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Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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KeithP said:
Just saw the movie. Here is my take...

I got the same feeling about "Force Awakens" that I got when I first watched "Independence Day"*, it was a very fun/entertaining movie but I know I shouldn't think about it too much or it completely falls apart.

-KeithP

*I am not saying those two movies are of the same caliber.
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I agree.

Same goes for Star Trek.

It seems JJ Abrams doesn't care that much about making the scripts airtight, but then again, it's clear that the moviegoers don't care that much either, judging by successes at the box office. In fact, the reviewers don't seem to mind that much either. Both Star Trek and Star Wars got 95% on RT.

Even the review I linked above that echoed all the negative sentiments I had about Star Wars still gave the movie a 3 out of 4, something that I'd also agree with. It's a pretty good movie, just not a perfect one.

And despite my criticisms, I WILL be buying this on Blu-ray.
 
gorcorps said:
Plenty of things aren't perfect, but it was just as good as the original. People complain about plot holes like the originals were flawless, but they had their own problems.
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The thing is... I don't claim the original trilogy to be perfect, but I don't recall it having all these moments that raise questions that never get answered. There's a TED Talk by J.J. Abrams where he talks about movie plot and the idea of surprises. In that talk, he actually uses Star Wars Episode IV as his example, and the one thing that he constantly notes is that while Episode IV brought up things it would usually resolve them fairly soon.

In Episode VII, we get things involving our main characters that could really use an explanation, but we never get one. Now, we'll most likely get an explanation in Episode VIII or IX, but that's in ~2 or 4 years! I think of story writing as kind of like writing a line of code. If I add an open parenthesis into a line of code, I better have a close parenthesis before I end that line. If I don't, the compiler is going to start yelling at me and questioning what I'm doing.

ElFenix said:
VIII is may 2017
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Ah, I mistyped. Thanks for the correction. Essentially, we're getting spin-offs released in-between the series itself.
 
Since Abrams was canned as the director of the Star Trek series, who thinks the same thing is going to happen with SW? And if the new director is going to create contradictions and discontinuities with the previous versions, isn't that a possibility for SW?

I think you need to have a certain amount of consistency for a franchise to be viable. Sure, some people are going to watch no matter what, but it's been 10 years since the last installment. Fans were desperate for another movie. But if you're going to have yearly releases including spin-offs, which seems to be the plan for SW now, I don't think you can afford to start rewriting canon.
 
Charmonium said:
Since Abrams was canned as the director of the Star Trek series, who thinks the same thing is going to happen with SW? And if the new director is going to create contradictions and discontinuities with the previous versions, isn't that a possibility for SW?

I think you need to have a certain amount of consistency for a franchise to be viable. Sure, some people are going to watch no matter what, but it's been 10 years since the last installment. Fans were desperate for another movie. But if you're going to have yearly releases including spin-offs, which seems to be the plan for SW now, I don't think you can afford to start rewriting canon.
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Abrams isn't directing Episode VIII; Rian Johnson is.
 
Charmonium said:
Since Abrams was canned as the director of the Star Trek series, who thinks the same thing is going to happen with SW? And if the new director is going to create contradictions and discontinuities with the previous versions, isn't that a possibility for SW?
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JJ Abrams wasn't canned as director of Star Trek. He stepped aside to do Star Wars.

I think you need to have a certain amount of consistency for a franchise to be viable. Sure, some people are going to watch no matter what, but it's been 10 years since the last installment. Fans were desperate for another movie. But if you're going to have yearly releases including spin-offs, which seems to be the plan for SW now, I don't think you can afford to start rewriting canon.
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As far as I'm concerned, the so-called canon of the books is totally irrelevant, and I wouldn't even care if they ignored the canon of Episodes I - III.

The only things in the Star Wars universe that matter to me are the movies starting at Episode IV.

However, in the greater scheme of things I think it would be reasonable to have just the movies (all of the theatrical releases) as canon, and again just ignore those books.

Aikouka said:
Abrams isn't directing Episode VIII; Rian Johnson is.
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I'm more optimistic about this than Star Trek Fast and Furious, esp. since I like Looper and the Ozymandias episode of Breaking Bad. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed for both the ST and SW movies.
 
Charmonium said:
Since Abrams was canned as the director of the Star Trek series, who thinks the same thing is going to happen with SW? And if the new director is going to create contradictions and discontinuities with the previous versions, isn't that a possibility for SW?

I think you need to have a certain amount of consistency for a franchise to be viable. Sure, some people are going to watch no matter what, but it's been 10 years since the last installment. Fans were desperate for another movie. But if you're going to have yearly releases including spin-offs, which seems to be the plan for SW now, I don't think you can afford to start rewriting canon.
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You do realize that the first three films had three different directors right?
 
