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This was a necessary step to shut down the "what if we replaced him at him convention" bullshit
The replace at convention would have been an absolutely terrible idea, and would just have been a complete shit show. And then you'd also have the whole public fallout of "unelected party elites making decisions"...
 
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Already the question is coming up are you better off than you were 3 years ago.

There are some things in 2018 that were better some were not. Your eggs were cheaper in 2018 however there are 1.1 million people who are not here that should have been to answer your question.
Eggs are definitely nominally more expensive, but inflation adjusted, the real increase is small, around 50 cents a dozen. Even if you go through a dozen eggs a week, you're looking at a $26 increase in direct egg expenditures per year. The amount of time and energy people freaked out over eggs was disproportionate, given the relatively low increase in costs (which have also fallen from peaks) and the fact that food is substitutable. If something is too expensive one week (eg, berries), buy something else.
 

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What I find funny is Republicans always want to compare today to 2019, presumably based on the idea that the pandemic was out of everyone’s control and therefore Trump can’t be blamed.

1) while he couldn’t have stopped it he made it worse so he can absolutely be blamed.

2) all of the after effects of the pandemic like inflation should he blamed on Biden because reasons.
All Trump would have ever had to do is just pretend he even gave a shit for the cameras, let Fauci handle the pandemic, and he would have gotten a rally around the chief effect like the rest of the first world did and just like Bush did from 9/11. But instead a bunch of fucking lies about 15 cases going down to zero and making federal agencies ignore it while the state of Washington was sounding defcon 1 alarm sirens.
 

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If you haven't noticed, housing costs have by far exploded way faster than anything else has, and I posted the data to prove it. And while people's real wages started growing, which I never disagreed with, if you don't think we have a ways to go yet, you too are a moron. I have also said numerous times in this thread that Biden has done well, but we just have a shitload of a way to go, saying everything is so great now is not a good way to win an election. And that's what @fskimospy was sounding like. And I'm not the only one to call him out.

If you still think that is smart, then we have a huge difference of opinion, and you can join the ranks of people that don't know how to win an election at all.

As I stated, Steve is the only one who really said anything like @fskimospy was saying, and I have already called Steve out as the one poster who did. But other than that, he was just being absolutely clueless about reality, and really fucking stupid about how to win an election.

Good luck misprepresenting this entire long conversation.

Bigly said.

But then again, you posited that people have air conditioning now! So duh, be happy! I mean holy fuck.
The problem, I see, is all these sore toes. Improvements are never enough which I see fskimospy agreeing to, but the nature of sore toes is their origin in the bitterness of self hate. We feel cheated and that can never be fixed by the economy. It is a mental state that needs treatment. Just look at how angry some of you are at fskimo and why, because he is saying it as it is. You guys need to know it's perfectly natural to feel all of your anger but don't buy into the notion you can find a solution out there. We are and have been fucked. The way out is to realize that nothing could have been any other way than it was because we are sleep walking machines. Freedom from past grievance is what real woke is all about.

There are two common ways to avoid these facts. One is to endlessly vent and the other to sing Kumbaya. The real way is to feel your pain to the point that compassion for what you have been through awakens. It was very bad but it happened long ago.
 

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All Trump would have ever had to do is just pretend he even gave a shit for the cameras, let Fauci handle the pandemic, and he would have gotten a rally around the chief effect like the rest of the first world did and just like Bush did from 9/11. But instead a bunch of fucking lies about 15 cases going down to zero and making federal agencies ignore it while the state of Washington was sounding defcon 1 alarm sirens.
The cure for narcissism, a painful mental illness, is failure. Therefore, failure is what every narcissist seeks unconsciously because we create what we fear. What keeps Trump alive is the desperate need he has to play chicken, to ride a wave of chaos. He is as high as a kite on his madness and profoundly addicted to stress.
 

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Eggs are definitely nominally more expensive, but inflation adjusted, the real increase is small, around 50 cents a dozen. Even if you go through a dozen eggs a week, you're looking at a $26 increase in direct egg expenditures per year. The amount of time and energy people freaked out over eggs was disproportionate, given the relatively low increase in costs (which have also fallen from peaks) and the fact that food is substitutable. If something is too expensive one week (eg, berries), buy something else.
Nonsense, eggs were up enormously at their worst and were one of the chief low cost proteins you could buy. I used to get 18 packs of jumbos for around $1.89 to $2.39 circa 2019 at HEB but those packs ended up going to $7 to $8 at the height of the price gouging while TV news was running interference nonstop for the producers claiming it was just a bird flu responsible for it. Also inflation adjusted? Inflation is largely from corporations just jacking prices up to rake in fatter profits. Those eggs are still $4.60 today. That's some real limousine liberal talk that oh people can just substitute what was a once cheap source of calories and protein when it starts approaching the cost of other proteins that the eggs were being used as a substitute for in the first place.
 
