Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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Charmonium

Charmonium

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Slew Foot said:
Apparently that been shown to be false
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Can you give us a source? I think we probably need to take anything from a video game with a grain of salt, but it's interesting that the game aligns so well with such a popular theory about her origin.
 
gorcorps

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Aikouka said:
The thing is... I don't claim the original trilogy to be perfect, but I don't recall it having all these moments that raise questions that never get answered. There's a TED Talk by J.J. Abrams where he talks about movie plot and the idea of surprises. In that talk, he actually uses Star Wars Episode IV as his example, and the one thing that he constantly notes is that while Episode IV brought up things it would usually resolve them fairly soon.

In Episode VII, we get things involving our main characters that could really use an explanation, but we never get one. Now, we'll most likely get an explanation in Episode VIII or IX, but that's in ~2 or 4 years! I think of story writing as kind of like writing a line of code. If I add an open parenthesis into a line of code, I better have a close parenthesis before I end that line. If I don't, the compiler is going to start yelling at me and questioning what I'm doing.



Ah, I mistyped. Thanks for the correction. Essentially, we're getting spin-offs released in-between the series itself.
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I get it, and the original may have done it better but I don't think it's that far off. One of the early questions I had was who is Kylo Ren? Then shortly after I found out. Then I thought "is he going to run into his parents again?" and that was answered too. The big question during the whole movie was "where the hell is Luke?" and we found him by the end.

Right now we don't really know who Rey is. But by the end of A New Hope we didn't know who Darth Vader was either, or his connection to Luke. So some things that aren't answered will come later, just like they did before.

We don't need everything addressed now, otherwise there wouldn't be much to look forward to.
 
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Charmonium said:
Can you give us a source? I think we probably need to take anything from a video game with a grain of salt, but it's interesting that the game aligns so well with such a popular theory about her origin.
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I only take it into consideration, because of who the maker is of the game.
 
Aikouka

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gorcorps said:
I get it, and the original may have done it better but I don't think it's that far off. One of the early questions I had was who is Kylo Ren? Then shortly after I found out. Then I thought "is he going to run into his parents again?" and that was answered too. The big question during the whole movie was "where the hell is Luke?" and we found him by the end.

Right now we don't really know who Rey is. But by the end of A New Hope we didn't know who Darth Vader was either, or his connection to Luke. So some things that aren't answered will come later, just like they did before.

We don't need everything addressed now, otherwise there wouldn't be much to look forward to.
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I'm not sure why you think those are necessarily valid questions to ask about A New Hope as I believe you're mixing in knowledge of already knowing the answer. A New Hope actually tells you that Darth Vader was once a Jedi and he was supposedly the man who "destroyed" Luke's father, who was once a Jedi. I've just answered your questions in a way that would satisfy whatever we knew at the end of the first movie. Sure, we could still be curious which Jedi turned to the Dark Side, but with the knowledge that Luke's dad was dead, it didn't matter much. Of course, we were thrown the curve ball in that Luke's dad was only "metaphorically destroyed" by Darth Vader.

The difference is that in Force Awakens, Rey did things that majorly affected the progression of the story. As viewers, we do not know how she was able to do this, and being able to speculate things with a mish-mash of incomplete information doesn't count. When I watch Episode VII, I feel like I'm putting together a 1000-piece jigsaw puzzle, and I'm right at the end when I realize that I'm missing a piece. Sure, I've got a pretty good picture, but it still feels kind of empty and incomplete.

So, going to your last point, if we already knew who Rey's father was... what would we have to look forward to? Well, honestly, I don't know. Perhaps, the story could have done something to avoid pushing Rey's powers so far into the forefront as to make it a pertinent question? Perhaps the story could have inserted scenes of Rey somehow seeing certain Force powers in action or hearing about them.

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Slew Foot said:
The guy who originally posted it put this out on his twitter:


Joe Vargas Verified account ‏@AngryJoeShow Nevermind guys. DAMMIT! This is why we play these things with Subtitles on. He says the word again at 25:20, more clearly. #Unconfirmed
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Yeah, I see what he's saying. Kylo Ren actually says "Face me... curses!" The "curses!" was interjected as a default sound effect when hit.
 
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Skel

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Today I learned that the Stormtrooper that Finn fought with the saber has a name.. "Riot Control Stormtrooper", which if they said it I missed it. I've come to the conclusion that Captain Phasma is even more inept as I'm gathering she's the one that assigns garbage men to raids and one random riot control trooper to fight the Rebels.
 
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I watched it again, there are a few plot holes that have been explained, but you have to pay close attention. It's pretty bad had how quickly they went over a few things.

However, I did enjoy it more the second time.

Luke is Rey's father, the collector of junk has been watching over her for quite some time now. R2 only comes alive as he's been told to wake up once Rey arrives....

