Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Episode IX)

[pauldun170]

Thought it was poorly done with messed up pacing and blatant shortcuts.
The storyline sucked. The beats sucked. It was a series of "didathings" with weak transitions that appear checkpoint driven.
One scene was basically a video game puzzle.
It was entertaining but kinda meh.
Was kind of funny to see a video from 2017 where a guy figured out the plot based on cues from tfa

 

[blankslate]

guess we dont care about spoilers anymore?

I DGIAFF about them

ALSO

I'll just leave this here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1208008232461049858

I found the person yelling in the above video from twitter actually more entertaining than that horribly bad ending that should have been shoved up Jar Jar Abram's fourth point of contact....

WHERE THE FUCK IS BEN?!

I FUCKING HATE STARWARS!!!

 

[JEDI]

Was kind of funny to see a video from 2017 where a guy figured out the plot based on cues from tfa

link?

also, my local radio news said RoS was the 2nd worst reviewed star wars film in the franchise.
the worst being The Phantom Menace (ep I) with introduction of Jar Jar Binks

 

[pauldun170]

 

[qliveur]

I'll just leave this here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1208008232461049858

Wedge? And yeah. I liked it, even though it was only for a second.

OMG, I love this movie now. Still not watching it, though.

Can't wait for the Plinkett review.

 

[Aharami]

Saw it. Enjoyed it. Liked it way way better than TLJ. Aside from the very last dialog, I thought it was a good ending to the saga. Although, out does mean that there's no more large scale conflict in the future, and thus no more main Star wars movies.

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[K1052]

Spoiler

And Fin and Rose - that whole plot from TLJ was basically thrown out the window and ignored in this movie because internet morons were crying about it

Imagine doing this to her character just because a bunch of random assholes on Reddit who's primary contribution to society is to prop up national hand lotion consumption demand it.

Oh excuse me, we call this "fan service" now.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm a hardcore Star Wars fan and I was so disappointed by it. The whole audience burst out into laughter at "the big twist". While Darth Plagueis needed to be the villain of this trilogy, Palpatine could have worked. But the way in which they went about it just doesn't. He felt so wasted, so tacked on. I expected him to steal the show but it was just awful. The trilogy suffered so much due to a lack of a singular vision across all three movies.

A lot of people will bring up this is all due to the Episode 9 director being fired, but as far back as Episode 7 I distinctly remember them saying they were already hard at work crafting the story for episode eight with fan feedback in mind. As in, the trilogy's overarching story hadn't even been mapped out yet and they were making it all up as they went along.

Spoiler

People give Last Jedi a whole lot of shit, and so do I for certain parts. But one part I felt it really nailed was making Rey's parents nobodies. No exalted lineage. No immaculate pedigree. She was just some scavenger in the desert that never the less rose to shake the foundations of history. Then episode 9 is like, nah, she's a Palpatine. With that being framed as the sole reason she amounted to anything other than a scavenger. What a horrible message to send to adopted children questioning their worth.

That she was a Palpatine COULD have worked, had it been known so much earlier, with much of the trilogy consisting of Rey trying to escape her lineage's legacy in the same way Kylo was trying to live down being a Skywalker. You're defined by your choices, not your lineage. That would have been a powerful message in its own right. But no. At the end she says she's "Rey Skywalker", an absolutely boneheaded thing to say. She should have said she was Rey Palpatine. Accepting who she was while still not allowing it to weigh her down. Instead she shamelessly rips off the name of another. She STILL hasn't accepted who she was. Even saying she was Rey SOLO would have been better.

I hate Rey. Episode seven, eight and nine were all REY WINS, REY WINS, REY WINS. Never once was she kicked off her high horse or suffered such a painful defeat that she was spurred to be better. Everyone falls over themselves to protect her. But I could have forgiven all of this, if only she sacrificed herself to save Kylo instead of the other way around. It should have been KYLO standing at the end. And he says "I'm Ben. Ben Skywalker". He IS a Skywalker, he has every right to claim the name. He just couldn't accept it. That in the finale he could would have been great, and that he got a second chance to live a full life, now as a good man would have been the thing that truly allowed him to surpass Darth Vader. But no.

