Without flaming, to my opinion you cannot truly believe without having questioned and challenged every detail of it.
Or at least I cannot.
Or at least I cannot.
Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
is there a refferal bonus?
OH yes....for every Christian you sign up, the non-Christians will donate one nail and cross to your church of choice....
Sorry, Metalloid15. I don't have much tolerance for ValsalvaYourHeartOut and QTArrythmic (as if we can't figure out it's just one guy anyway) after their history in Hot Deals. I'll let you deal with them derailing your thread as you see fit.
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Why don't you just start up a yahoo group or something.
and tell people if they are interest to go there and sign up
I for one highly believe in the seperation of Anandtech and Church.
and tell people if they are interest to go there and sign up
I for one highly believe in the seperation of Anandtech and Church.
Sorry, Metalloid15. I don't have much tolerance for ValsalvaYourHeartOut and QTArrythmic (as if we can't figure out it's just one guy anyway) after their history in Hot Deals. I'll let you deal with them derailing your thread as you see fit.[/quote]
Yo man, get a clue.
If you had read the text of both Valsalva and I's posts with more than the HS education you would have noticed differences in sematics, style of writting, etc. It's obvious that Valsalva and speak differently, and, more precisely, we both talk about very different issues at times. So no, we are two different individuals who may not even know each other. For all you know, I could be an NIH researcher working potassium inward rectifier channels and how polyamine sensitivity regulates there function. And Valsalva, well, it's a good thing he's not your surgeon!
So take a another good look.
I am afraid that I do not see your reasoning. To tell people that I am starting a group, I would have to create a thread (much like the one you are crapping in). And what is the difference between a yahoo group and a private topic on AT?
Not only do you not have much tolerance (which is patently obvious) but you definitely don't have much INTELLIGENCE if you read what QT and I write and you STILL think that our syntax, backgrounds, and argument methodologies are similar enough to be the same person. OTOH, if you wish/hope/pray enough that we ARE the same person, maybe it'll become true...to yourself. I got news for you, man...QT and I aren't the ONLY 2 people who don't "bow-down" to the Church N Friends. In fact, as far as you know, QT could be a well-read bible-scholar himself!
Valsalva
Don't know if i'm ready for Accountability Partner program, but it would be nice if you let me in on the private thread.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
I love this thread.
If it works properly, it'll cut the number of religion threads down to nothing, and have the added benefit of keeping the "born-agains" happy.
So should I start a "Born Again Ditched Religion" thread in the sake of being fair? We could all join up and flame away, and you wouldn't have to hear anything of it.
- M4H
Sign me up... now where is that guy who was talking about the Dark Lord and the Olsen twins?
Man... this post was so darned good it needed to be repeated!
I pop in from time to time whenever there's a religious thread. It's quite sad most of the time, since the unbelievers are often extremely vocal and downright rude (and they say Bible-thumpers cram stuff down THEIR throats??) and have quick, pat answers to everything. Not to most of them are factual, but common.
I don't just BELIEVE in Jesus (even the devils believe, and they tremble!) I FOLLOW Him. I try my best to walk the walk and keep in constant contact. I've changed over the last five years, to the point where I can look back and see the person I used to be - and I don't like him. I like the person I am now, though I realize I still have some weaknesses I need help with... the journey is far from complete.
For the atheists and agnostics visiting, I'd like to say something; I was once exactly as you. I knew all the answers, thought Christianity was silly (though I could never quite deny the existance of God...) and thought that Science had ALL the answers. Yeah, all that common knowledge is proven stuff - everyone knows the earth is billions of years old, everyone knows we evolved from monkey-thingy, everyone knows.....
..... guess what? I've done some research. Most of this "common knowlegde" is not based on fact, only theory - most of them very unproven.
I've never, ever been one to make a decision lightly (you should see my history in the Video card forums!) so to actually make the official decision to not just believe, but to actually FOLLOW Jesus was one that took some careful planning and research. What I found over the last 5 years has shocked me and changed my whole world, and I've still only scraped the surface. Archaeology, history, science, other literature and more... the more I learn, the more the Bible seems constant and unchanging - and accurate! Just seeing the historical events planned out well in advance of the Bible's writing was nothing short of astounding! (The whole Nebuchadnezzar statue... read the book of Daniel as well as the book of Revealation which is closely related in this case.)
I know my Bible fairly well, but I'm no expert. I have to get in the habit of studying more regularly... easier to do if I wasted less time with computer games. :frown:
In fact, I have a prayer request for me to get over my darn-near-addiction to computer games. I haven't written a new song in almost 3 years now, though I have PLENTY of time to waste with strategy games....
