State of the Union 2024

[fskimospy]

Call out the lies by posting lies of your own? No, I don't think that's productive.

If you think something I’ve said is inaccurate then say what it is, specifically.

It is a fact that I never once said that poor people should feel great about their circumstances. Those were lies.

Running on a platform of "the economy is doing better" without also acknowledging that it isn't necessarily better for everyone and that there is a lot more that can be done if we vote out a lot more GOP stooges might turn off a bunch of voters. That certainly doesn't mean Dems need to run on a platform of "the economy is terrible."

I never said democrats need to run on a platform of ‘the economy is terrible’. In fact I’ve repeatedly said that’s a bad idea! I’ve also never advocated to ignore it isn’t better for everyone.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. I don’t think any of you even know what you’re arguing against anymore because you keep repeating my position.

 

[cytg111]

Holy crap, yes the guy is clearly demented

What the actual fuck. Guy is sharp. Compare that to Trump any day.

 

[Indus]

Good god that’s sinister. Typically republicans publicly admit their nefarious plans or at least use projection but I’ve heard neither so call me skeptical.

Well we already know they don't like jews, gays, lesbians, trans, bisexual, pansexual, queer, brownies, darkies, blacks, women who want to have an education, women who want a career, health care enthusiasts, climate change enthusiasts, and just about anyone who doesn't like or worship Trump.

Maybe he has a point but the Republican's haven't realized it themselves as yet.

 

[dank69]

If you think something I’ve said is inaccurate then say what it is, specifically.

It is a fact that I never once said that poor people should feel great about their circumstances. Those were lies.


I never said democrats need to run on a platform of ‘the economy is terrible’. In fact I’ve repeatedly said that’s a bad idea! I’ve also never advocated to ignore it isn’t better for everyone.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. I don’t think any of you even know what you’re arguing against anymore because you keep repeating my position.

What is wrong with you? I didn't say you said the Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible. You repeatedly made it seem like that is what your opponents were saying when they didn't agree with you.

 

[fskimospy]

What is wrong with you? I didn't say you said the Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible. You repeatedly made it seem like that is what your opponents were saying when they didn't agree with you.

If you need me to quote the numerous posts here disputing that the economy is doing well I can?

This thread is literally documented proof of liberals arguing that the economy is bad.

 

[dank69]

If you need me to quote the numerous posts here disputing that the economy is doing well I can?

This thread is literally documented proof of liberals arguing that the economy is bad.

That doesn't mean people think Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible.

 

[fskimospy]

That doesn't mean people think Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible.

Ah, so they just think that liberals should repeatedly make public statements that the economy is terrible but not include it in the campaign platform.

Lol. Dude, just stop.

 

[dank69]

Ah, so they just think that liberals should repeatedly make public statements that the economy is terrible but not include it in the campaign platform.

Lol. Dude, just stop.

Where did someone say liberals should make public statements that the economy is terrible?

 

[fskimospy]

Where did someone say liberals should make public statements that the economy is terrible?

They didn’t say it, they literally did it!

 

[dank69]

They didn’t say it, they literally did it!

Super surprised to see you backpedalling. Now we've gone from people are saying Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible to people are saying the economy is terrible. You going to pretend that's the same thing?

 

[fskimospy]

Super surprised to see you backpedalling. Now we've gone from people are saying Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible to people are saying the economy is terrible. You going to pretend that's the same thing?

What? More lies.

I never claimed people were saying Democrats should run on a platform that the economy is bad. I’m saying that’s what they themselves are doing, and that’s a dumb political strategy.

So now you’ve called me a liar and then made up a bunch of fake positions for me to hold, all while telling my own position back to me.

Seriously you should stop digging now.

 

[Brainonska511]

People get a lot of their opinions from social interactions IRL and online, and the news, not campaigns. So when liberals and left leaning people go running around always poopooing everything instead of using a frame of "things generally moving in the right direction but more needs to be done", people just absorb the negativity of "everything bad".

It feels like Will Stancil and his economic rants from 2 months ago all over again...

 

[dank69]

What? More lies.

I never claimed people were saying Democrats should run on a platform that the economy is bad. I’m saying that’s what they themselves are doing, and that’s a dumb political strategy.

So now you’ve called me a liar and then made up a bunch of fake positions for me to hold, all while telling my own position back to me.

Seriously you should stop digging now.

When you talk about political strategy it's reasonable to infer you are talking about what people think the platform should be. Calling what people say on a mostly unknown political forum "political strategy" seems fucking weird.

 

[dank69]

People get a lot of their opinions from social interactions IRL and online, and the news, not campaigns. So when liberals and left leaning people go running around always poopooing everything instead of using a frame of "things generally moving in the right direction but more needs to be done", people just absorb the negativity of "everything bad".

It feels like Will Stancil and his economic rants from 2 months ago all over again...

And I am pretty sure that is the point a lot of people were trying to make: things are generally moving in the right direction but a lot more needs to be done. Unfortunately that's way to long for the average American attention span.