The movie seriously needed more restraint on force powers. They get to be so ridiculous that they start to come off as being purely made up on the spot to advance the plot. If episode 9 is canon, why didn't Anakin Skywalker heal Padme? Why didn't he save his mother, Shmi? Why wouldn't OB1, the very paragon of the light, not heal Qui Gon Jinn? Much like with the Holdo maneuver, this movie basically breaks the saga with its blatant lack of consistency and restraint. And it's pretty telling that the reason why Sidious was back was so awful, it had to be removed from the film following disastrous test screenings. (Apparently to be rewritten to something less stupid at a later date.)

There's so much more that's wrong here. Horses riding on top of star destroyers? Darth Sidious wanting to be a woman? (Actually, I'm sympathetic to that... NEVERMIND.) Rey invalidating Vader's sacrifice by shamelessly bringing Palpatine back and making her the destroyer of the Sith? All the Jedi giving her a pick me up when she doesn't even beat him with the Force, but with lightsabers? (Seriously, with all the outlandish force powers being thrown about, if there was ever a time to make Wall of Light canon, THIS WAS IT) GOD, it just had so much wrong with it... I could go on for several more paragraphs. But I'm just done. I so badly wanted to love it. But ugh.

I said earlier that I wouldn’t see it until it hit Disney+; however, my conundrum is that my wife wants to see it. I told her if she paid for my ticket I’d suffer through it, but that’s the only way.

Everything you wrote further confirms my worst fears - this isn’t a movie or trilogy for true fans, but a movie for “fans” who mostly became “fans” because they saw it trending on social media years ago and wanted to be trendy. My wife has a super-annoying friend like this - she is supposedly a fan of a bunch of different things, but if you question her on anything, she hasn’t got a fucking clue. Like the time this lady claimed she was a Colts fan and finally admitted she was a “fan” because Dallas Clark was “cute” and so were the uniforms. Sigh.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'd say it was better than prequel movies, but probably the worst of TFA and TLJ. The pacing sucks - it doesn't give you time to absorb anything. The plot holes are a bit gaping, and the ending was pretty crappy. It's an okay action flick, but otherwise just a mediocre movie. Some random gripes below:

Spoiler: Spoiler

And Fin and Rose - that whole plot from TLJ was basically thrown out the window and ignored in this movie because internet morons were crying about it.

Except Rose was a terrible character - a bad actress whose character was terribly written and completely forgettable. That entire casino sequence in TLJ was a complete and total waste of time and CGI. I can tell you that the first (and only) time I saw TLJ, Rose was one of the characters who jumped out at me as being terrible. I thought Finn could’ve had a great storyline in these movies, but his character was largely wasted in at least the first two movies.

 

[K1052]

Except Rose was a terrible character - a bad actress whose character was terribly written and completely forgettable. That entire casino sequence in TLJ was a complete and total waste of time and CGI. I can tell you that the first (and only) time I saw TLJ, Rose was one of the characters who jumped out at me as being terrible. I thought Finn could’ve had a great storyline in these movies, but his character was largely wasted in at least the first two movies.

It's part pf the overall problematic pivot JJ did to satisfy some people's feels.

Or put another way:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1208767191425961985

 

[UsandThem]

Except Rose was a terrible character - a bad actress whose character was terribly written and completely forgettable. That entire casino sequence in TLJ was a complete and total waste of time and CGI. I can tell you that the first (and only) time I saw TLJ, Rose was one of the characters who jumped out at me as being terrible.

This ++.

She was just........boring. Out of all of the various actors in Episodes 7 - 9, only Rose and General Hux stood out (at least to me) as both horrible casting decisions / acting performances.

 

[qliveur]

I thought Finn could’ve had a great storyline in these movies, but his character was largely wasted in at least the first two movies.

Of all the new characters, I think Finn had the most potential for sure.

