Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

[kage69]

Jerry Nadler told Barr to shove it.

Congress gets an unredacted version before anyone else, your original deadline stands, tough shit. Nice.

I'd say if the likes of Nadler and Schiff read it and say there is no problem, then there is no problem. Otherwise, Trump is screwed and several of his relatives are screwed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jerry Nadler told Barr to shove it.

Congress gets an unredacted version before anyone else, your original deadline stands, tough shit. Nice.

I'd say if the likes of Nadler and Schiff read it and say there is no problem, then there is no problem. Otherwise, Trump is screwed and several of his relatives are screwed.

Barr may be entirely comfortable forcing a Constitutional crisis, figuring that the SCOTUS will take Trump's side in it. Even if they don't the Court is powerless to enforce their ruling. Meanwhile, he controls the evidence & the story line entirely.

 

[kage69]

Barr may be entirely comfortable forcing a Constitutional crisis, figuring that the SCOTUS will take Trump's side in it. Even if they don't the Court is powerless to enforce their ruling. Meanwhile, he controls the evidence & the story line entirely.

He may be, I agree, I just don't think he'll ultimately have much luck arguing against the principle of 'Nemo judex in causa sua' in the USSC. They're tainted by partisan corruption, true, but I think/hope there are some hurdles too high to clear. Hoping this is one of them. Trump seems to believe he is completely exonerated and has nothing to hide, total disclosure shouldn't be an issue then. I say put him in a room with Pelosi and Schumer again. Let's see some of that tremendous deal making prowess play for the camera one more time.

This is America where we have checks and balances, such as they are. Dems should be hammering home the point "No exoneration without full Congressional review"

 

[cytg111]

Don't forget Mueller tossed his ass off the Russia investigation specifically because of the texts. The guys a piece of shit and it's no surprise the Internets leading fucktards are defending him.

Case closed.

Gaping to release the last mol of gas I see...

 

[soulcougher73]

Barr may be entirely comfortable forcing a Constitutional crisis, figuring that the SCOTUS will take Trump's side in it. Even if they don't the Court is powerless to enforce their ruling. Meanwhile, he controls the evidence & the story line entirely.

Wasnt our system supposed to be set up to not allow a King (one man) to rule? This sounds awful like kingly powers. "Ill allow you to see the evidence i want you to see regarding the criminal investigation against me" WTF is this shit.

 

[kage69]

Gaping to release the last mol of gas I see...

Rim Job is just bitter the vast majority of Americans aren't swallowing the corruption like he is. The "total exoneration" only seems to work on the Fox crowd, shocking I know. Everyone else understands what a conflict of interest is and how it applies, also that Congress is the oversight for the Executive.

I'd call him a one trick pony, but a pile of standard horseshit does not a pony make.

 

[kage69]

Wasnt our system supposed to be set up to not allow a King (one man) to rule? This sounds awful like kingly powers. "Ill allow you to see the evidence i want you to see regarding the criminal investigation against me" WTF is this shit.

Yes.

Problem is the republicans and their "unitary executive" belief coming into contact with a conman/fraud with no shame and a mountain of impending legal problems.

 

[sportage]

So..... AG Barr will release the actual report?
What, 5 pages vs 4, taking into account the "redactions".
Seriously.... we all know Barr's release will include A SHIT LOAD of redactions.
The only difference between Barr's 4 pager and his actual release will be Donald Trump's whitehorse address.
If doubled spaced, there you have it. 5 pages.

 

[trenchfoot]

So..... AG Barr will release the actual report?
What, 5 pages vs 4, taking into account the "redactions".
Seriously.... we all know Barr's release will include A SHIT LOAD of redactions.
The only difference between Barr's 4 pager and his actual release will be Donald Trump's whitehorse address.
If doubled spaced, there you have it. 5 pages.

Methinks Barr will redact the report in such a way so as to confirm that his initial 4 page letter that partially gets Trump off the hook was spot on to begin with.

If he doesn't, he's going to have do a whole lot more fancy backpedaling than he's already had to do.

 

[IJTSSG]

Rim Job is just bitter the vast majority of Americans aren't swallowing the corruption like he is. The "total exoneration" only seems to work on the Fox crowd, shocking I know. Everyone else understands what a conflict of interest is and how it applies, also that Congress is the oversight for the Executive.

I'd call him a one trick pony, but a pile of standard horseshit does not a pony make.

What is it that you and the idiot you quoted are babbling about now? Gaping? Mol? Total exoneration? What? Do either of you speak English?

The only tricks you should be worried about are the ones your old lady is pulling down at the local glory hole. I know, I know she's married to a bitch loser who gets nauseous when a member of the presidents staff resigns but you should at least try to do better. Maybe then you'd be able to buy your kids something besides wooden sticks for Christmas. Doubtful but maybe.