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Nonsense, eggs were up enormously at their worst and were one of the chief low cost proteins you could buy. I used to get 18 packs of jumbos for around $1.89 to $2.39 circa 2019 at HEB but those packs ended up going to $7 to $8 at the height of the price gouging while TV news was running interference nonstop for the producers claiming it was just a bird flu responsible for it. Also inflation adjusted? Inflation is largely from corporations just jacking prices up to rake in fatter profits. Those eggs are still $4.60 today. That's some real limousine liberal talk that oh people can just substitute what was a once cheap source of calories and protein when it starts approaching the cost of other proteins that the eggs were being used as a substitute for in the first place.
My favorite part was when people started calculating the point at which it was cheaper to raise your own chickens rather than buy eggs.
 

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My favorite part was when people started calculating the point at which it was cheaper to raise your own chickens rather than buy eggs.
LOL that's what my neighbor did. Though my favorite part was when the eggs were way more expensive than the chorizo when I wanted to make chorizo and egg tacos despite the fact I buy the nice chorizo (Peyton's) and not the cheap shit (Cacique, El Mexicano, store brand, etc). They're still almost 3/4 of the price of the nice chorizo WTF.
 
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I asked the better off question specifically to highlight the selfishness in the answer.

“I’m still here so let’s go back to the days when eggs were cheaper. Just ignore all those makeshift trailers full of bodies because hospitals couldn’t hold them all.
 

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Nonsense, eggs were up enormously at their worst and were one of the chief low cost proteins you could buy. I used to get 18 packs of jumbos for around $1.89 to $2.39 circa 2019 at HEB but those packs ended up going to $7 to $8 at the height of the price gouging while TV news was running interference nonstop for the producers claiming it was just a bird flu responsible for it. Also inflation adjusted? Inflation is largely from corporations just jacking prices up to rake in fatter profits. Those eggs are still $4.60 today. That's some real limousine liberal talk that oh people can just substitute what was a once cheap source of calories and protein when it starts approaching the cost of other proteins that the eggs were being used as a substitute for in the first place.

Thank you for highlighting Americas ignorance. The “bird flu” is still going on with the last report I saw from November last year being about 13 million infected birds. But I guess greedflation/inflation sounds better.
 

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Thank you for highlighting Americas ignorance. The “bird flu” is still going on with the last report I saw from November last year being about 13 million infected birds. But I guess greedflation/inflation sounds better.
LOL it was like 5% less egg-laying hens than the year before at the peak of egg prices, bootlick.
 
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LOL it was like 5% less egg-laying hens than the year before at the peak of egg prices, bootlick.
It all depends on how much slack there is in the system. If the system is running at capacity small changes in supply can have outsized impact in price.

But yes I have seen eggs go from $1.36 earlier in the year to $2.74 I paid today for a dozen at Aldi.
 
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It all depends on how much slack there is in the system. If the system is running at capacity small changes in supply can have outsized impact in price.

But yes I have seen eggs go from $1.36 earlier in the year to $2.74 I paid today for a dozen at Aldi.
Seemed fishy then to believe the same egg producers whose profits shot to the moon and who have been found guilty of price fixing in the past were on the up and up this time, honest.
 

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Seemed fishy then to believe the same egg producers whose profits shot to the moon and who have been found guilty of price fixing in the past were on the up and up this time, honest.

Oh no...we're totally telling the truth this time...trust us.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I asked the better off question specifically to highlight the selfishness in the answer.

“I’m still here so let’s go back to the days when eggs were cheaper. Just ignore all those makeshift trailers full of bodies because hospitals couldn’t hold them all.
Bringing non-economic topics into a discussion about economic disparity is pretty disingenuous. Do you really want to weigh the loss of life to COVID and egg prices against the war in Ukraine and now the whole Israel 'thing'?
 

ivwshane

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LOL it was like 5% less egg-laying hens than the year before at the peak of egg prices, bootlick.

Compared to 2022 when it was already at a low compared to the previous 5 years? Tell me you are a fucking idiot without telling me you are a fucking idiot.

Go shovel your conspiracies in a Getty thread.
 

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Compared to 2022 when it was already at a low compared to the previous 5 years? Tell me you are a fucking idiot without telling me you are a fucking idiot.

Go shovel your conspiracies in a Getty thread.
Should learn to control your emotions, bootlick
 
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Should learn to control your emotions, bootlick
Calls someone "bootlick", then asks that person to control their emotions when they respond unkindly. If you want civility, maybe you should start by looking in a mirror.
LOL it was like 5% less egg-laying hens than the year before at the peak of egg prices, bootlick.
 
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We’ve gone through the same pattern since Bill Clinton. Democrats turn over a great economy. Pubs give tax cuts to the rich balloon the deficit screw up the economy leaving it up to the next Democrat to fix.

Bush handed a great economy and a surplus to GW Bush

Bush hands over an economic meltdown to Barack Obama

Obama turns over a recovered good economy to Trump. Trump gives tax cut to rich and turns over a pandemic disaster to Biden

Biden has ushered in a recovery in every sense of the word. Economy, pandemic, and pushed through a good agenda, infrastructure, prescription drugs, cops act, etc.

Let’s see if voters finally remember the pattern
I believe you meant Bill Clinton instead of Bush Senior.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Calls someone "bootlick", then asks that person to control their emotions when they respond unkindly. If you want civility, maybe you should start by looking in a mirror.
Dude was being a bootlick like egg producers weren't seeing profits blow up from their record prices