Street Fighter 4 out for PC tomorrow

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: minmaster
get this one if you want with gamepad.

http://www.amazon.com/Street-F...undle-Pc/dp/B002914DLK

i have xbox 360 pc pad but i heard digital isn't for street fighter. wondering if i should give it a try. i also have a logitech rumblepad 2.

I just ordered this bundle. This will be my first endeavor into fighting games on the PC. I hope that controller doesn't suck...

 

[minmaster]

well the controller is made for the darn game so i'm guessing it's better than all the other game pads out there.

plus it's a bitch without the 6 buttons all next to each other.

 

[CrystalBay]

Yeah , I ordered the same bundle from amazon also , comes today cant wait...

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: CountZero

Originally posted by: lopri
Can anyone help? I'd really like to play this game on PC with joystick, and would like to be able to use the stick on PS3 as well. (have 2 PS3's) I've found:

http://www.amazon.com/Street-F.../ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_b

http://www.amazon.com/Playstat...f=cm_cr_pr_product_top

These work with PS3 but I do not know if they work on PC for sure. As you see these things are expensive!

I've read that the MadCatz PS3 controller does not always work on PCs. Apparently its more likely to work on an Intel machine than AMD but there is a chance it won't work.

The HRAP3 is what I picked up for PC use and Vista recognized it immediately. I ended up manually mapping the buttons in SFIV because it wasn't clear what the various configs did. Also works well in MAME which was half the reason I picked it up. It is apparently fairly easy to mod and add the Sanwa buttons used on the MadCatz stick.

Anyone else find the button configuration setup showing xbox buttons instead of, oh I don't know, the actual game commands kind of dumb? I had to look up what the Xbox 360 buttons did to have any idea what I should map the buttons to.

Yeah that's pretty retarded and an insult to PC gamers, I let it slip because the game is very well optimized.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Well, bought it.

Played it til the last boss, then regretted it, as I had forgotten capcom's last boss rule - Cheat like hell. It's not SNK boss bad, but I think he's actually worse then magneto from X-men, and that's something.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Well, bought it.

Played it til the last boss, then regretted it, as I had forgotten capcom's last boss rule - Cheat like hell. It's not SNK boss bad, but I think he's actually worse then magneto from X-men, and that's something.

You mean Seth? You can unlock him.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Well, bought it.

Played it til the last boss, then regretted it, as I had forgotten capcom's last boss rule - Cheat like hell. It's not SNK boss bad, but I think he's actually worse then magneto from X-men, and that's something.

You got a completely wrong mindset about this. Seth only feels cheap when you don't have the skill to fight him. His AI is designed to counter everything a newb does. You cant just keep jumping on him and expect to win. If you cannot beat Seth, or you have to resort to exploiting his ai or mashing buttons like crazy, it means you SUCK. Pure and simple. Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be a jerk here. It just so happens that you are a very poor player and your skill level is very sub par. You should be able to counter Seth's moves INSTANTLY. This means you must be able to do stuff like hadoken and shoryuken exactly, every time you need to, and not frantically mash the d-pad between forward and down hoping for something to come out when Seth is owning you.... You must then be able to link all this stuff you know into combos, at least 5 hit combos or so. Once you get to that point, even on EASY vs. Seth, then I'd say you are pretty good. Until then, you pretty much have no right to comment on how cheap or not cheap he is.

I wont deny it. I suck badly in Street Fighter. I always loved this game, yet I always sucked real bad. But for once, I realized that the reason why I suck is because I don't practice. I started practicing when I have time, and already, I am slowly getting better. Be patient and practice, practice, practice. If you are not willing to do that, then Street Fighter is not for you.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Ibex, no matter what your intention was, you're being a jerk.

I bought a game, not a JOB. And I acknowledged my lack of skill when I set it to very easy.

If your last boss is designed to instantly counter everything an unskilled player does even on very easy, then your game designers need to be drug out into the street and shot. Repeatedly, starting in the feet and moving up.

 

[Dorkenstein]

Clubbed, gassed, and burned in pits is more like it. In all seriousness though, I am enjoying the game quite a bit and I am fully aware of my suckitude. But at the same time I am with Phatose, it shouldn't be a job to learn a new game. I'm not giving up though, I want to get better. I also have spare time, which not everyone may have an abundance of.

 

[calyco]

Tell me about it PhatoseAlpha, I was just playing earlier and was starting to enjoy it a little.. until I got up to Seth which totally ruined the game for me. F'ing cheap piece of sh!t, got me so pissed off almost broke my Rumblepad 2 (Logitech gamepads are pretty durable lol).

