Luke wasnt great at everything. The sand person kicks his ass and Ben saves him. The thug in the bar was going to kick his ass and Ben saves him again. R2D2 saves him in the trash compactor. Han saves him when he tries to blow up the death star. And thats just in the first movie. The only thing was good at from the start was being a pilot, and they established that early and often.
Luke wasnt great at everything. The sand person kicks his ass and Ben saves him. The thug in the bar was going to kick his ass and Ben saves him again. R2D2 saves him in the trash compactor. Han saves him when he tries to blow up the death star. And thats just in the first movie. The only thing was good at from the start was being a pilot, and they established that early and often.
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Aikouka
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Didn't he also practice shooting on those weird desert rat creatures, or am I thinking of something else?
What's amusing about that entire image's argument is that it thinks "well, the previous movies had examples of characters that have convenient powers, so therefore, it's okay for this movie to have them too!" That's a godawful argument. A previous film having a poor movie trope isn't an excuse for a later film to continue the trend.
The thing is... everything about Rey could've been explained with a few quick things inserted. For example, we could've seen her messing with the Y-wing computer's flight sim when she heard BB-8 cry out. It would've only lasted a few seconds, and boom... we would've been able to go back to that in our minds when she went to fly the ship.
Saw it today. It was good but characters underdeveloped. Think Revenge of the Sith overall bests it, in terms of charachters and wow factor.
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1) why did the New Republic back a Resistance? Why did they even need to create one?
why didn't they go after the First Order themselves?
besides, the term Resistance is against the current ruling govt, which is this case is the New Republic.
New Republic is what was formed when luke/han/leia/etc defeated Emperor Palpatine.
2) How could the remnants of the Empire have the resources to create something like the Death planet?
How could the New Republic not know something that considerable was being built?
when Palpatine was alive and the Empire had an iron grip, it was still tough to build Death Star #2.
3) Rey is Han/Leia's daughter. Leia gave birth to twins. She is Kylo Ren's sister.
oh wait.. that's the old Star Wars Expanded Universe canon.
ie: Jacen and Jaina Solo, where Jacen turns to the Dark side and Jaina eventually kills him because he couldn't be turned
4) I thought the guy that played Aniken was the worst casting of a major Star Wars character.
I was wrong. THe emo kid playing Kylo Ren now takes the #1 spot.
Justin Bevier would have been better.
5) so they found out Luke's location. Why only send Rey?
6) Rey tapped into the Matrix and downloaded everything she needed to know about how to fly the Millennium Falcon, fix the Millennium Falcon, speaking a bazillion languages including Droid and Wookie, and of course saber fight and unlocking the secrets of the Force like there was a .pdf file.
she's the female version of Neo.
see.. same 3 letter first name
7) 30yrs later Luke is STILL the last Jedi?!
WTF?!
when the New Republic won, why didn't the surviving Jedi come out and join them?
I was expecting the surviving Master Jedi's to have taught many new generations of Jedi by now.
Obi Wan couldn't have been the only Master Jedi to survive Order 66?
Finally:
Episode VII is a zillion times better than Eps I-III but that isn't saying much.
I had such high hopes for Disney given their story telling expertise.
they didn't meet them.
why didn't they go after the First Order themselves?
besides, the term Resistance is against the current ruling govt, which is this case is the New Republic.
New Republic is what was formed when luke/han/leia/etc defeated Emperor Palpatine.
2) How could the remnants of the Empire have the resources to create something like the Death planet?
How could the New Republic not know something that considerable was being built?
when Palpatine was alive and the Empire had an iron grip, it was still tough to build Death Star #2.
3) Rey is Han/Leia's daughter. Leia gave birth to twins. She is Kylo Ren's sister.
oh wait.. that's the old Star Wars Expanded Universe canon.
ie: Jacen and Jaina Solo, where Jacen turns to the Dark side and Jaina eventually kills him because he couldn't be turned
4) I thought the guy that played Aniken was the worst casting of a major Star Wars character.
I was wrong. THe emo kid playing Kylo Ren now takes the #1 spot.
Justin Bevier would have been better.
5) so they found out Luke's location. Why only send Rey?
6) Rey tapped into the Matrix and downloaded everything she needed to know about how to fly the Millennium Falcon, fix the Millennium Falcon, speaking a bazillion languages including Droid and Wookie, and of course saber fight and unlocking the secrets of the Force like there was a .pdf file.
she's the female version of Neo.
see.. same 3 letter first name
7) 30yrs later Luke is STILL the last Jedi?!
