Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

[coercitiv]

Even with a CPU of 100Ghz I don't think there is 30% left to rise to 100% GPU performance.

I'll take a 10Ghz CPU with a 20mns latency memory subsystem please. Thank you!

PS: Kedas kindly messaged me to change the typo from "ms" to "ns". We wouldn't want memory with higher latency than some LCD screens

 

[cortexa99]

1.it seems that there's no SKUs like x600, x700(5600,5700), for retail. Maybe we would see these SKUs at OEM. (But 5600x,5700x still exist?)
2.No X670 or B650 this round, this is already known and easy to guesstimate

 

[kurosaki]

You are giving the CPU too much credit for your graphics speed.
Even with a CPU of 100Ghz I don't think there is 30% left to rise to 100% GPU performance.

I'll take it you don't play in 720p that often?

 

[lightmanek]

You are giving the CPU too much credit for your graphics speed.
Even with a CPU of 100Ghz I don't think there is 30% left to rise to 100% GPU performance.

I had in mind specific titles where it would be easy as very ST focused games.

 

[DrMrLordX]

It reportedly just got another delay. You'll need to wait one Q more according to Digitimes via Hardwaretimes. I reckon Intel needs your diligent push for it to keep up its cadence more than AMD.

Hahaha another delay? It may as well not exist. Hmm okay I'll try! Wait, what is Intel's launch cadence now? Seems like "never" or "very late".

So again AMD started work on Zen 5 at least 5 years before it will come out.

That is pretty good news, assuming they can get Zen5 out by 2023 (if Zen4 is a 2022 CPU now, I have my doubts, but we will see). And AMD was clever enough to layer their development projects starting with Zen2.

As for the development cadence - AMD is a relatively small company. They don't have the manpower to push so many products in parallel, I guess.

Well they have had Zen2, 3, and 4 in development simultaneously, more-or-less. On a design level, I think they've managed their teams quite well.

TBH, I think they took this long because they saw the mobile market exploding in growth due to the pandemic and people buying up laptops. I still can't find laptops I want without being placed on a long waiting list or having an order canceled. I'm not sure what the 2021 outlook is in regards to COVID, but it isn't looking bright thus far.

That is also possible. Resources may have been directed towards extending the shelf life of Zen2 products to meet market demand outside of server/workstation/desktop (notably, consoles and mobile).

Tell you what, let's have a look at the packaging dates on Vermeer chips and see what's what. Also does anyone have some data from the lid of their July-launch Matisse chips from last year? I'd be interested in knowing how many of those were packaged in March/April 2019. My two Matisse chips have had their lids sullied so I can't read them. Not sure if I posted everything printed before I installed my first one.

 

[soresu]

Well they have had Zen2, 3, and 4 in development simultaneously, more-or-less. On a design level, I think they've managed their teams quite well.

Plus all the GPU uArch, console and PC SoC development.

Honestly the efficiency of AMD and ARM in managing it all is pretty staggering.

 

[moinmoin]

Honestly the efficiency of AMD and ARM in managing it all is pretty staggering.

Intel currently makes everybody else look like wizards.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Okay slightly off-topic, but here was the lid from my original Matisse before I lapped it (and ruined it hahah)

100-000000023
BF 19235UT
9HM8381S90360
Diffused in USA
Diffused in Taiwan
Made in China

That's week 23 of 2019. June? Later than I thought! Will be interesting to see the packaging dates for Vermeer chips.

 

[Kedas]

I'll take it you don't play in 720p that often?

'720p' is that some game I never heard of it.

 

[Kedas]

If they do a gaming benchmark compare do you think they will be using an big navi without listed spec to compare zen3 with intel?

 

[soresu]

If they do a gaming benchmark compare do you think they will be using an big navi without listed spec to compare zen3 with intel?

Depends how rough their drivers for RDNA2 are at this point.

They didn't schedule the RDNA2 date nearly 3 weeks after Zen3 for kicks I think.

 

[eek2121]

I'll take it you don't play in 720p that often?

I don’t know about him, but I haven’t played in 720P in a loooong time. Low resolution gaming should be a Intel meme at this point (360P 4 l1fe!!!111). 1440p is the sweet spot, and I personally game at 4K (since 2017).

 

[eek2121]

Depends how rough their drivers for RDNA2 are at this point.

They didn't schedule the RDNA2 date nearly 3 weeks after Zen3 for kicks I think.

No, they scheduled it so that NVIDIA would be out of the news cycle. They had no idea NVIDIA would botch the launch.

 

[Martimus]

No, they scheduled it so that NVIDIA would be out of the news cycle. They had no idea NVIDIA would botch the launch.

nVidia rescheduled their 3070 launch so that reviewers wouldn't have time to cover the AMD event in detail since they will need to be testing the 3070 for their reviews. It is a pretty clever strategy. It manages to minimize the AMD reveal by reducing the initial coverage, and then replacing it in the news the very next day.

 

[eek2121]

nVidia rescheduled their 3070 launch so that reviewers wouldn't have time to cover the AMD event in detail since they will need to be testing the 3070 for their reviews. It is a pretty clever strategy. It manages to minimize the AMD reveal by reducing the initial coverage, and then replacing it in the news the very next day.

This is the CPU forum, but i will have to say I disagree. AMD’s “launch” is in mid-November. NVIDIA only delayed due to supply issues.

 

[Martimus]

This is the CPU forum, but i will have to say I disagree. AMD’s “launch” is in mid-November. NVIDIA only delayed due to supply issues.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was in the wrong thread. I think the supply issue is a part of it, but the timing is most definitely a case of killing 2 birds with 1 stone. It helps their supply while also hurting their prime competitor.

 

[Mopetar]

I'll take it you don't play in 720p that often?

Who wants that newfangled widescreen crap that just bottlenecks the GPU when you can run your games at 240p as God and King intended?

Then you can play them on the same television set your grandfather used. I'm pretty sure he never had to worry about backlight bleeds either!

 

[yeshua]

The same node as Zen 2.

 

[Panino Manino]

By the way, AMD promised no numbers and they could lie, but anyone dares to think that everything went better than expected again (with all these changes to the caches)? With the actual chip surpassing AMD initial expectations of performance?
Could the lightning strike again?

19% IPC!
The lighting striked again!

 

[Panino Manino]

 

[yeshua]

 

[Kedas]

I told you 30% is too much, it's 26% in games WTF!

 

[Panino Manino]

But the clocks are disappointing, only 100MHz?
Surely we can expect a refresh next year, right?

 

[IntelUser2000]

But the clocks are disappointing, only 100MHz?
Surely we can expect a refresh next year, right?

4.8GHz with higher perf/clock is sane compared to 5.3GHz.

 

[Panino Manino]

It's just my impression or... is Zen 3 "conservative"?
Instead of making big changes just makes changes to improve the weak latencies, for games? With the real big changes coming with Zen 4?