Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Episode IX)

[snoopy7548]

https://ew.com/movies/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-new-photos/

Some new shots from the movie.

Chewie's face looks CG in this one...

 

[UsandThem]

Chewie's face looks CG in this one...

Hopefully that's just from someone going and editing the photo.

Otherwise, hopefully they didn't go too far with CGI in this one (like Lucas did in the prequels).

 

[yllus]

Does anyone else find it remarkable how terribly these movies are written considering the literally unlimited money they could spend on writing and editing to make it brilliant? I can only assume that the time crunch and story-by-committee is to blame.

 

[Sonikku]

 

[lupi]

but it says so right there its only possible for jedi, and anakin wasnt a jedi, or at least, was not a jedi at a time when he should have learned the technique. of course that doesnt mean that it cant happen anyway because nobody really cares.

He started as a Jedi, ended as a Jedi, spent considerable time with someone that appears to have been focused in this area of studies, and personally transited to Mortis. I'd say anything is possible with him.

 

[snoopy7548]

Does anyone else find it remarkable how terribly these movies are written considering the literally unlimited money they could spend on writing and editing to make it brilliant? I can only assume that the time crunch and story-by-committee is to blame.

I think it's because they want to appeal to an extremely wide audience; the "true fans" who would appreciate some deep and complex story are in the minority.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Sadly, you're most likely correct. Look at what pure drek gets put out in popular music today.

I think it's because they want to appeal to an extremely wide audience; the "true fans" who would appreciate some deep and complex story are in the minority.

 

[Fritzo]

Does anyone else find it remarkable how terribly these movies are written considering the literally unlimited money they could spend on writing and editing to make it brilliant? I can only assume that the time crunch and story-by-committee is to blame.

Writing a movie from scratch with new characters is fairly simple. Writing a new movie based on icon characters with already established story arcs that must intersect with new character development and is rabidly curated by a huge and critical fan base is hard.

 

[BudAshes]

Writing a movie from scratch with new characters is fairly simple. Writing a new movie based on icon characters with already established story arcs that must intersect with new character development and is rabidly curated by a huge and critical fan base is hard.

There was a fairly vast number of story lines to steal from with all the fiction that had been written about the universe, similar to Marvel stuff. They just didn't chose particularly good people to head up the projects. JJ is great at making iconic visuals, particularly ones that feel retro and brand new all at once, but is disinterested or incapable of creating a complete story ark, and the rest of the people were just mostly under-qualified and incompetent. They should have hired a writer/director to create the 3 movies like LOTR did, but instead they wanted to pump the movies out as fast as possible, so this is what you get.

 

[Skel]

Making A STAR WARS Film Is Difficult Due To A Lack Of Comics And Novels Says Lucasfilm President

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"Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be. We go through a really normal development process that everybody else does. You start by talking to filmmakers who you think exhibit the sensibilities that you’re looking for."

 

[BudAshes]

Making A STAR WARS Film Is Difficult Due To A Lack Of Comics And Novels Says Lucasfilm President

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Are they joking?

There are dozens of them...

 

[Majes]

Making A STAR WARS Film Is Difficult Due To A Lack Of Comics And Novels Says Lucasfilm President

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I'm hoping that she meant there was nothing for them to draw on for these new movies since they essentially wiped the expanded universe. Even that is a bit of a stretch though since it's not like those books and comics just disappeared and they are drawing on them for certain projects (Thrawn).

This quote is bad... But it pales in comparison to the fact that they started a new Star Wars trilogy without actually having a story arc for that trilogy.

 

[zinfamous]

There was a fairly vast number of story lines to steal from with all the fiction that had been written about the universe, similar to Marvel stuff. They just didn't chose particularly good people to head up the projects. JJ is great at making iconic visuals, particularly ones that feel retro and brand new all at once, but is disinterested or incapable of creating a complete story ark, and the rest of the people were just mostly under-qualified and incompetent. They should have hired a writer/director to create the 3 movies like LOTR did, but instead they wanted to pump the movies out as fast as possible, so this is what you get.

Exactly. There is so much material to pull from, but they just decided to scrap it and decide "not cannon!"

The reason a lot of the Batman stuff, and the earliest X-Men stuff was so successful and arguably quite good for their genre, is that they pulled from very specific, very popular story archs that long-ago defined those characters into their current, popular associations. ...I actually just watched this pretty chill documentary on Chris Claremont and his work with X-Men for so many years (basically--everything that anyone now knows about X-Men and mutants, and accepts as definitive to those characters and stories, was entirely Chris Claremont. I knew this...but wasn't aware how that had really been glossed-over in recent years.)