 

[zgmfx10a]

Originally posted by: Dorkenstein
Can anyone tell me where to get high quality arcade stick parts to swap into the HRAP3?

EBAY,, Trust me , GOOooooo Ebay

 

[zgmfx10a]

Originally posted by: benlg
Tell me about it PhatoseAlpha, I was just playing earlier and was starting to enjoy it a little.. until I got up to Seth which totally ruined the game for me. F'ing cheap piece of sh!t, got me so pissed off almost broke my Rumblepad 2 (Logitech gamepads are pretty durable lol).

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Ibex, no matter what your intention was, you're being a jerk.

I bought a game, not a JOB. And I acknowledged my lack of skill when I set it to very easy.

If your last boss is designed to instantly counter everything an unskilled player does even on very easy, then your game designers need to be drug out into the street and shot. Repeatedly, starting in the feet and moving up.

Guys common it's NOT that hard.. Theres an obvious pattern to the computer playing Seth..

This is a skill based game, ur supposed to have SOMETHING to work at. Soooo.. no it's not a JOB, but if you don't enjoy practicing to begin with. well just play something else.

It's not suckitude you're looking at, it's just that you haven't memorized the mechanics yet.

If you want to scrape at the bare bones of "fighting games" well theres Half Circle,, Quarter Circle,, Full Circle,, Dragon punch,, Jump Install,, Tiger Knee,, Instant Dash,, and Jump Cancel. That's Really about it.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

I already know the mechanics very well. All those things - I ain't new to fighters.

I just don't care for joystick reading, instant counter Dural rip-off uber bossses who only have super special moves. It's cheesy, and so is he.

And really, that's what Seth is. A cheap ass cheater boss - clearly evident from the difficulty cliff he represents.


And for the record, it's real, real hard to 'practice' when every fight up until cheater the boss is a cakewalk. That's what you guys seem to be somehow missing - all I'd be practicing is memorizing the last boss's super attack robot pattern, not actually playing the damned game.

 

[minmaster]

lol i had a tough time beating seth on easiest with the several characters to unlock special characters.

the best method for me was to keep spamming medium and heavy kicks from a distance.

gonna be tough to unlock akuma and gouken.

 

[Barfo]

I agree, the only thing I didn't like about SF4 was the last boss, talk about cheap, though, it was really frustrating the first 4 or so fights and then I guess I have memorized his patterns because it isn't hard to beat anymore. And anyway, 95% of my playing time is going to be againts human players so *shrug*

 

[minmaster]

do people play with seth online? and is it as easy it is to cheese with him as the AI does it? that sucking in special move and spitting out is pretty damn cheesey. and the constant pile driver combo crap too.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Ibex, no matter what your intention was, you're being a jerk.

Well, if that is the case, I am sorry, what can i say....

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha

I bought a game, not a JOB. And I acknowledged my lack of skill when I set it to very easy.

Well you kinda misunderstood. He does counter everything a newb does, but you only need to have grown in skill just a little to be able to beat him on easiest difficulty.

As for the job thing. It really depends on how you look at it. In a sense, everything we do in this life is a job, and in everything we do, we must strive for absolute perfection. Obviously none or very few of us ever do that, but ideally, that is how things must be done. We only have one life, why not strive to do our best in everything we do?

All that talk aside, I am a firm believer that when someone really wants something he will be good at it. So in your case it means that you just don't care about SF enough.. And that is FINE! You might not be a very good SF player, but you might excel in RL, where someone who's very good in SF might fail miserably. As for me, I've been maniacally obsessed with this game since I was 11, so I will off course practice as much as it takes me to get better. I have a fairly busy life, but I do find at least an hour a day to hone my SF skills.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

OK, fine. Look, here's the thing. I can in fact, beat him on easiest without wanting to put a controller through the wall.

But, the 8 fighters before him on easiest might as well be the special olympics karate team. It's no a whole lot of fun because they barely fight back.

So my choice is either play on easiest, in which case the last fight is interesting and the rest is boring, or play on a harder difficult level, where the rest of the game is fun but the last boss makes me want to alt-f4.

It's not well balanced, and it looks like I'm not the only one encountering this. And I'm not even sure it's necessary - Bison in SF2 wasn't playable, but he didn't really cheat, as they showed in champion edition. And the alpha series skipped stupid crazy last bosses entirely - always just your rival.

I think they could've had the 'fight your rival' be the last fight, and improved the game considerably.

 

[fustercluck]

Been enjoying the game a lot. For so long Street Fighter 2 on SNES has been the only fighting game I would have interest in playing, so many SF games inbetween I was not interested in but I think Street Fighter 4 is the one I'll make the jump to.