WTF?!
when the New Republic won, why didn't the surviving Jedi come out and join them?
I was expecting the surviving Master Jedi's to have taught many new generations of Jedi by now.
Obi Wan couldn't have been the only Master Jedi to survive Order 66?
Finally:
Episode VII is a zillion times better than Eps I-III but that isn't saying much.
I had such high hopes for Disney given their story telling expertise.
they didn't meet them.
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Of all the gripes I've seen thus far this is by far the best. In fact, I'm sure most were discussing this very point when the credits started to roll.
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The Republic did not back the resistance because it signed a treaty with the First Order and the resistance could be seen as jeopardizing the (faux) sense of peace.
As for how the First Empire makes a weapon better than the Empire with less, I don't know. Then again, I have serious questions for how a bunch of rag tags can develop something like the X wing and A Wing that are head and shoulders above what the Empire with all its R and D can do with a Tie F/interceptor in every way conceivable. Just one of those things. Signs point to Rey being Luke's daughter from the "My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power too" line. As for Luke, he isn't really the last Jedi. He was training new students but Kylo Ren turned and killed them. The new republic still does not fully understand the ways of the force and came down hard on Luke to explain why Ben fell to the dark side.
As for how the First Empire makes a weapon better than the Empire with less, I don't know. Then again, I have serious questions for how a bunch of rag tags can develop something like the X wing and A Wing that are head and shoulders above what the Empire with all its R and D can do with a Tie F/interceptor in every way conceivable. Just one of those things. Signs point to Rey being Luke's daughter from the "My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power too" line. As for Luke, he isn't really the last Jedi. He was training new students but Kylo Ren turned and killed them. The new republic still does not fully understand the ways of the force and came down hard on Luke to explain why Ben fell to the dark side.
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I didn't think the movie was trying to hide the fact that Rey is Luke's daughter, given the similarity upbringing between the two and being that Jakku is so far away from the wars where it'll be safe to raise a kid. My question is, who is Rey's mother?
Aikouka
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Eh, I don't think any of the prequels were better than any Episode VII. The biggest problem with the prequels are that the prop up silly spectacle over actual substance, and when they attempt to provide substance, it's laughably bad. (I'd like to insert a video of the scene from Episode III with the lines "You look so beautiful tonight" "That's because I'm in love", but I can't find it. ).
EDIT:
If we're lucky, we'll get Mara. You'll notice on that page that amusingly enough... Luke's kid in the abandoned EU (now called "Star Wars Legends") is named Ben. Anyway, it might just be my bias towards redheads :wub:.
).EDIT:
If we're lucky, we'll get Mara. You'll notice on that page that amusingly enough... Luke's kid in the abandoned EU (now called "Star Wars Legends") is named Ben.
Anyway, it might just be my bias towards redheads :wub:.
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The prequels are awful. And what's worse is I can tell when watching the 'Special Edition' original trilogy what the prequel-esque crap is that Lucas shoved in there. Those 3 movies basically don't even exist to me. I get some of the gripes some people have who want to seriously analyze the new film. But when it comes down to it, to me, as a person who has seen all of these movies in the theater, Episode 7 at least belongs in the same discussion as the original 3. And to be honest is definitely better than Return of the Jedi to me.
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Saw it yesterday, it was a fun movie!
Definitely feeling conflicted. I feel like there's a lot to criticize, but I don't want to because I want to see where they go with the movie (and also because I view SW as Hollywood royalty & want to keep the originals secure in my childhood memory). It's going to be weird having different directors for every movie though. I think really my biggest problem is that I've read so many of the books...there's supposed to be three kids! My brain kept having to shove off everything I've read for the past 20 years from the EU.
Like Han turning back to smuggling & not talking to Leia...really? That felt like kind of a lame cop-out in the same vein as Doctor Who when he goes back to get Amy & Rory and they've split up over not being able to have kids, but then more or less instantly come back together.