Anyways, I'll be happy to assist where I can, and happy to contribute - even at the risk (as usual) of condemnation by other Ananders. Heck, with some of the stuff I've said elsewhere, at least two "political-religious" groups have probably got me marked for death.
Man... this post was so darned good it needed to be repeated!
I pop in from time to time whenever there's a religious thread. It's quite sad most of the time, since the unbelievers are often extremely vocal and downright rude (and they say Bible-thumpers cram stuff down THEIR throats??) and have quick, pat answers to everything. Not to most of them are factual, but common.
I don't just BELIEVE in Jesus (even the devils believe, and they tremble!) I FOLLOW Him. I try my best to walk the walk and keep in constant contact. I've changed over the last five years, to the point where I can look back and see the person I used to be - and I don't like him. I like the person I am now, though I realize I still have some weaknesses I need help with... the journey is far from complete.
For the atheists and agnostics visiting, I'd like to say something; I was once exactly as you. I knew all the answers, thought Christianity was silly (though I could never quite deny the existance of God...) and thought that Science had ALL the answers. Yeah, all that common knowledge is proven stuff - everyone knows the earth is billions of years old, everyone knows we evolved from monkey-thingy, everyone knows.....
..... guess what? I've done some research. Most of this "common knowlegde" is not based on fact, only theory - most of them very unproven.
I've never, ever been one to make a decision lightly (you should see my history in the Video card forums!) so to actually make the official decision to not just believe, but to actually FOLLOW Jesus was one that took some careful planning and research. What I found over the last 5 years has shocked me and changed my whole world, and I've still only scraped the surface. Archaeology, history, science, other literature and more... the more I learn, the more the Bible seems constant and unchanging - and accurate! Just seeing the historical events planned out well in advance of the Bible's writing was nothing short of astounding! (The whole Nebuchadnezzar statue... read the book of Daniel as well as the book of Revealation which is closely related in this case.)
I know my Bible fairly well, but I'm no expert. I have to get in the habit of studying more regularly... easier to do if I wasted less time with computer games. :frown:
In fact, I have a prayer request for me to get over my darn-near-addiction to computer games. I haven't written a new song in almost 3 years now, though I have PLENTY of time to waste with strategy games....
Anyways, I'll be happy to assist where I can, and happy to contribute - even at the risk (as usual) of condemnation by other Ananders. Heck, with some of the stuff I've said elsewhere, at least two "political-religious" groups have probably got me marked for death.
[/quote]If you are happy with your life as a Christian, good for you?for REAL.
I had a very different experience-- I was just like you: I went to church, was in a Christian youth group, and I even led several people to the ?invite Jesus is their heart.?
As I got older, say early HS years, I began to wonder about things, and I had questions like, ?How come people in 15th Century China are all going to Hell if they didn?t even have any concept of Christ.? How is that fair or just? If Romans is correct, then they are all going to Hell and the Bible is completely infallible, right.
The answers I received from other Christians and books were mixed and, in my opinion, inconsistent. Nevertheless, I still went to church and sort of ignored the issue.
Then I began to notice other things. The Christians I associated with seemed fake, they were overtly nice to people that I knew they didn?t like. In fact, ?good? Christian people and non-Christians seemed indistinguishable?there was no difference between them. Where was their Christ-like behavior?
The final, and most troubling, aspect that was brought to my attention was something that I call Bible verse spinning (analogous to political ?spin-doctors? on Washington talk shows). In verse spinning, a person will use a Bible verse and create a meaning from it that may have nothing to do with its true meaning. For example, one verse is something like ?the light is getting brighter and brighter,? which is often twisted to apply to present times to mean something like the Gospel is being spread etc. But we don?t really know what author?s original idea was when he wrote that down 2000 years ago. Moreover, it seemed to me that pastors and church officials would often spin-verses for there own agendas, say, to get more money for the church. This is not an over generalization, or an isolated occurrence, this happens everywhere and the practicing Christians who are reading this know it.
All these issue and realizations combined with other things, like the churches inability to scientific findings that contradicted the Bible, led me to stop going to church?.
I wouldn?t call myself an atheist, but I have been so disillusioned by the different forms are Christianity (not just one church BTW) that I would be better off not going.
Conclusion:
1. 99% of organized religion is crap
2. Most Christians either don?t question their beliefs or they are closet doubters like I was (you know who you are).
3. Christianity doesn?t make a lota sense (maybe its not supposed too J)
No matter what: always question and be critical of things and ideas around you. This is a belief dear to my heart.