Getting the right controller may be difficult though...my PS2 controller is working OK, used the D-pad for a while but it proved to be too difficult so I switched to analog. Analog is a bit too smooth like I'll end up doing a more complex move (like the spinning uppercut from ryu or ken...forgot what it's called) instead of just a simple hadoken like I wanted. Need something inbetween the D-pad and analog sensitivity.

I played on Easy arcade mode the first time through just to get the hang of everything and it was fun...the last two battles provided the only challenge, but they were much tougher than the previous battles which were all push overs. I didn't lose until the last two fighters, in total I probably lost to those two about 20 times - Guess it's to be expected since I didn't know any of Rufus' or Seth's attacks.

PS some of the graphic textures look pretty weird (mostly skin it seems), but that's normal, right? Here's a pic: SF4 Screen shot

 

[calyco]

I just gave it another try today and beat Seth on the first go, basically cheap the cheap AI. I'd block, wait for him to do his cheesy gay combo and just shoryuken or heavy kick trip. Or when he jumps at me he gets a uppercut up the ass. Its funny and childish how angry I got at a game, brings me back to the controller chucking SNES days heh. Guess the games OK, the 2D/3D graphics are pretty nice and I like the feel of it overall. But havent really been into fighters since SF2.. the arcade mode was decent. Then again these fighting games always were a lot more fun with a friend in versus, or Im guessing online nowadays.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Hmmm, Seth isn't the last guy in SF4 unless you aren't very good.

If it's your first play through with a character Akuma should be the last fight, every play through after that Gouken.

Seth is very, very easy to beat, should be easier then most of the other fighters when you figure him out. Make sure to block when he does his Ultra/Super and it's gg. He does his teleport, low stretch arm punch and combo move- all of them countered with the super complex combo- block or jump back on a grab attempt. Tricky to learn at first, pushing back and all, but with a lot of practice you can get the hang of it down

do people play with seth online?

If you get real lucky you will run into people that do. Seth flat out sucks, he has garbage for stam, he doesn't hit hard at all- the only thing he has going for him is his Ultra does a decent amount of damage but that can be shut down by a simple block. Akuma is far, far better then Seth- he has garbage stam too but at least he can hit hard and has decent combo strings and some versatility on how to attack(Sagat still dominates). You can do exactly what the AI does with Seth online and unless the PC online crowd is a staggering amount weaker then the console one you won't land a hit against your opponent. I can play through on the highest difficulty settings with ease(well, I have a lot of trouble doing it with El Fuerte and moderate challenge with a few of the other fighters) and I get absolutely demolished when playing on line(well, unless I get lucky enough to run into a Seth user ).

 

[WraithETC]

If your having trouble with Seth just play as Zangief and spam Lariat the entire time you will win. It even works on hardest with a little more skill.

 

[imported_siberus]

i;ve been playing with the xbox controller using the analog stick not as horrible as soem ppl make it sound. I needed to buy one cuz we have sf4 tourney at school on xbox so i figured this would give me a competitive edge next time around. The xbox controller feels so different then the ps3 to me. So far online has been pretty 50/50. I havent seen anyone out of this world yet no crazy combos alot of 1-2 trip combos. Hardest opponents to me right now are charge characters, blanka in particular is pretty difficuly in the hands of a skilled user. Charge characters are ussually blocking and ready to counter so they can make ur fight a long drawn out one. I;ve found balrog to be devastating online maybe ppl are so used to him being a complete walk in the park in arcade mode that they don;t know what to do against a good balrog user. Millions of kens online lol. I like akuma vs comp not so much vs ppl since he can get dizzy real easily compared to ken/ryu which can really blow in a close match. Only 2 characters atm that i feel really useless with right now e.honda and el fuerte. need to learn them since alot of ppl like to challenge you to a random battle so need to know everyone incase u get stuck with someone ur horrible with and they get soemthing up there ally. I havent played the ps3 version in a while but to me the backgrounds seem to look better on pc and the ink,water and posterizations are pretty neat. Wow i've written way to much already so i'll finish with saying Cammy right now is my fav in sf4.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Hmmm, Seth isn't the last guy in SF4 unless you aren't very good.

If it's your first play through with a character Akuma should be the last fight, every play through after that Gouken..

According to all the guides I've seen, Akuma won't show up period until you've unlocked everyone but him and Gouken.

 

[fustercluck]

It's really difficult to do quick down>right or down>left movements on a ps2 controller. Damn near impossible to do ultimate/super combos that requite down>right twice in a row. Argh...going to have to buy a controller just for this game - Or maybe time to build an arcade stick like I've always wanted to do. That sounds like a much better option even though I'm horrible at DIY stuff.