All of his best story arcs were adapted to make the best of those movies (X1 and X2, The New uh, generation or whatever, then Days of Future Past, etc)...of course, the very best of his work: Dark Phoenix, was both adapted but also bastardized and turned to absolute shit....TWICE! lol. (If no one has seen Legion, you should really check that out--but I suggest maybe lots of mushrooms or LSD...at the very minimum clambaking while watching those shows--because that is perfect Claremont-like story telling)

Batman, of course, has only ever been going off the Dark Knight stuff and everything that followed from that. Retold over and over again.

I say this, because Star Wars had plenty of it. I know the Thrawn and such books are really popular, but as far as a good trilogy, that could be presented really well on film, I've always thought they should have gone with Tim Veitch? Veith? whatever...Dark Horse series, Dark Empire. I think there were two series, but I'm only really familiar with the first set of, I think 6 longish issues. To me, this was the absolute best of the non-film Star Wars content from back in the day, and could have provided the perfect carry over to settle the Skywalker/Han characters into the new blood, if that was their goal.

It treated every character proper--not this current shitpiling they did with Luke. It really focused on his finally dealing with the Dark Side, properly--struggling mightily, but also tearing-ass across entire battlefields in the process, as anyone fully expects him to be able to at that point. It deals with the whole Emperor resurrection thing properly, and ends it (Yes, we knew the Emperor could collapse into and control Force energy, most likely; yes, we knew the dude was all into clones...so yeah, this all makes fricking sense. Work with what the universe already gave you to work with). Everything was there, and just perfect. I've probably mentioned this several times around here, but I just can't understand why they didn't go this route. The perfect episodes 7-9 were written and established back in the mid-90s. Obviously, toss in some external, new characters to get the "new blood" established, but the overall plot had been written.

 

[zinfamous]

Making A STAR WARS Film Is Difficult Due To A Lack Of Comics And Novels Says Lucasfilm President

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Either they are preposterously incompetent, actually locked out by what Disney actually owns and is authorized to work with (most likely?), or assume all of the lifelong star wars fans are as stupid and ignorant as they are to believe such horseshit.

 

[Majes]

I say this, because Star Wars had plenty of it. I know the Thrawn and such books are really popular, but as far as a good trilogy, that could be presented really well on film, I've always thought they should have gone with Tim Veitch? Veith? whatever...Dark Horse series, Dark Empire. I think there were two series, but I'm only really familiar with the first set of, I think 6 longish issues. To me, this was the absolute best of the non-film Star Wars content from back in the day, and could have provided the perfect carry over to settle the Skywalker/Han characters into the new blood, if that was their goal.

They lost so much brilliant stuff when they let the EU go, and they dumbed things down so much from the stories that existed.

We went from years and years of complex war with the empire to the empire being defeated in about a year.
We went from Jedi twins in the Solo family (an incredibly interesting concept) to Ben Solo
We went from a new Jedi Order with hundreds of new characters and challenges to a single Jedi
We went from story-lines that advanced the main characters while still treating them with reverence to a tale that destroys their accomplishments and diminishes their character.

It's only really bad because the new stuff is poor quality. I recall thinking "maybe this won't be that bad. I'll always have the old stories. But now they can take the story and go anywhere with it!" But the stuff they've released has been bad. I don't mean the movies. The books have all been in a range from average to absolute hot garbage (Chuck Wendig!)

 

[destrekor]

Exactly. There is so much material to pull from, but they just decided to scrap it and decide "not cannon!"

The reason a lot of the Batman stuff, and the earliest X-Men stuff was so successful and arguably quite good for their genre, is that they pulled from very specific, very popular story archs that long-ago defined those characters into their current, popular associations. ...I actually just watched this pretty chill documentary on Chris Claremont and his work with X-Men for so many years (basically--everything that anyone now knows about X-Men and mutants, and accepts as definitive to those characters and stories, was entirely Chris Claremont. I knew this...but wasn't aware how that had really been glossed-over in recent years.)

All of his best story arcs were adapted to make the best of those movies (X1 and X2, The New uh, generation or whatever, then Days of Future Past, etc)...of course, the very best of his work: Dark Phoenix, was both adapted but also bastardized and turned to absolute shit....TWICE! lol. (If no one has seen Legion, you should really check that out--but I suggest maybe lots of mushrooms or LSD...at the very minimum clambaking while watching those shows--because that is perfect Claremont-like story telling)

Batman, of course, has only ever been going off the Dark Knight stuff and everything that followed from that. Retold over and over again.