 

[Skel]

This one was satisfying to me. Hard to meet everyone 40 plus years expectations.
Overall a solid move, yeah I would have preferred some things to be done differently. Also I don’t like how video game like some of the premises are, up the dangers to ridiculous levels but overall I am satisfied. I enjoyed the choose your own adventure style ending.

I've heard a few people say that it was well done as an attempt to close out 40 years of movies.. I just don't follow that logic. They closed this out back in the 80s, hell they went with a prequel series rather than mess with the ending.. and that was by a guy that couldn't help but continuing to tweak the movies. I'd be more onboard with this excuse on it if this was all planned out from before, but it wasn't. It was all tacked on.. badly. This was Disney doing a cash grab (which I get) and attempting to fix issues they themselves caused. I can't grade this on a curve as it's completely disconnected to the original series so much that I keep wondering what's the point of it past making money for Disney.

Having sat through it, I can't say it's the worst movie I've seen. I also can't say it's the best either. I personally felt like I was watching a bad fan fiction film. The scene where they made themselves Generals pretty much solidified it being a fan film. There was so much tacked on to appease people that had issues with the other movies and so little of new ideas. I'm becoming convinced that imagination died somewhere in the 80s (prob earlier) as all I keep seeing is rehash of stuff that has already been done (better in most cases).

 

[dainthomas]

link?

also, my local radio news said RoS was the 2nd worst reviewed star wars film in the franchise.
the worst being The Phantom Menace (ep I) with introduction of Jar Jar Binks

Worse than Ep 2? Inconceivable. I'm usually in the same neighborhood as critics, but this is way off. I felt it was the best of the new trilogy, and better than all three prequels (edging out episode 3).

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I've heard a few people say that it was well done as an attempt to close out 40 years of movies.. I just don't follow that logic. They closed this out back in the 80s, hell they went with a prequel series rather than mess with the ending.. and that was by a guy that couldn't help but continuing to tweak the movies. I'd be more onboard with this excuse on it if this was all planned out from before, but it wasn't. It was all tacked on.. badly. This was Disney doing a cash grab (which I get) and attempting to fix issues they themselves caused. I can't grade this on a curve as it's completely disconnected to the original series so much that I keep wondering what's the point of it past making money for Disney.

Having sat through it, I can't say it's the worst movie I've seen. I also can't say it's the best either. I personally felt like I was watching a bad fan fiction film. The scene where they made themselves Generals pretty much solidified it being a fan film. There was so much tacked on to appease people that had issues with the other movies and so little of new ideas. I'm becoming convinced that imagination died somewhere in the 80s (prob earlier) as all I keep seeing is rehash of stuff that has already been done (better in most cases).

All I have to say is “Ewoks”
Definitely not a perfect close out
However I get your point.

 

[blankslate]

Imagine doing this to her character just because a bunch of random assholes on Reddit who's primary contribution to society is to prop up national hand lotion consumption demand it.

Oh excuse me, we call this "fan service" now.

Maybe if Rian Johnson wrote a better plot for her character you wouldn't have to complain about plot points being ignored or characters being sidelined...

Blame the person actually responsible maybe?


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[renz20003]

I think the majority would agree that the Star Wars franchise would have been better off if this ST would not have been made.

 

[shortylickens]

OMG, I love this movie now. Still not watching it, though.

Can't wait for the Plinkett review.

I already know how its gonna start:
Jay and Mike staring at the floor, sullen.
"Do we have to?"
"Yeah, we have to."

 

[Starbuck1975]

Rise of Skywalker is the best of the new trilogy, and is roughly Rogue One good...plenty of fan service, feels like a Star Wars movie, but also confined to certain plot constraints. Where Rogue One had to transition into the start of ANH, RoS had to pick up the shitshow fragments left by Rian Johnson after TLJ, and also work around Carrie Fisher’s untimely death. Not an easy task.

Given those constraints, some things work (Lando, the tension between Rey and Ben, the Han Solo scene, Palpatine - Ian is awesome, again), others don’t (Leia scenes, Luke scenes, Sith fleet)

Taking the trilogy in its entirety, it feels like a huge missed oppprtunity. JJ Abrams had to establish a new threat because the First Order never achieved the menace of the British character actors who gave the Empire some texture. Admiral Piett vs General Hux. Nuff said.