 

[ivwshane]

Should I quote my previous post or are we just doing another ten pages of “you said” “I said”?

 

[fskimospy]

When you talk about political strategy it's reasonable to infer you are talking about what people think the platform should be. Calling what people say on a mostly unknown political forum "political strategy" seems fucking weird.

And heeeeeere comes the real backpedaling.

It is not at all reasonable to infer that whenever I talk about political strategy that it means that’s what I think the party platform should be. Thats self-evidently absurd and you know it.

 

[Moonbeam]

They didn’t say it, they literally did it!

Super surprised to see you backpedalling. Now we've gone from people are saying Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible to people are saying the economy is terrible. You going to pretend that's the same thing?

I am not having the problem you are having with what he is saying. In my opinion there is the same kind of self pity on the part of some Democrats as there is on the part of victim mentality Republicans, a tendency to catastrophize and that will leak out and color how they express themselves. A person doesn’t have to say or believe they are doing this for others to pick up on its presence.

Sorry if I have gotten this wrong and butt in where I shouldn’t.

 

[fskimospy]

Should I quote my previous post or are we just doing another ten pages of “you said” “I said”?

You mean when you said ‘nobody is saying the economy isn’t doing better’ despite people very obviously saying that?

 

[dank69]

And heeeeeere comes the real backpedaling.

It is not at all reasonable to infer that whenever I talk about political strategy that it means that’s what I think the party platform should be. Thats self-evidently absurd and you know it.

I don't know it. This is a thread about SOTU and discussion on what the Democrats political messaging should be. I am backpedalling because if that's what you meant then whatever. I still think it's weird to call our discussions here political strategy.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know it. This is a thread about SOTU and discussion on what the Democrats political messaging should be. I am backpedalling because if that's what you meant then whatever. I still think it's weird to call our discussions here political strategy.

The party platform is one part, honestly a pretty small part, of the overall political messaging strategy. In 2020 the republicans didn’t even have one!

This is all absolutely ridiculous. My position in this thread should be entirely uncontroversial.

 

[HomerJS]

Legislation like a decree to split the US by red/blue state lines and fuck up every American’s life in innumerable and insurmountable ways? It’s you

How does this kind of legislation split the country?

All it means if you need an abortion you can get it. It’s a choice.

 

[repoman0]

How does this kind of legislation split the country?

All it means if you need an abortion you can get it. It’s a choice.

I don't think you're following the conversation. Don't worry about it.

 

[Zorba]

Call out the lies by posting lies of your own? No, I don't think that's productive.

Running on a platform of "the economy is doing better" without also acknowledging that it isn't necessarily better for everyone and that there is a lot more that can be done if we vote out a lot more GOP stooges might turn off a bunch of voters. That certainly doesn't mean Dems need to run on a platform of "the economy is terrible."

Have you read much of this thread? There are multiple people saying the economy was better under Trump. I don't think that is a winning message.

 

[Zorba]

Super surprised to see you backpedalling. Now we've gone from people are saying Dems should run on a platform of the economy is terrible to people are saying the economy is terrible. You going to pretend that's the same thing?

This thread is packed with people claiming that democrats shouldn't be talking about the good economic data because they economy isn't good for everyone. So if dems aren't allowed to run on the economy is doing better/well, what is the alternative? "The economy today sucks worse than 2019, re-elect me so it can keep sucking?" Seriously read what others wrote.

When a big chunk of the democratic party is out there saying the economy sucks, when pretty much all data says otherwise, it makes it much harder to win.

Meanwhile, there were unemployed people willing to attack congress because of "how great Trump had made the economy."

 

[Zorba]

Here @dank69, since you missed these early posts. There are a lot more bashing the economy and "how dare you say the economy is good" posts, maybe you should read them before you keep attacking @fskimospy with his own point.

You really are so unbelievably out of touch if you think this is a good economy. Yeah everyone is just stupid given Biden's 56% disapproval rating because everything is amazing.

Like when you think an economy that's 35% crap gig work is good

Such a great economy when people can't afford homes, healthcare, nor education

It's not really the point of this thread, but pre-pandemic before prices shot through the roof, at least groceries were affordable enough to not spend $100/bag. Housing/rent price increases were inevitable (and will only get worse) but that only matters if you need a new place to live. Day to day expenses have gone up though. Even if it's slowing from inflation decreasing (which I appreciate), shit's still expensive and last I check civilians don't get COLA or inflation adjustments, unless that's what we're calling raises now.

Who said you have to think we live in a Utopia to be able to recognize that capitalism has run amuck, that economic benefits have not kept up to the costs of living OR EVEN CLOSe, and it's ok to recognize that when you are running for office. I think Biden gets it actually, and in fact I think quite a few Dem pols get it - but I think @fskimospy and @ivwshane are fucking morons. I know at least one is a limousine liberal cozied up in what is probably their renovated brownstone in like Park Slope. Not sure what the other's excuses are. Either way, they are dipshits. This is the subject at hand. The dipshittery of these fucking out of touch mofos.