I think Rey carried the movie. Ridley did a great job as an actress, she definitely has that X factor that makes her a really interesting main character. One of the things that bothered me at first was the way they spoke, especially Finn...I thought it was going to be an SNL spoof where Key & Peele popped out haha. But then I realized they were localizing the dialogue to today's style of talking instead of the 70's vernacular. Like when Finn was all, "Why do you want to go back to Jakkar? Family? Boyfriend? Cute boyfriend?" Then it started feeling more natural & actually felt like the first new Ninja Turtle movie, where Michelangelo was funny but they didn't give him enough lines. I wasn't super crazy about Finn at first, but he grew on me & then I wished they had written more goofy stuff for him.
I saw it in Fauxmax 3D. I don't feel like 3D added much to the movie, not at the same level of Avatar, at least. The best 3D moment was in the first half of the movie with the isometric view of the Star Destroyer, that really popped out of the screen! But the rest, meh.
Honestly, I didn't really mind that it was kind of a rehash of the other movies, in terms of "we built a bigger, badder Death Star". Almost a nod to the Sun Crusher from the books too. I really didn't like that they used a couple well-known non-SW characters in the movie, in particular Matt Parkman from Heroes (Greg Grunberg) and Miles from Lost (Ken Leung) - those two immediately threw me out of the movie because I just thought "Matthew Parkman & that guy from Lost" right away. I couldn't see past their characters to see their acting tbh.
Great job on the music & special effects. The Falcon chase scene was great. Excellent job on the aliens, uniforms, scenes, etc. Loved the huge epicness of a lot of the scenes, like when Rey is rappelling down the inside of the crashed Star Destroyer & then going down the absolutely huge sand dune. I loved the huge sense of scale they sprinkled throughout the movie.
If I'm going to be totally honest, I'm glad that Ford isn't going to be in it anymore. I didn't feel like he was giving 100% to his acting (nor Carrie Fisher). Really, the only one I liked was Luke...he just really looked the part of an older Jedi. We'll see what happens when he talks though! I knew as soon as Ford walked onto the walkway, he was going to get a knife through the heart. And you know, I had my fair share of enjoyment of his character from the books, even up to his final face-off with Boba Fett where they settled their differences. So I was kind of glad to see him go because I didn't feel like we were really getting the full Han Solo character, which was somewhat disappointing. But the new Indiana Jones movie was terrible too, so I don't know if it was his acting, the writing, or what. I was really hoping he was going to give it a solid 110%...really bring it back, in the way that Will Smith should have brought back ID4 #2. But nope, so when he died...I was sad, but not heartbroken. I'm willing to see how they open up this new universe...
I wish Kylo had waited until meeting his dad to take off his helmet so that it would have had more impact at how young & fresh he was - no scars or anger lines crinkled into his facial skin or anything. Darth Emo is kind of a fitting name for him, haha. I didn't recognize him because I'm not familiar with the actor (Adam Driver) & thought it was Josh Groban at first, lol. And I was kind of surprised that his master was Gollum. I'm glad he's not a giant though...the hologram threw me off at first. Giant Gollum would have made it worse
Gizmodo said it's even better the second time around, since you can enjoy it rather than going in with high expectations & then comparing it to everything you thought it'd be. I may go back & see it in 2D. I liked the initial focus on Rey, it reminded me of the introduction to Wall-E where you just kind of see him doing his own thing & seeing how his average day went. Story-wise, it felt like they walked a line between being simple enough for kids & yet entertaining enough for adults. Like when the TIE fighter gets shot out of the sky, Finn takes the jacket, and a short time later finds the droid. Very convenient! I mean, I understand things like that have to happen, but it felt like a lot of things were kind of glossed over in the background.
And I understand that Star Wars is now far more oriented towards younger kids, and I can get behind that, but it kind of felt like we missed a big chunk of the stuff that made the originals magic...that the Empire was a universal threat, that the Force could save you, that there was more than just a mission, there was an adventure with music that filled your chest with dreams & hopes and made you swing around a broom like a lightsaber as a kid. I think that's the feeling I was hoping for the most. They kinda-sorta got it, but not entirely. They did do a good job of keeping the momentum going & keeping you interested the whole way. I'm curious to see what Rian Johnson will do with it...he did some pretty good episodes of Breaking Bad, so I'm curious to see if they tighten up the story at all, now that we've had a solid introduction to the new characters & new universe. I'd be really curious to see what Christopher Nolan could do with it, because he came closer to capturing that "big movie magic" feeling with the Dark Knight series (especially the first couple) than anything else I've seen in recent memory.