There's nothing wrong with being Christian, there is something wrong with being spoonfed...
Originally posted by: QTArrhythmic
Man... this post was so darned good it needed to be repeated!
I pop in from time to time whenever there's a religious thread. It's quite sad most of the time, since the unbelievers are often extremely vocal and downright rude (and they say Bible-thumpers cram stuff down THEIR throats??) and have quick, pat answers to everything. Not to most of them are factual, but common.
I don't just BELIEVE in Jesus (even the devils believe, and they tremble!) I FOLLOW Him. I try my best to walk the walk and keep in constant contact. I've changed over the last five years, to the point where I can look back and see the person I used to be - and I don't like him. I like the person I am now, though I realize I still have some weaknesses I need help with... the journey is far from complete.
For the atheists and agnostics visiting, I'd like to say something; I was once exactly as you. I knew all the answers, thought Christianity was silly (though I could never quite deny the existance of God...) and thought that Science had ALL the answers. Yeah, all that common knowledge is proven stuff - everyone knows the earth is billions of years old, everyone knows we evolved from monkey-thingy, everyone knows.....
..... guess what? I've done some research. Most of this "common knowlegde" is not based on fact, only theory - most of them very unproven.
I've never, ever been one to make a decision lightly (you should see my history in the Video card forums!) so to actually make the official decision to not just believe, but to actually FOLLOW Jesus was one that took some careful planning and research. What I found over the last 5 years has shocked me and changed my whole world, and I've still only scraped the surface. Archaeology, history, science, other literature and more... the more I learn, the more the Bible seems constant and unchanging - and accurate! Just seeing the historical events planned out well in advance of the Bible's writing was nothing short of astounding! (The whole Nebuchadnezzar statue... read the book of Daniel as well as the book of Revealation which is closely related in this case.)
I know my Bible fairly well, but I'm no expert. I have to get in the habit of studying more regularly... easier to do if I wasted less time with computer games. :frown:
In fact, I have a prayer request for me to get over my darn-near-addiction to computer games. I haven't written a new song in almost 3 years now, though I have PLENTY of time to waste with strategy games....
Anyways, I'll be happy to assist where I can, and happy to contribute - even at the risk (as usual) of condemnation by other Ananders. Heck, with some of the stuff I've said elsewhere, at least two "political-religious" groups have probably got me marked for death.
If you are happy with your life as a Christian, good for you?for REAL.
I had a very different experience-- I was just like you: I went to church, was in a Christian youth group, and I even led several people to the ?invite Jesus is their heart.?
As I got older, say early HS years, I began to wonder about things, and I had questions like, ?How come people in 15th Century China are all going to Hell if they didn?t even have any concept of Christ.? How is that fair or just? If Romans is correct, then they are all going to Hell and the Bible is completely infallible, right.
The answers I received from other Christians and books were mixed and, in my opinion, inconsistent. Nevertheless, I still went to church and sort of ignored the issue.
Then I began to notice other things. The Christians I associated with seemed fake, they were overtly nice to people that I knew they didn?t like. In fact, ?good? Christian people and non-Christians seemed indistinguishable?there was no difference between them. Where was their Christ-like behavior?
The final, and most troubling, aspect that was brought to my attention was something that I call Bible verse spinning (analogous to political ?spin-doctors? on Washington talk shows). In verse spinning, a person will use a Bible verse and create a meaning from it that may have nothing to do with its true meaning. For example, one verse is something like ?the light is getting brighter and brighter,? which is often twisted to apply to present times to mean something like the Gospel is being spread etc. But we don?t really know what author?s original idea was when he wrote that down 2000 years ago. Moreover, it seemed to me that pastors and church officials would often spin-verses for there own agendas, say, to get more money for the church. This is not an over generalization, or an isolated occurrence, this happens everywhere and the practicing Christians who are reading this know it.
All these issue and realizations combined with other things, like the churches inability to scientific findings that contradicted the Bible, led me to stop going to church?.
I wouldn?t call myself an atheist, but I have been so disillusioned by the different forms are Christianity (not just one church BTW) that I would be better off not going.
Conclusion:
1. 99% of organized religion is crap
2. Most Christians either don?t question their beliefs or they are closet doubters like I was (you know who you are).
3. Christianity doesn?t make a lota sense (maybe its not supposed too J)
No matter what: always question and be critical of things and ideas around you. This is a belief dear to my heart.
