'm still too new at my MB to properly understand this distinction =X

 

[AstroManLuca]

What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

Can a long time Mac user respond to this?

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I was a long time Mac user. Sold my Mac and built a PC in January. Until then, I had used OS X starting around the time Jaguar came out (late 2002). I'm also a regular at an Apple forum, where I still post even though I don't have a Mac anymore. And believe me, the UI nazis there (you know, the ones who rightly love OS X because the UI is so much better designed than Windows) hate how inconsistent this is. Most of them wish every app would simply close but not quit when you click the close box.

 

[Ns1]

re: astroman, sorry did not know!

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

I picked one up from Amazon, 1200 shipped! Refurb from Apple was 1100 + tax...

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

Command-Q, but yeah. That's what I always did.

As for a used MacBook, you should look at Apple's own refurb store. They have the higher end white MacBook (2.4 GHz, 160 GB, 2 GB, X3100, Superdrive) for $1049. It's just barely more expensive than the old-style MacBook they're currently selling new for $999, but the $999 new one has only a 2.1 GHz processor, 1 GB of RAM, and a 120 GB hard drive. Couple days ago they also had refurb BlackBooks for $50 more and a 250 GB hard drive, but those are gone now.

Refurbished Macs have the same 1-year warranty as new ones so that's what I'd do. Best deal you can get. And I've never heard of one not being virtually identical to a new one. Many were returned without even being used.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

One thing I love about OS X is Exposé, and Windows doesn't really have the same thing. You can quickly show the desktop with Windows-D, but there's no way to view all the windows at the same time like the F9 function in Exposé. But Windows' alt-tab functionality is the same as OS X and that's all I generally used anyway, even when I was in OS X.

This exists in Vista. Don't remember the shortcuts or names here at school.

Win+Tab instead of Alt+Tab

 

[sourceninja]

I actually prefer being able to close windows without closing applications. it lets me run some applications headless. I run mail, itunes, adium, etc in that way. They do not take up space as a minimized window and they do not take up screen space. Best of both worlds. I really wish windows has this ability. This is why I love how the dock seperates applications that are running and minimized windows.

This is how the dock is better then quick launch/start bar. It's like a best of both worlds approach. It can hold quick lauches, show you whats running and have separate sections for minimized windows and 'stacks'. In my opinion this is the one feature i would love to take back with me to any OS I use. I have yet to see any programs for windows or linux that work as well.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

Can a long time Mac user respond to this?

Traditionally in pre-X MacOS you had to manually go to File->Quit or Command + Q to fully kill the application. Closing a window didn't close the program.

The majority of windows applications on the other hand did, so users used to working in Windows left lab Macs with open applications but closed windows...

Neither behaviors bother me since I'm thorough enough to check my resources.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

One thing I love about OS X is Exposé, and Windows doesn't really have the same thing. You can quickly show the desktop with Windows-D, but there's no way to view all the windows at the same time like the F9 function in Exposé. But Windows' alt-tab functionality is the same as OS X and that's all I generally used anyway, even when I was in OS X.

This exists in Vista. Don't remember the shortcuts or names here at school.

Win+Tab instead of Alt+Tab

That's something I actually love about compiz in Linux. Throw mouse into a specified corner of the screen, the open apps tile out. Select the one you want.

I think there's no doubt that compiz kills both Vista and OSX for desktop eye candy. Unfortunately it doesn't always play well with all applications, and either the app or window manager (worse) may die when errors come about.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

Only on the MacBook Pro, which is $700 more expensive than the MacBook.

MacBooks have no Firewire at all. They're still selling the old versions, which do, but the new ones don't.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

Only on the MacBook Pro, which is $700 more expensive than the MacBook.

MacBooks have no Firewire at all. They're still selling the old versions, which do, but the new ones don't.

Well considering I spent my entire weekend on the new 13.3" Macbook, I'd have to sort of disagree with you on that.

On second thought, maybe I have a tumor.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

Only on the MacBook Pro, which is $700 more expensive than the MacBook.

MacBooks have no Firewire at all. They're still selling the old versions, which do, but the new ones don't.

Well considering I spent my entire weekend on the new 13.3" Macbook, I'd have to sort of disagree with you on that.

http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html

http://www.macworld.com/articl...0/macbooksandpros.html

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

Only on the MacBook Pro, which is $700 more expensive than the MacBook.

MacBooks have no Firewire at all. They're still selling the old versions, which do, but the new ones don't.

Well considering I spent my entire weekend on a 13.3"

Keep that to yourself.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

And they'll sell you an adapter for a cool $29.99. Also don't forget to get your external display adapter for a further $29.99. This is the future people!

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

And they'll sell you an adapter for a cool $29.99. Also don't forget to get your external display adapter for a further $29.99. This is the future people!

Again, FW800 is only present on the MBP, not the MB. But yes, the FW800 to FW400 adapter is (EDIT: $20, not $30) from Apple ($1-10 everywhere else).

Also, if you can't decide between DisplayPort to VGA and DisplayPort to DVI, you just have to pick one or buy both. You can't use DVI-VGA adapters with the DisplayPort-DVI connector because the DVI signal on the connector is digital-only and doesn't carry the analog signal.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
What's extra bad is that Apple has been really inconsistent about when clicking the red circle just closes the window and when it quits. Apparently the convention is that it only quits when you're in a single window application. Clicking it in iTunes does not quit because iTunes can have multiple windows. It's very inconsistent and confusing. Also, whenever I used to go to the computer lab at my school and sit down at a Mac, I always had to quit out of a bunch of apps that other people left open.

From my limited use of OSX, I just made a mental note to follow the general rule that if I want something to actually close completely, then I option?-quit. (the clover-looking key right?).

I'd like to have a Macbook, but since they removed firewire from the new versions, I'm less gung-ho. I might try to pick up a used blackbook from craiglist if I find one cheap enough.

They didn't remove Firewire. They have FW800, just not the legacy connector.

And they'll sell you an adapter for a cool $29.99. Also don't forget to get your external display adapter for a further $29.99. This is the future people!

Actually the external display adapter was only $19.99. I needed it to connect it to my 40" Bravia.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Actually the external display adapter was only $19.99. I needed it to connect it to my 40" Bravia.

:roll: My bad. I live in NZ where hardware costs are approximately 1.5x the price. My point still stands.

Edit - quote trim.