It sort of felt like a bridge between the old movies & the newer Jar Jar movies...they recognized that kids are a huge, huge market for them, so they had to dumb it down in certain areas...which again I feel is fine, because they do make a ton of money off the toys & it's also great that kids can get into Star Wars at younger ages...but so many of us I think really wanted to see a deeper, more complex story with the epicness that the originals had. As much as I love JJ's work, he does more popcorn-movie stuff than truly lasting work. I'm actually a big fan of the new Star Treks, not because they're great Star Trek movies (which they're not...they are not thinking sci-fi movies, which is what defines Trek), but because they've both been really fun sci-fi space movies. I feel like this new Star Wars suffered the same issue as his Super 8 movie...it was no E.T. They did a really good job all around, but it didn't have lasting power like say Back to the Future does. Which again is why I'm curious to see how Rian Johnson will do with it, because Breaking Bad was one of the most outstanding pieces of cinematic storytelling I've seen in ages - they got the emotions right in it, not just the fluff stuff.
Anyway, overall, I thought it was a lot of fun. Strongly considering a second visit to the theater just to get immersed in it again. Have my qualms, but I'm willing to see where they're going to take it over the next couple of movies.
Definitely feeling conflicted. I feel like there's a lot to criticize, but I don't want to because I want to see where they go with the movie (and also because I view SW as Hollywood royalty & want to keep the originals secure in my childhood memory). It's going to be weird having different directors for every movie though. I think really my biggest problem is that I've read so many of the books...there's supposed to be three kids! My brain kept having to shove off everything I've read for the past 20 years from the EU.
Like Han turning back to smuggling & not talking to Leia...really? That felt like kind of a lame cop-out in the same vein as Doctor Who when he goes back to get Amy & Rory and they've split up over not being able to have kids, but then more or less instantly come back together.
I think Rey carried the movie. Ridley did a great job as an actress, she definitely has that X factor that makes her a really interesting main character. One of the things that bothered me at first was the way they spoke, especially Finn...I thought it was going to be an SNL spoof where Key & Peele popped out haha. But then I realized they were localizing the dialogue to today's style of talking instead of the 70's vernacular. Like when Finn was all, "Why do you want to go back to Jakkar? Family? Boyfriend? Cute boyfriend?" Then it started feeling more natural & actually felt like the first new Ninja Turtle movie, where Michelangelo was funny but they didn't give him enough lines. I wasn't super crazy about Finn at first, but he grew on me & then I wished they had written more goofy stuff for him.
I saw it in Fauxmax 3D. I don't feel like 3D added much to the movie, not at the same level of Avatar, at least. The best 3D moment was in the first half of the movie with the isometric view of the Star Destroyer, that really popped out of the screen! But the rest, meh.
Honestly, I didn't really mind that it was kind of a rehash of the other movies, in terms of "we built a bigger, badder Death Star". Almost a nod to the Sun Crusher from the books too. I really didn't like that they used a couple well-known non-SW characters in the movie, in particular Matt Parkman from Heroes (Greg Grunberg) and Miles from Lost (Ken Leung) - those two immediately threw me out of the movie because I just thought "Matthew Parkman & that guy from Lost" right away. I couldn't see past their characters to see their acting tbh.
Great job on the music & special effects. The Falcon chase scene was great. Excellent job on the aliens, uniforms, scenes, etc. Loved the huge epicness of a lot of the scenes, like when Rey is rappelling down the inside of the crashed Star Destroyer & then going down the absolutely huge sand dune. I loved the huge sense of scale they sprinkled throughout the movie.
If I'm going to be totally honest, I'm glad that Ford isn't going to be in it anymore. I didn't feel like he was giving 100% to his acting (nor Carrie Fisher). Really, the only one I liked was Luke...he just really looked the part of an older Jedi. We'll see what happens when he talks though! I knew as soon as Ford walked onto the walkway, he was going to get a knife through the heart. And you know, I had my fair share of enjoyment of his character from the books, even up to his final face-off with Boba Fett where they settled their differences. So I was kind of glad to see him go because I didn't feel like we were really getting the full Han Solo character, which was somewhat disappointing. But the new Indiana Jones movie was terrible too, so I don't know if it was his acting, the writing, or what. I was really hoping he was going to give it a solid 110%...really bring it back, in the way that Will Smith should have brought back ID4 #2. But nope, so when he died...I was sad, but not heartbroken. I'm willing to see how they open up this new universe...