There's nothing wrong with being Christian, there is something wrong with being spoonfed...[/quote]
EDIT: Sorry, lost my temper.
Q]
It is always wonderful to see a non-Christian attempt to stereotype all Christians based on his/her personal experiences with church.
I think that all true Christians have questioned their faith at one point or another, so you are as far off on that statement as you could possibly be.
You know what, now that I read your "conclusions" again, I realize that they are no more than one ignorant persons opinion, and are not based on any logical thinking whatsoever.
Oh, and one more thing........ I DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS CHRISTIANITY IN THIS THREAD, SO GET OUT!!!![/quote]
If you don't want Christianity discussed on this thread then why do you post responses that beget discussion?
And I didn't stereotype Christians, pointed to observations that I have encountered. In addition, I wouldn't say that this was a non-Christian perspective either, since I was a Christian when these observations were documented.
And if you want to call me ignorant, that's fine, everyone is ignorant about some aspect of life. In constrast, I pursue the truth whereas you seem to be okay with being bent over, all lubed up, with your head in the sand.
Have a nice day.
It is always wonderful to see a non-Christian attempt to stereotype all Christians based on his/her personal experiences with church.
I think that all true Christians have questioned their faith at one point or another, so you are as far off on that statement as you could possibly be.
You know what, now that I read your "conclusions" again, I realize that they are no more than one ignorant persons opinion, and are not based on any logical thinking whatsoever.
Oh, and one more thing........ I DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS CHRISTIANITY IN THIS THREAD, SO GET OUT!!!![/quote]
If you don't want Christianity discussed on this thread then why do you post responses that beget discussion?
And I didn't stereotype Christians, pointed to observations that I have encountered. In addition, I wouldn't say that this was a non-Christian perspective either, since I was a Christian when these observations were documented.
And if you want to call me ignorant, that's fine, everyone is ignorant about some aspect of life. In constrast, I pursue the truth whereas you seem to be okay with being bent over, all lubed up, with your head in the sand.
Have a nice day.
Ain't that lovely folks?
Read my posts and tell me if I'm blindly accepting whatever some people want to feed me.Remember, the same kind of skepticism should hold for SCIENCE findings as well! Sad to say, though, that there are MANY (the vast majority) that will blindly accept whatever they are told - especially if it sounds plausible or just from enough mouths to make them think it's "common knowledge" that "everybody knows".
Evolution makes a good example here. Darwin himself was revolted by how his simple theory of a species adapting to its environment was taken from him and turned into "there is no God, only monkey-man!" Scientists would have you believe that evolution is a proven fact, yet they still search for "the missing link". That missing link is the entire chain from monkey to modern man... NOTHING exists by way of evidence. Plenty has been falsified though... entire skeletons have been man-made around a tiny fragment of skull cap in one case, a single tooth in another (later proven to be a common pig's tooth), another, simply an five-foot-something old man with terrible arthritis.
But hey, it's common knowledge that we evolved from monkey-thinkgs, right? Right?
QUESTION EVERYTHING! CHALLENGE IT! STUDY IT! You may be very surprised by what you find. What's more, when you uncover one fact, you realize that ten more sprout up from it. Don't stop when you find one bit of evidence that might conform YOUR theory that God "doesn't exist". If you think about it, the matter is one of critical importance - whether or not you will spend eternity with God (not floating on clouds... more "common knowlege" (aka ignorance) this time on the part of many people, Christian and non.) or be with the condemned who will be extinguished by fire. (Not suffering for eternity like "common knowledge" and album covers would have you believe.) Hey, eternal life in Hell would still be "eternal life" wouldn't it? Let's face it... most people out there DON'T THINK. That's why TV is such a hit.
Originally posted by: bluemaxAin't that lovely folks?
Actually, I found QT's post quite accurate, especially the part about being lubed up with your head in the sand.
Skepticism is already inherent in science...this is the process of hypothesis testing and retesting... This is what makes science a science, not a conglomerate of unfalsifiable claims known as the bible.
This is exactly what organized religion is -- blindly accepting what you are taught...only the Christian church attempts to fool you into thinking you're actually coming up to these conclusions on your own by
a) inundating you with screwed up logic
b) allowing you to use this screwed up logic to come up to conclusions that ultimately support your belief.
Here's an example. The following is a syllogism that clearly displays a gross inconsistency in Christian belief. Any Christian that attempts to rationalize it will ultimately come up with some irrational explanation and maybe a couple of irrelevant bible passages to boot.