 

[fskimospy]

What is it that you and the idiot you quoted are babbling about now? Gaping? Mol? Total exoneration? What? Do either of you speak English?

The only tricks you should be worried about are the ones your old lady is pulling down at the local glory hole. I know, I know she's married to a bitch loser who gets nauseous when a member of the presidents staff resigns but you should at least try to do better. Maybe then you'd be able to buy your kids something besides wooden sticks for Christmas. Doubtful but maybe.

All these rage stroke posts just make me laugh and think of this:

 

[ch33zw1z]

What is it that you and the idiot you quoted are babbling about now? Gaping? Mol? Total exoneration? What? Do either of you speak English?

The only tricks you should be worried about are the ones your old lady is pulling down at the local glory hole. I know, I know she's married to a bitch loser who gets nauseous when a member of the presidents staff resigns but you should at least try to do better. Maybe then you'd be able to buy your kids something besides wooden sticks for Christmas. Doubtful but maybe.

Look at how vile this leftist is.

 

[Bitek]

New poll numbers are coming out showing no bump in approval ratings for Trump, as well as a strong majority DON'T think Trump has been cleared with Barr's memo.

This is not over by a long shot.

 

[brandonbull]

Devin Nunes calls for criminal investigations of the DOJ and FBI.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-...-investigation

Rand Paul calls for investigation of Barack Obama.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...stigate-obama?

Rand Paul also says John Brennan attempted a coup against Individual 1
https://www.newsweek.com/rand-paul-s...rennan-1378437

Lol!...It's a case of accusing your opponent of what you yourself are doing....

Says the party of Russian collusion.

 

[outriding]

Says the party of Russian collusion.

Source?

 

[fskimospy]

Source?

He has repeatedly tried to argue that the Clinton campaign paying Christipher Steele to compile opposition research about Trump is the same thing (or worse!) as Trump's son, son in law, and campaign manager meeting with representatives of the Russian government to obtain illegal assistance from them.

This is because he's either lying or a moron.

 

[Jhhnn]

Methinks Barr will redact the report in such a way so as to confirm that his initial 4 page letter that partially gets Trump off the hook was spot on to begin with.

If he doesn't, he's going to have do a whole lot more fancy backpedaling than he's already had to do.

I don't think he can get away with much bullshit, nor will he try. There are too many high integrity people involved who will testify truthfully to Congress if called upon to do so. Over a longer time frame, I also doubt he'll be able to redact the Congressional version much at all.

 

[outriding]

He has repeatedly tried to argue that the Clinton campaign paying Christipher Steele to compile opposition research about Trump is the same thing (or worse!) as Trump's son, son in law, and campaign manager meeting with representatives of the Russian government to obtain illegal assistance from them.

This is because he's either lying or a moron.

Ohh i know..

He is a little of A and a little of B

or more accurately.. a lot of A and a lot of b

 

[trenchfoot]

I don't think he can get away with much bullshit, nor will he try. There are too many high integrity people involved who will testify truthfully to Congress if called upon to do so. Over a longer time frame, I also doubt he'll be able to redact the Congressional version much at all.

I wonder though if the House was still in possession of the Repubs, would Barr have gotten a lot more "courageous" in his attempts at protecting Trump from his just due.

Looking back at how the Repubs totally shirked their duty as a check on Trump's disdain for and trampling of the rule of law, if given even the slightest opportunity, they'd get to Barr, of whom is already primed to give Trump the benefit of doubt in order to protect both he and Trump from the consequences of corrupting the investigation's findings.

The Repubs have shown how desperate they are toward getting Trump off the hook and are more than willing to smear themselves in the court of public opinion (like they did with humiliating themselves in their attempts at repealing the ACA) in order to "exonerate" Trump.

All told though, it looks like a close call in favor of what you mentioned given the Repub's willingness to go as low as they have to in order to save Trump and their seats in 2020.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder though if the House was still in possession of the Repubs, would Barr have gotten a lot more "courageous" in his attempts at protecting Trump from his just due.

Looking back at how the Repubs totally shirked their duty as a check on Trump's disdain for and trampling of the rule of law, if given even the slightest opportunity, they'd get to Barr, of whom is already primed to give Trump the benefit of doubt in order to protect both he and Trump from the consequences of corrupting the investigation's findings.

The Repubs have shown how desperate they are toward getting Trump off the hook and are more than willing to smear themselves in the court of public opinion (like they did with humiliating themselves in their attempts at repealing the ACA) in order to "exonerate" Trump.

All told though, it looks like a close call in favor of what you mentioned given the Repub's willingness to go as low as they have to in order to save Trump and their seats in 2020.

