Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

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kage69

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Personally, I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that Barr's statement is about whether or not Mueller was able to establish sufficient evidence to sustain a criminal indictment/conviction of conspiracy with the Russians to influence the election/hack the DNC/whatever. There's lots and lots of behavior in between 'nothing' and 'criminal indictment' that people would likely view as collusion with the Russians.

I strongly suspect there will be considerable information in that middle ground in Mueller's report. You never know though, which is why the public needs to see as much of it as possible and why Congress needs to see all of it.

This.

Trump's enablers rightly see themselves before a precipice of public opinion. Already worried over more than 2/3rds of the country not believing the summary changes much, they are hammering on why people shouldn't care about the ethics involved now. Now I'm hearing republicans distinguish between accomplice and unwitting accomplice. Pretty amazing stuff really, that this is where republicans find themselves today. Reagan's corpse is spinning so much it could generate wattage for a small NE town.

Hoping this is where that wave for 2020 really picks up momentum. I don't want Trump to just lose, I want him to be crushed like the worthless insect he is. Then SDNY can eat the remains. If Obama had 1% of this Trump level stink on him the republicans would be demanding a military tribunal and subsequent firing squad.

For the sake of this country I hope Dems take Senate and WH, and I say that as someone who abhores one party rule. The GOP had it's chance to stand up. Instead it choose to sit down and shit it's pants.
 
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TheVrolok

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Personally, I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that Barr's statement is about whether or not Mueller was able to establish sufficient evidence to sustain a criminal indictment/conviction of conspiracy with the Russians to influence the election/hack the DNC/whatever. There's lots and lots of behavior in between 'nothing' and 'criminal indictment' that people would likely view as collusion with the Russians.

I strongly suspect there will be considerable information in that middle ground in Mueller's report. You never know though, which is why the public needs to see as much of it as possible and why Congress needs to see all of it.

Not to mention if the governing idea is that a sitting president can not be indicted, then it would be inappropriate for Mueller to draw a conclusion anyway. Mueller may very well have personally concluded that he did obstruct justice. Viewing Barr's letter as exoneration is absurd. That said, if the Mueller report is released and does, in fact, say this - the Trump loyalists will explode with more "derp state" non-sense.

Edit: Listening to Dan Abrams' show on SiriusXM and he said that his suspicion is the above almost verbatim.
 
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The House Judiciary Committee is set to hold a hearing Wednesday for markup on a resolution authorizing subpoenas related to special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe.


hmmm, more whinging, oh man rep. Collins is cracking me up...
 
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The House Judiciary Committee is set to hold a hearing Wednesday for markup on a resolution authorizing subpoenas related to special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe.


hmmm
Good. Don't relent on the pressure. R's have already tried once to take the air out of it and failed.
 
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kage69

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Subpoenas authorized. Nadler ain't playing around

Trump's still got a few toes left and plenty of ammo. Time to close the border? Mr. All Mouth No Brains has once again walked back his talk. Nevermind that public release of the report I swear totally exonerates me! Just kidding!

I think we're going to see another tantrum here shortly. Orange baby gonna need a fresh diaper.
 
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jackstar7

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Well this is awkward:
Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed

NYTimes.com said:
WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
 

jackstar7

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If true, this is the first actual leak from the Mueller team. This has got to be a Washington record.
Sounds like it could be third-hand info at this point, but given how NYT embraced the narrative of Barr's letter, it doesn't seem like they would report this if they didn't trust the sources.