Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

[Panino Manino]

How is a 20% perf/clock improvement "conservative"?

I mean, they chanced the CCX to be 8 cores and the caches.
They gave us little actual details. Makes me think that in actually nothing much was changed except what they could change to make games run faster. The biggest gains seems to be on games, for example, the nT rendering benchmarks improved little in comparison.

 

[thigobr]

Papermaster said the core has a bunch of changes other than the caches...
More branch prediction bandwidth
Wider exectuion capabilites
Increased loads and store vs Zen2

I am pleased with the results! Now I just wish they don't stop and bring this kind of improvements from Zen 4 (which is confirmed now 5nm)

 

[lightmanek]

I was close with my prediction of 30% gaming uplift and 15% Igeneral IPC.

Amazing performance and even better energy efficiency. This should mean higher average clocks under full load.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

I think this was gaming hype to drive home the across the board win. They already had the crown in pretty much everything else so a presentation on better than the prior best aimed at consumers you already locked up isn't exactly a hype train.

 

[IntelUser2000]

The biggest gains seems to be on games, for example, the nT rendering benchmarks improved little in comparison.

Again, its the opposite. It's very impressive. This is a gain on top of the best the PC world has to offer.

For games they had more to do to catch up hence the bigger gains.

 

[yeshua]

Let me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my buttocks. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

 

[nicalandia]

How is a 20% perf/clock improvement "conservative"?

That was amazing.. I almost crap my pats(actually I did a little bit)

 

[soresu]

Zen 4 (which is confirmed now 5nm)

It was already confirmed 5nm in the last presentation they listed it in.

A subsequent piece of news from TSMC intimated that this 5nm process node was N5P specifically, can't remember where.

 

[Markfw]

And big surprise, NO SMT4 ! (not really)

 

[nicalandia]

It's just my impression or... is Zen 3 "conservative"?
Instead of making big changes just makes changes to improve the weak latencies, for games? With the real big changes coming with Zen 4?

Rendering and Cinebench are not games and they still see near 20% IPC gains. What are you talking about

 

[inf64]

Impressive across the board. Now with absolute best IPC and almost hitting 5Ghz with ST Turbo, AMD is the go to choice for poorly threaded workloads as well. Golden Cove needs to arrive yesterday.

 

[soresu]

Customers first, my buttocks. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

A $50 uptick in uncertain economic times is not unheard of, I can live with another £50 for 5950X over 3950X for that 19% IPC uptick, makes the upgrade from my 1700 that much sweeter.

 

[gk1951]

My custom water cooled (Optimus wb) MSI X570 3900x is now ready to welcome into the family "Big Brother" - 5950X!

 

[soresu]

With the real big changes coming with Zen 4?

I'd certainly expect another doubling of SIMD for Zen4 whether they add support for AVX512 or not.

 

[gk1951]

Zen 4 will likely be a new socket.

 

[soresu]

And big surprise, NO SMT4 ! (not really)

Speak not of the demon!!

 

[Antey]

not in 5nm? i believed in you nosta! also no smt4? oops.

 

[mikk]

Based on the Cinebench 1T score, Zen 3 has a 5% higher IPC than Willow Cove at 4.8 Ghz....in Cinebench at least. The game comparison with 10900k isn't clear....I wonder if it was bottlenecked by the GPU, beside Counterstrike and League of Legends the improvement over 10900K is really small. With DDR4-3200 10900K would easily match or beat this apart from Counterstrike and League of Legends. This is still a concern.

 

[Markfw]

So when do you think we will see independent benchmarks ? Like a week from now?

 

[nicalandia]

Based on the Cinebench 1T score, Zen 3 has a 5% higher IPC than Willow Cove at 4.8 Ghz....in Cinebench at least.

It's higher than that(8% IPC) At 4.8 it scores 640(5950X) Tiger Lake at 4.8 is 595 and you will not see 16C/32T Willo Cove Desktop CPUs so there is that

 

[HurleyBird]

It's higher than that(8% IPC) At 4.8 it scores 640(5950X) Tiger Lake at 4.8 is 595 and you will not see 16C/32T Willo Cove Desktop CPUs so there is that

5950X is 4.9 GHz. Of course, the question is if Zen 3 is actually hitting its max boost clocks over the entire run. Zen 2 didn't after all.

 

[Kedas]

I'm really looking forward to the hardware unboxed FPS compare graph intel vs AMD

 

[mikk]

It's much higher than that. At 4.8 it scores 640(5950X) Tiger Lake at 4.8 is 595

It scores 631 points at 4.8 Ghz, it's a 5% difference. A desktop system has a small IPC advantage because of much better RAM latencies. A desktop CPU is faster than a notebook CPU at the same clock speed.

 

[nicalandia]

It scores 631 points at 4.8 Ghz, it's a 5% difference. A desktop system has a small IPC advantage because of much better RAM latencies. A desktop CPU is faster than a notebook CPU at the same clock speed.

With all that being said.. Good luck finding a 16C/32T Willow Cove based Desktop CPU. Zen3 Laying waste to Intel Desktop CPU for the next two years

 

[IntelUser2000]

It's higher than that(8% IPC) At 4.8 it scores 640(5950X) Tiger Lake at 4.8 is 595 and you will not see 16C/32T Willo Cove Desktop CPUs so there is that

Cinebench doesn't stress the memory subsystem a lot, though a good indicator of core performance.

Icelake is 20% faster than 4700U in SpecInt 2017 1T for example.