It was much worse than simply shirking their constitutional duties, people like Devin Nunes actively engaged in attempts to deceive the public on multiple occasions. First when he laundered the misleading lies about supposed inappropriate surveillance of the Trump campaign by Obama and then second when he made his infamous memo that turned out to be filled with lies and misrepresentations.

It's really important to remember that when Republicans had control of the House SCI they used that power to actively, knowingly, and falsely undermine the public trust in federal intelligence agencies and law enforcement in order to protect Trump from being held accountable. In a just world Nunes should be in prison.

 

[blankslate]

I know more people bought into collusion than there were people urging caution to wait and see what was in the report.

Barr used a quote in his summary from the report...
specifically

"[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

found here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html

I'm sure that people notice in the quote that the T is bracketed which probably means it's the second part of a statement whose first part is probably unflattering to Trump.
Maybe the whole sentence goes something like

Despite President Trump saying highly suspicious things about Putin and Russia and his associates being very friendly to Russia T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

We also know that Barr took said that Mueller investigation was rather agnostic on the Collusion Charges.
So we know the report didn't clear Trump on "obstruction of justice"

Get the report out to the public in as complete a form as we can and focus on Trump's other crimes such as

• Emoluments Clause Violations
• Fraud engaged in while President in relation to Hush Money Payments
• Trumps material support to Saudi Arabia who are committing war crimes in Yemen
• and others

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[Jhhnn]

I wonder though if the House was still in possession of the Repubs, would Barr have gotten a lot more "courageous" in his attempts at protecting Trump from his just due.

Well, yeh, of course, but that's not the reality Barr faces. The truth in what you're saying is reflected in past performance, like the Nunes memo & his faux unmasking scandal.

Truth isn't truth in Republican land & hasn't been for a very long time.

 

[fskimospy]

I know more people bought into collusion than there were people urging caution to wait and see what was in the report.

Barr used a quote in his summary from the report...
specifically

found here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html

I'm sure that people notice in the quote that the T is bracketed which probably means it's the second part of a statement whose first part is probably unflattering to Trump.
Maybe the whole sentence goes something like


We also know that Barr took said that Mueller investigation was rather agnostic on the Collusion Charges.
So we know the report didn't clear Trump on "obstruction of justice"

Get the report out to the public in as complete a form as we can and focus on Trump's other crimes such as

• Emoluments Clause Violations
• Fraud engaged in while President in relation to Hush Money Payments
• Trumps material support to Saudi Arabia who are committing war crimes in Yemen
• and others

Personally, I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that Barr's statement is about whether or not Mueller was able to establish sufficient evidence to sustain a criminal indictment/conviction of conspiracy with the Russians to influence the election/hack the DNC/whatever. There's lots and lots of behavior in between 'nothing' and 'criminal indictment' that people would likely view as collusion with the Russians.

I strongly suspect there will be considerable information in that middle ground in Mueller's report. You never know though, which is why the public needs to see as much of it as possible and why Congress needs to see all of it.

 

[kage69]

Look at how vile this leftist is.

I think I hit a nerve over Rim Job's occupation, just look at that creativity at work. Haha.

Did someone just work a double, or is he just pissed that Donnie doesn't get to be his own judge? Maybe both?

Must suck to know the only thing keeping your kind in power is warped elections and 'party before country.' I'd probably be bitter too if I were a banana republican.

 

[blankslate]

Personally, I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that Barr's statement is about whether or not Mueller was able to establish sufficient evidence to sustain a criminal indictment/conviction of conspiracy with the Russians to influence the election/hack the DNC/whatever. There's lots and lots of behavior in between 'nothing' and 'criminal indictment' that people would likely view as collusion with the Russians.

I strongly suspect there will be considerable information in that middle ground in Mueller's report. You never know though, which is why the public needs to see as much of it as possible and why Congress needs to see all of it.

I agree release the report... my concern is that people who don't follow politics very much only have heard of the talk about collusion and remember my hypothesis about the quoted sentence being a fragment of a larger sentence.

Yes it is possible that leads from the released report may eventually lead to a breakthrough on a conspiracy charge.

However, Trump allegedly co-operating with Russia to subvert the U.S. election hasn't been established and you can see the disappointment in some news outlets who have focused so much on collusion that they (in my opinion) gave scant little time to crimes I listed before.
emoluments clause violations and fraud being among them.

This is the possible harm that this might have done...
Since most people probably don't know the details of the other crimes they'll just give a cursory glance to collusion not found and shift their opinions to Trump was the victim of a witch hunt. While if maybe even just 25% of the time spent on going over every small detail of the Mueller Investigation with bated breath was spent on Trump's other crimes then people would be more aware and Trump and his allies would be less able to distract the public with "No Collusion!"

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