1) If you do not believe in Jesus Christ, you cannot seek salvation, and you are going to hell.
2) Half the world has never heard of Jesus Christ, and obviously cannot believe in Him.
3) Therefore at any given point in time, half the world is going to hell.
4) God is a just god.
5) God is allowing half the world to go to hell because they have never heard of Jesus Christ. This is clearly unjust.
So is God really just? Hmmm....
The way Darwin "felt" about his theory ("revolted)" is irrelevant to whether or not his theory was true or not. I hope you're capable of seeing that. Furthermore, you usage of "monkey-man" may appeal to the 4th grader who really doesn't wanna believe he evolved from a monkey, but from an objective standpoint, it is also irrelevant whether you use words that evoke emotions from 4th graders and people with the mentality of one.
This assertion is clearly from Sunday School because NOWHERE in the scientific literature will ANYONE state that evolution is a proven fact. If you read you biology textbook rather than your biblical anthology, you would know that the Theory of Evolution is a THEORY. You're clearly not that bright, so I felt that I needed to point that subtle fact out. A theory is "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena." Anyone who passed HS biology with a grade of "C" or better could tell you that by definition, a theory is not "proven," only supported by scientific experiments and empiric observation. Finally, who the hell says "[scientists] still search for 'the missing link'"...that sounds like a passage out of Highlights for Children in terms of its simplicity and ignorance. Saying something like "the missing link" might inspire ooohs and aahhs from your Sunday School delegation, but it only induces hysteria and laughter among anyone educated in science. "The missing link" sounds more like a buzz-phrase coined by somebody related to the church...or worse, you.
I have no idea what you mean by "the entire chain from monkey to modern man"...that might makes sense to you and your pastor, but that's it. Perhaps you're suggesting that there are no currently living species that represent an intermediary between monkeys and man...this is, however, absolutely irrelevant and is 100% consistent with evolutionary theory. Different species are isolated by reproductive non-mixing, that is, monkeys cannot mate with humans...however, both species are capable of surviving on their own and do not compete. Therefore, at a point in which a common ancestor species split into two different groups that were unable to reproduce successfully between each other, there became two species (by definition)..these two species continued to experience selective pressure with divergent development of characteristics such that we see a monkey and a human today. DNA analysis clearly demonstrates 99% homology between humans and monkeys, which is consistent with a common ancestor. And yes, a 1% difference is enough to explain our differences if you just think about how just adding an extra chromosome (Down's syndrome) or deleting critical genes can alter a human's gross appearance.
There is PLENTY of "evidence" that is consistent with the theory of evolution...especially small-scale studies that demonstrate the process of micro-evolution occuring. You obviously have done NO literature searches on your own to make such a stupid statement like "no evidence exists." This is an example of you being spoonfed information rather than obtaining it yourself.
Irrelevant. The theory of evolution is only partially based on the fossil record, and there has been a multitude of information obtained from fossils (which is highly imperfect as it is) that is supportive of evolution. The existence of incidental reports of people falsifying a fossil is absolutely irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant for me to quote the abundance of falsified findings of "bible memorabilia."
No, silly. It's common knowledge that women arose from being ripped out of some guy's chest. That's a REALLY believable story....because we have substantial evidence that we can create new people by removing ribs. In fact, if Eve really did grow from Adam's rib, she would have IDENTICAL DNA to Adam...which means that God employed cloning in creating humankind...which means that cloning should be a perfectly acceptable means of creating people. Hey, it's all there in Genesis, my friend. But wait...no, that can't be right...because where do we get genetic variation from?? And how did Eve get another X chromosome and lose the Adam's Y chromosome in all of her somatic cells? Who knows?? Does the bible explain this?? No...Oh well, I guess God really DOES work in mysterious ways...or at least the authors who created the protagonist known as "God" in the fictional novel "Bible" didn't really understand anything about that kind of stuff way back when.
whether or not you will spend eternity with God (not floating on clouds... more "common knowlege" (aka ignorance) this time on the part of many people, Christian and non.) or be with the condemned who will be extinguished by fire. (Not suffering for eternity like "common knowledge" and album covers would have you believe.) Hey, eternal life in Hell would still be "eternal life" wouldn't it? Let's face it... most people out there DON'T THINK. That's why TV is such a hit.
No, man. Roughly HALF THE WORLD has never even heard of Jesus Christ. You know why? Because they live in the 3rd world, they worship their local gods, and life to them is not being killed or consumed by a communicable disease that the 1st world has already eradicated. Get this: they DON'T even nown TV's. Are you trying to suggest that they don't believe in God because "they don't think?" (Hint: yes you are because that's exactly what you rwote). Ironically, it's YOU who didn't think of this before you wrote your spoonfed statement.