I say this, because Star Wars had plenty of it. I know the Thrawn and such books are really popular, but as far as a good trilogy, that could be presented really well on film, I've always thought they should have gone with Tim Veitch? Veith? whatever...Dark Horse series, Dark Empire. I think there were two series, but I'm only really familiar with the first set of, I think 6 longish issues. To me, this was the absolute best of the non-film Star Wars content from back in the day, and could have provided the perfect carry over to settle the Skywalker/Han characters into the new blood, if that was their goal.

It treated every character proper--not this current shitpiling they did with Luke. It really focused on his finally dealing with the Dark Side, properly--struggling mightily, but also tearing-ass across entire battlefields in the process, as anyone fully expects him to be able to at that point. It deals with the whole Emperor resurrection thing properly, and ends it (Yes, we knew the Emperor could collapse into and control Force energy, most likely; yes, we knew the dude was all into clones...so yeah, this all makes fricking sense. Work with what the universe already gave you to work with). Everything was there, and just perfect. I've probably mentioned this several times around here, but I just can't understand why they didn't go this route. The perfect episodes 7-9 were written and established back in the mid-90s. Obviously, toss in some external, new characters to get the "new blood" established, but the overall plot had been written.

I just want to say that you are 100% spot-on with Legion. That show was fucking amazeballs and trippy as all get out, and I loved every single second of it! I think I appreciate the fact that the show has definitively ended, stretching it out would be a disservice, it was a clear arch and never lagged or lulled to fill in time.

 

[jpiniero]

I read the leaks about the story of the movie... lets just put it this way, Star Wars as a franchise is hard to kill but Disney is doing their best. Kind of makes you long for the prequels.

 

[sdifox]

Writing a movie from scratch with new characters is fairly simple. Writing a new movie based on icon characters with already established story arcs that must intersect with new character development and is rabidly curated by a huge and critical fan base is hard.

They could have licensed Timothy Zahn's trilogy.

 

[randay]

I read the leaks about the story of the movie... lets just put it this way, Star Wars as a franchise is hard to kill but Disney is doing their best. Kind of makes you long for the prequels.

lets be honest, noone is killing the franchise. the fans just are super whiney. it only takes 1 movie to ruin a franchise and cause a reboot. but we are on number 6.... so.... the numbers dont lie.

 

[shortylickens]

Does anyone else find it remarkable how terribly these movies are written considering the literally unlimited money they could spend on writing and editing to make it brilliant? I can only assume that the time crunch and story-by-committee is to blame.

its not bad because they wont spend money on a script. Its bad because of executive meddling. Disney wants the lowest common denominator so it can get the most butts in seats. They are hoping for a billion dollar revenue.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The Mandalorian is massive fan service and everything the prequels and new trilogy should have been.

 

[qliveur]

I was once a lifelong fan, but I still haven't seen TLJ. Read the plot synopsis and had no desire to sit through it only to be pissed off.

Consequently, I really can't bring myself to GAF about this movie, either.

I just want to say that you are 100% spot-on with Legion. That show was fucking amazeballs and trippy as all get out, and I loved every single second of it! I think I appreciate the fact that the show has definitively ended, stretching it out would be a disservice, it was a clear arch and never lagged or lulled to fill in time.

Thirded. Legion was great.

Terrifically well-written and -acted, awesome visuals, a kickass soundtrack and a satisfying conclusion.

Highly recommended.

 

[lupi]

Find that bunker now if you want to hide from the spoilers. Imagine it's going to be worse than something silly like a baby yoda doll.

 

[Franz316]

It's so disappointing to see what Disney has done with these three films. What's most sad is that none of it can be undone. Luke, Han and Leia were all wrecked to make room for new poorly written characters in a trilogy with no real direction or heart. The actors in the new ones are fine, but JarJar Abrams and company had no idea how to write something from scratch. They should have just went with a modified Thrawn trilogy. Early reports on TROS are pretty dismal, but that shouldn't be surprising. I might see it on a matinee Sunday morning or pay for another movie and slip in. Disney doesn't deserve to be rewarded for botching one of the iconic franchises in history.

 

[Majes]

I'm going to go in, turn off my brain, and enjoy the mindless action flick. Star Wars now is just pretty colors and explosions.

I had really hoped that they had learned from Marvel how to handle a cinematic universe. Instead we get a Mad-Lib director trilogy that makes almost no sense as a part of the larger story.