I wish Kylo had waited until meeting his dad to take off his helmet so that it would have had more impact at how young & fresh he was - no scars or anger lines crinkled into his facial skin or anything. Darth Emo is kind of a fitting name for him, haha. I didn't recognize him because I'm not familiar with the actor (Adam Driver) & thought it was Josh Groban at first, lol. And I was kind of surprised that his master was Gollum. I'm glad he's not a giant though...the hologram threw me off at first. Giant Gollum would have made it worse
Gizmodo said it's even better the second time around, since you can enjoy it rather than going in with high expectations & then comparing it to everything you thought it'd be. I may go back & see it in 2D. I liked the initial focus on Rey, it reminded me of the introduction to Wall-E where you just kind of see him doing his own thing & seeing how his average day went. Story-wise, it felt like they walked a line between being simple enough for kids & yet entertaining enough for adults. Like when the TIE fighter gets shot out of the sky, Finn takes the jacket, and a short time later finds the droid. Very convenient! I mean, I understand things like that have to happen, but it felt like a lot of things were kind of glossed over in the background.
And I understand that Star Wars is now far more oriented towards younger kids, and I can get behind that, but it kind of felt like we missed a big chunk of the stuff that made the originals magic...that the Empire was a universal threat, that the Force could save you, that there was more than just a mission, there was an adventure with music that filled your chest with dreams & hopes and made you swing around a broom like a lightsaber as a kid. I think that's the feeling I was hoping for the most. They kinda-sorta got it, but not entirely. They did do a good job of keeping the momentum going & keeping you interested the whole way. I'm curious to see what Rian Johnson will do with it...he did some pretty good episodes of Breaking Bad, so I'm curious to see if they tighten up the story at all, now that we've had a solid introduction to the new characters & new universe. I'd be really curious to see what Christopher Nolan could do with it, because he came closer to capturing that "big movie magic" feeling with the Dark Knight series (especially the first couple) than anything else I've seen in recent memory.
It sort of felt like a bridge between the old movies & the newer Jar Jar movies...they recognized that kids are a huge, huge market for them, so they had to dumb it down in certain areas...which again I feel is fine, because they do make a ton of money off the toys & it's also great that kids can get into Star Wars at younger ages...but so many of us I think really wanted to see a deeper, more complex story with the epicness that the originals had. As much as I love JJ's work, he does more popcorn-movie stuff than truly lasting work. I'm actually a big fan of the new Star Treks, not because they're great Star Trek movies (which they're not...they are not thinking sci-fi movies, which is what defines Trek), but because they've both been really fun sci-fi space movies. I feel like this new Star Wars suffered the same issue as his Super 8 movie...it was no E.T. They did a really good job all around, but it didn't have lasting power like say Back to the Future does. Which again is why I'm curious to see how Rian Johnson will do with it, because Breaking Bad was one of the most outstanding pieces of cinematic storytelling I've seen in ages - they got the emotions right in it, not just the fluff stuff.
Anyway, overall, I thought it was a lot of fun. Strongly considering a second visit to the theater just to get immersed in it again. Have my qualms, but I'm willing to see where they're going to take it over the next couple of movies.
Printer Bandit
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she looked gorgeous in the movie for sure, a natural beauty
but really fuck this movie, they killed han solo (wh-wh-what?)
in my world han solo doesnt die like that. han solo is the man. in my world han shoots first. in my world he would have shot his kid dead if he was going all crazy and threatening like that without many fucks given tbh.
and lel at them just pulling some supreme leader sorkin or whatever out of thin air with no explanation or fucks given. seriously fuck this movie. i never liked jj abrams much, best thing he did was cloverfield.
but really fuck this movie, they killed han solo (wh-wh-what?)
in my world han solo doesnt die like that. han solo is the man. in my world han shoots first. in my world he would have shot his kid dead if he was going all crazy and threatening like that without many fucks given tbh.
and lel at them just pulling some supreme leader sorkin or whatever out of thin air with no explanation or fucks given. seriously fuck this movie. i never liked jj abrams much, best thing he did was cloverfield.
CZroe
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Doesn't clarify anything. "My sister has it" could just as easily refer to Leia, explaining that the person being spoken to (presumably, Ray) has it from an unspecified relationship to any one of those people.
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