The most glaring issue is with Phasma and the melee Stormtrooper.
 
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Pretty neat that Daniel Craig was the stormtrooper who was guarding Rey. Voices of obi wan and toda were used in that dream sequence
 
PottedMeat

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saw it today - 3d in a nearly empty theater. pretty decent

it was nice that when a planet killer that eats a star gets destroyed it becomes a star

the fat bearded xwing guy was porkin's son right? :awe:
 
CZroe

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PottedMeat said:
saw it today - 3d in a nearly empty theater. pretty decent



it was nice that when a planet killer that eats a star gets destroyed it becomes a star



the fat bearded xwing guy was porkin's son right? :awe:
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Since all of the planets it destroyed were in the same star system it should have just swallowed their star.
 
SKORPI0

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PottedMeat said:
the fat bearded xwing guy was porkin's son right? :awe:
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latest

Temmin "Snap" Wexley..
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Temmin_Wexley
 
Fenixgoon

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overall, a good movie, and i think comparison to the original trilogy is a bit unfair. i think you should go in with a fresh mindset, and as much as i mentally tried to avoid comparing it, i couldn't help it. nonetheless, i enjoyed myself and i'm looking forward to what's in store for the future.

i did have a few gripes. one, kylo ren has had some amount of training, yet he manages to get hit by finn. you would think that would have been a pretty easy fight for a guy who stopped a sniper blaster shot in the beginning of the movie.

two. how did the milennium falcon escape with a star destroyer right there? well, i guess it happened in the first movie, so i can't complain about that too much.

three. i really didn't like the very last shot with the camera circling luke and rey. they just stood there. i was expecting him to at least grab the light saber or something. if they had just ended it at the shot before, with luke undoing his hood, that would have been fine IMO.

four. rey's force powers come on a little too quickly IMO. but i did like the force reference when she was fighting kylo ren. at least it gave her a good reason for being able to kick his ass.

five. where's the fleet guarding the deathplanet?

i'd say for the most part these are fairly nitpicky though. do i think it deserves a 95% on RT? i'd say it's a solid 85. i wasn't blown away, but i think it's a very solid movie
 
Charmonium

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Someone mentioned that this is too much like the original trilogy. I have to agree with that, especially a lot of the visual elements. Jakku may as well be Tatooine. The scene at the castle seemed to deliberately recall the bar scene where Greedo was shot. Then there is the theft of the Falcon, flying underneath a cruiser close to the skin to escape. They even had a death star-like trench that the fighters were flying through on their final run. I don't know if all this was fan service or just a lack of imagination. I tend to lean toward the former but wouldn't completely dismiss the latter.

One thing I really have a problem with is the death planet. Given the status of the First Order in the general scheme of things, it seems strange that they could build something that so far exceeded the best that the Empire could build.

There's also the fact that for a sun sized star, fusion would have fizzled out long before you got to the core. And we'll forget about the amount of mass being transferred in such a short period of time not to mention the problems containing it. It was a decent attempt to try to recapture some of the best aspects of the original trilogy but it would have been better if they'd shown some more imagination.
 
Aikouka

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Fenixgoon said:
i'd say for the most part these are fairly nitpicky though. do i think it deserves a 95% on RT? i'd say it's a solid 85. i wasn't blown away, but i think it's a very solid movie
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I think people misunderstand what a RottenTomatoes score means. 95% doesn't mean the movie is rated a 95/100. It means that 95% of the reviews gave it a positive rating. A movie could get a 7/10 from every reviewer, which arguably means it's "okay", and it would still get a 100% on RottenTomatoes. If you think I'm blowing smoke up places where smoke doesn't belong, divide their number of fresh reviews (284) by the total reviews (301).
 
Linux23

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Anyone have an issue with pixelation on the screen and the audio being way toooo loud at your theater?

I saw it in 3d imax and the resolution projected wasn't very smooth at all. It's almost as if I could see individual pixels on the projected screen.
 
CZroe

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Sephire said:
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I just watched The Firm last night and Mitch (Tom Cruise's character) is a total Mary Sue, especially the part where his stunt double joins a random acrobat street performer boy he's never met in some synchronized tumbling just because... well there was no reason. Reminded me of the Mac and Me "spontaneous dance" McDonald's scene.

Like Ep.VII, "The Firm" is Certified Fresh too. Mary Sues slip in sometime. Deal with it.

Now, all Luke was before the film was an awesome pilot. Everything else was from his training with The Force. The complaints about Rey is that she had to be all of those things before her "Force Awakens." She was an ace pilot without ever having left the planet. She was an ace fighter. She spoke Wookie and Droidspeak without having a Wookie friend or droids. She was an equally accomplished mechanical and engineering genius under pressure as Han Solo, a life-long performance-modding pilot who did not stay on one planet his entire life.

Did her latent Force powers do all that?
 
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