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bbhaag said:
You do realize that the first three films had three different directors right?
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No. I'm not much of a SW fan. I didn't mean to imply that changing directors changes the story. But that does happen. My point is that the people who own the rights to a franchise should do whatever they can to insure consistency. Not just for the fans, but for their own benefit.
 
Aikouka said:
Abrams isn't directing Episode VIII; Rian Johnson is.
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Charmonium said:
No. I'm not much of a SW fan. I didn't mean to imply that changing directors changes the story. But that does happen. My point is that the people who own the rights to a franchise should do whatever they can to insure consistency. Not just for the fans, but for their own benefit.
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Why? I'm sure a lot of the fans out there would love to see Jar Jar Binks expunged from Star Wars canon.
 
Eug said:
Why? I'm sure a lot of the fans out there would love to see Jar Jar Binks expunged from Star Wars canon.
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That's very true. But you don't need to rewrite history to get rid of Jar Jar. You just ignore him. It's not like he's such a central character that you can't have the story w/o him.
 
Yes there are some possible plot issues but dont forget we have 30years to reflect back over the first three and didnt (some of us anyway) have to wait for issues to resolve. We just went from one movie to the next with no years in between.

Regardless, I think Abrahms cared deeply for these movies and did a damn fine job revitalizing them. Even if they turn out to be a little generic all around at least he honored the core of what they are.

I dont think for one moment that this movie was a "cash cow" for him. And even Disney for that matter. They have been very careful of the quality of their independent licensing as of late. Im not saying they didnt expect to make $ hand over fist, I just think they are smart enough to know that they have to have a strong quality to do so and continue doing so. They know the sour taste the prequels have left and that they had a large gap to overcome.

I think they have shown that they take these movies seriously, Look at all the marvel movies. Almost all very solid movies, a lot of care goes into them.

Rian Johnson is another great director, I have strength of confidence that the series main story is going to be well done. Like someone said there were 3 different directors for the original ones and 2.5 of those movies were excellent.

Its not like someone wrote an independent script for just one movie with no long term resolvement and then burned it when the movie was done. There is an arcing story that has been outlined and Im sure with the right directors they will be good movies worthy of the star wars moniker.

If parts 8&9 come out and nothing is resolved and plot holes abound then come back to this thread and wave your finger and say I told you so. Until then STFU and wait, unless you have some insider knowledge then you simply just dont know, so quit bitching about something I highly doubt most of you whiners could do any better.
 
So, apparently, Rey's identity has been accidentally revealed in the Disney Infinity 3.0 by a line of dialog during a fight between Rey and Kylo Ren. If you want to know, you can see it here.
 
Sometimes you nerds drive me crazy. It's like you expect these new films to bring back that flicker from your childhood. Guess what nerd? It doesn't happen that way.
You're old now not a child. The new films will NEVER hold that same magic for you like the old ones did.
 
Homerboy said:
A lot of you need to let go of your questions and "issues" with the movie.There a easily just as many plot issues and holes in the OT yet those have not been put to the scrutiny that this one movie has. In fact we seem to laugh at the ridiculousness of the issues in the OT, but for some reason, with this new movie we get angry/frustrated.

Just ENJOY THE GOD DAMN THING for what it is.

Star Wars was NEVER a literary master piece -- nor is it ever going to be.
Just be ecstatic it is light years (parsecs?) better than the prequels and their story lines.
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:thumbsup:
 
MonKENy said:
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If parts 8&9 come out and nothing is resolved and plot holes abound then come back to this thread and wave your finger and say I told you so. Until then STFU and wait, unless you have some insider knowledge then you simply just dont know, so quit bitching about something I highly doubt most of you whiners could do any better.
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You want people to "STFU" and hold their tongues until all the movies are out, but how can I say "I told you so" without ever having said it?

Also, why do I have to hold my tongue for this movie and I don't have to for anything else I watch? :colbert:
 
Charmonium said:
Since Abrams was canned as the director of the Star Trek series, who thinks the same thing is going to happen with SW? And if the new director is going to create contradictions and discontinuities with the previous versions, isn't that a possibility for SW?

I think you need to have a certain amount of consistency for a franchise to be viable. Sure, some people are going to watch no matter what, but it's been 10 years since the last installment. Fans were desperate for another movie. But if you're going to have yearly releases including spin-offs, which seems to be the plan for SW now, I don't think you can afford to start rewriting canon.
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You think Abrams was canned? lol, that's adorable

He got offered star wars and ditched star trek to do it. He's a life long star wars fan and was always going to prioritize that if it came up.
 
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