When you're on your deathbed, you might become ecstatic thinking that you will soon join God in his kingdom of Heaven...but what you don't know, is that when your brain ceases to function and you are no longer conscious or aware, you are dead...dead dead, and that's it. So enjoy your life and stop wasting 3 hours of your Sunday afternoon at church.
Valsalva
Valsalva, please PM bluemax and speak to him, so that it doesn't take up thread space.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I notice that you did not ask bluemax and other "Christians" to take their comments to PM, only me and QT. I think that is terribly inconsistent of you to ask only people who disagree with aspects of Christianity to be silent, which only further exemplifies how close-minded certain Christians can be. Most of you talk about your "Christian walk" and describe how you've continually challenged your beliefs and in the process, further convinced yourself of the truth. In reality, you've only pressed your palms tightly to your dainty ears whenever anyone brings up points that clearly invalidate your system of beliefs and never gave these counterarguments an ounce of consideration. Regardless, Bluemax and others in this thread have made remarks that I find objectionable, and I am merely responding to them. Just because you started this thread does NOT give you the right to censor responses -- this is Anandtech, not Metalloidotech...
Valsalva
When I asked you to PM bluemax, I kind of assumed he would respond to you. You know, kill two birds with one stone. And I did ask everyone, Christian and non to not debate in this thread. Netopia is a perfect example. He is a Christian, I asked him to stop, and he did.
EDIT: By the way, Medtalloidotech would make for a cool website. I will keep that in mind.
This accountability thingie sounds like a great idea for those who are ready for such a step.
The group that I was involved with was face to face. That may have a bigger impact on members daily walk. But for those who use this forum habitually it sounds like a viable alternative.
Are the accountability guide lines similar to those of Promise Keepers?
I'm assuming that the female members here at the forums are welcome also?
The group that I was involved with was face to face. That may have a bigger impact on members daily walk. But for those who use this forum habitually it sounds like a viable alternative.
Are the accountability guide lines similar to those of Promise Keepers?
I'm assuming that the female members here at the forums are welcome also?
I'll add my piece, for the hell of it, and I need to vent.
The problem with religion debates is that, as a "non-believer"(not exactly, more later) you are sort of trying to prove a negative.
I also think of religion as explanation for lack of knowledge, instead of looking for the answers.
When I hear about someone "questioning themselves" I think about how they ask themselves how they came to be, but instead of seeking out information, they answer it themselves with the answer their respective religion gives them, which magnifies their belief in that religion.
BTW, I'm also pretty sure that the most devout believer still lusts for $$$ and easy living, no matter where he is in the world. sometimes that contradicts his religion, sometimes not. depends on how non-materialistic the religion is. I think christianity got screwed by it from the start where the lowly peasants wanted an easier life, regardless of their religion, because they had a hard life (no, life today in western society is not even remotely hard, unless you're homeless with no money.)
IMO, in the end, it is the non-believers that brought us all this nifty tech (hard to pray up a computer (yes I realize this is not the most accurate statement(wee triple thingy))), and in then end, I'm happy with my life with religion being non-existant in it.
Take it as you will.
The problem with religion debates is that, as a "non-believer"(not exactly, more later) you are sort of trying to prove a negative.
I also think of religion as explanation for lack of knowledge, instead of looking for the answers.
When I hear about someone "questioning themselves" I think about how they ask themselves how they came to be, but instead of seeking out information, they answer it themselves with the answer their respective religion gives them, which magnifies their belief in that religion.
BTW, I'm also pretty sure that the most devout believer still lusts for $$$ and easy living, no matter where he is in the world. sometimes that contradicts his religion, sometimes not. depends on how non-materialistic the religion is. I think christianity got screwed by it from the start where the lowly peasants wanted an easier life, regardless of their religion, because they had a hard life (no, life today in western society is not even remotely hard, unless you're homeless with no money.)
IMO, in the end, it is the non-believers that brought us all this nifty tech (hard to pray up a computer (yes I realize this is not the most accurate statement(wee triple thingy))), and in then end, I'm happy with my life with religion being non-existant in it.
Take it as you will.
"I think christianity got screwed by it from the start where the lowly peasants wanted an easier life, regardless of their religion, because they had a hard life"
You might be right about them wanting it easy. Those slackers!
You might be right about them wanting it easy. Those slackers!
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