It’s too bad, because there was the potential to build a new trilogy around Rey as a Force sensitive character who embraces both the light and the dark. Even a Force sensitive Finn, an idea that didn’t get fully explored. Poe seemed to exist to provide exposition and cry in his cockpit.

My full Star Wars movies rankings:

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Rise of Skywalker
The Force Awakens
Solo
Revenge of the Sith
The Phanton Menace
The Star Wars Christmas Special
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones (this was a tough one, but sand everywhere and Force Lady and the Tramp is still worst than Leia Poppins and Admiral evening gown)

 

[Starbuck1975]

Imagine doing this to her character just because a bunch of random assholes on Reddit who's primary contribution to society is to prop up national hand lotion consumption demand it.

Oh excuse me, we call this "fan service" now.

The Rose and Finn of RoS acted more in line with soldiers who want to actually win a war would behave. This was of course at the expense of their having a ridiculous adventure of their own.

 

[UsandThem]

Here's an article I ready today that I thought covered at least some of the "wut?" aspects of the movie. There are a few major plot holes they don't touch, but many are there.

Obvious spoilers in link are obvious:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/20-questions-we-have-after-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywa-1840559128

 

[qliveur]

I already know how its gonna start:
Jay and Mike staring at the floor, sullen.
"Do we have to?"
"Yeah, we have to."

That's Half in the Bag. The Plinkett reviews are a totally different animal.

I usually watch both.

Speaking of which, HitB review is up:

 

[Skel]

Rise of Skywalker is the best of the new trilogy, and is roughly Rogue One good...plenty of fan service, feels like a Star Wars movie, but also confined to certain plot constraints. Where Rogue One had to transition into the start of ANH, RoS had to pick up the shitshow fragments left by Rian Johnson after TLJ, and also work around Carrie Fisher’s untimely death. Not an easy task.

Given those constraints, some things work (Lando, the tension between Rey and Ben, the Han Solo scene, Palpatine - Ian is awesome, again), others don’t (Leia scenes, Luke scenes, Sith fleet)

Taking the trilogy in its entirety, it feels like a huge missed oppprtunity. JJ Abrams had to establish a new threat because the First Order never achieved the menace of the British character actors who gave the Empire some texture. Admiral Piett vs General Hux. Nuff said.

It’s too bad, because there was the potential to build a new trilogy around Rey as a Force sensitive character who embraces both the light and the dark. Even a Force sensitive Finn, an idea that didn’t get fully explored. Poe seemed to exist to provide exposition and cry in his cockpit.

My full Star Wars movies rankings:

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Rise of Skywalker
The Force Awakens
Solo
Revenge of the Sith
The Phanton Menace
The Star Wars Christmas Special
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones (this was a tough one, but sand everywhere and Force Lady and the Tramp is still worst than Leia Poppins and Admiral evening gown)

When did 'fan service' become a requirement of a good movie? I've seen a few people say it was part of the highlights, but for me it's part of the problem with a lot of modern movies. I really feel like them needing to tug on our feelings from the older movies only shows how weak these reboot/sequels are. For a universe full of new life and interesting possibilities it's a pity people only will accept it if it's just like what we loved before.

What's worse, SW is far from the only one guilty of this. I remember thinking that the only way blowing up the Enterprise in the reboots mattered was if I had tons of love for it before the movie. Everyone I knew that was too young to have feelings about Star Trek all told me they knew it was a big deal but didn't really feel anything behind it.

Translation: I'm a bitter old man that believes we deserve a higher quality of entertainment.

 

[randay]

That's Half in the Bag. The Plinkett reviews are a totally different animal.

I usually watch both.

Speaking of which, HitB review is up:

you have time to watch a 70 minute review video on youtube?

 

[qliveur]

you have time to watch a 70 minute review video on youtube?

If it's RLM, yeah.

Their reviews are often more entertaining than the movies they're reviewing.