Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

[UNCjigga]

IMO no one should be surprised by this. The Mueller investigation was always a sham. Of course the Republicans investigated themselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.. except for all the indictments and guilty pleas from low-level patsies. But otherwise, the very purpose and goal of the investigation was always to ensure that the President was exonerated.

I don't believe that for a minute. That very well might be Barr's purpose with the letter, but I don't think he's that type of AG. And I highly doubt Mueller would let any high crimes slide. The devil's going to be in the details buried in the actual report, not some 4 page summary letter thrown together in 48 hours.

Let me put it another way. If Barr was covering up for the President, and Mueller's report indicates that crimes were committed by Trump or the campaign, then someone on Mueller's team will leak it to the press within 48 hours. If Mueller's report really does exonerate the President and his campaign team, then there should be no reason to block release of the full report. Barr is already on record as saying that some Grand Jury testimony will not be released with the report, and he's working with Mueller to remove some of those findings (i.e. that Grand Jury testimony can include a lot of things provided by Flynn and other cooperators that weren't charged by Mueller but could be referred to other prosecutors.)

 

[kage69]

IMO no one should be surprised by this. The Mueller investigation was always a sham. Of course the Republicans investigated themselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.. except for all the indictments and guilty pleas from low-level patsies. But otherwise, the very purpose and goal of the investigation was always to ensure that the President was exonerated.

I'll admit to being a little surprised. This wasn't the complete joke of an investigation they did for Boof Kavanaugh during that whole clusterfuck. Mueller has a confidence inspiring record, a great team, but now I'm half jokingly wondering if he has a family member tied up and gagged in a Russian safe house somewhere.

I suppose I'd have an easier time believing the initial news if Trump wasn't a lying asshole who takes Russian money, someone who pulls a Helsinki.

What does Mueller think of Barr's letter I wonder.

 

[LTC8K6]

IIRC, Barr is consulting with Mueller on what to release.

 

[kage69]

Well, several investigations of Trump are ongoing. Trump isn't clear of those yet.

Good point, one everyone should keep in mind.

 

[VRAMdemon]

One thing with only having Barr's "no evidence" intepretation of the report being -- this should make it much easier for the Democrats to make the case that the entire "nothingburger" Mueller report must be made public. It will be awfully hard for the Republicans to (logically) say that it completely exonerates him but still must be kept secret. I'm sure they'll try, but hopefully most Americans will see this as bullshit and demand to see the full report.

 

[kage69]

IIRC, Barr is consulting with Mueller on what to release.

Link? I hope so.

This is the admin that put Scott Pruitt in charge of the EPA, DeVos at Education.

I don't trust solo annotations of Trump appointees I guess.

 

[sportage]

Well, standing back and considering everything i.e. how and why Donald Trump got to where he is in the first place, one must remember that Hillary Clinton WAS a very flawed candidate.
Hillary needed a lot more support if she was to overcome not only with the popular vote as she did, but with the electoral college as well.
Regardless of Russia, Hillary was terribly flawed.
I know this first hand....
A lot of my liberal friends and independent friends & family just could not bring themselves to vote Hillary in 2016.
And that shocked me a lot, considering the alternative.

Yes, many that voted Obama had rather vote Donald Trump than stoop so low as to vote Hillary Clinton.
THAT is a fact many pro Hillary democrats still can not grasp.
As flawed as Hillary was, never did they think Hillary could lose to someone like a Donald Trump.
BIG HUGE MISTAKE.

However, despair not people....
Good news!
Trump "can be" defeated, regardless of reports and investagations.
And in a way MUCH MORE humiliating for Donald than by reports or investigations.
AT THE BALLOT BOX.
True!
Loyalist to Donald Trump can do nothing to stop a massive Trump defeat by the voters.
THAT would hurt Donald Trump a lot more than Donald being taken away in handcuffs by the police for crimes against America.
The ballot box is the ultimate humiliator when it comes to Donald Trump. That hits Donald where it hurts most. Right in the old ego.
You could kick Trump in the crouch and not come close to inflecting the pain as compared to a swift kick to Donald's ego.

So there you have it. The game play.
Get out to the polls come the next election cycle and kick Donald Trump as hard as we can right in the ego.

 

[Maxima1]

Abramson is just doing what he always does. Spinning snippets to try to create a big issue that doesn’t exist. They did not just focus on the IRA link from what I’m seeing being read aloud from the letter.

Uh, did you read the same report? it's scant on this, mentioning briefly IRA and hackers.

 

[jameny5]

I don't give a damn what that report says. Donald Trump is a lying sack of excrement and a crook! That is all America needs to know. Do us a favor Justice Department - JAIL HIM NOW. There are 9 offenses that are impeacheable. Finding collusion is not the sole reason to charge him. Relax people - this rodeo show is not over yet. There are active ongoing investigations. The Trump propaganda machine can tamp down. The country is past divided. The end...

 

[Thebobo]

Typical Leftists (not 'liberal' in any accurate sense of the word). Trying to silence viewpoints they disagree with.

Oh well, looks like Anandtech political forum is an angry Leftist echo chamber full of conspiracy theorists.

Looked at yourself the one who responds with generalizing and name calling. And look at yourself for doing the exact same thing you are complaining about.

 

[LTC8K6]

Barr and Mueller are also good friends and have known each other for a long time.

 

[UNCjigga]

I don't give a damn what that report says. Donald Trump is a lying sack of excrement and a crook! That is all America needs to know. Do us a favor Justice Department - JAIL HIM NOW. There are 9 offenses that are impeacheable. Finding collusion is not the sole reason to charge him. Relax people - this rodeo show is not over yet. There are active ongoing investigations. The Trump propaganda machine can tamp down. The country is past divided. The end...

Sounds like a good job for We the People...vote him out and vote for lawmakers committed to beefing up FARA and putting tighter restrictions on foreign money buying influence.

 

[TheVrolok]

IMO no one should be surprised by this. The Mueller investigation was always a sham. Of course the Republicans investigated themselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.. except for all the indictments and guilty pleas from low-level patsies. But otherwise, the very purpose and goal of the investigation was always to ensure that the President was exonerated.

I suspect Mueller is just a traditional purist and does not believe a sitting president can be indicted and if he can't, it would be policy not to say much at all about the president. Present information without opinion and let it go the traditional route.. Turn it over to the politicians to discuss impeachment if deemed necessary.

 

[LTC8K6]

If we have a release of reports, I hope we get everything, all the way back to the beginning of this thing with the FISA stuff.

 

[TheVrolok]

If we have a release of reports, I hope we get everything, all the way back to the beginning of this thing with the FISA stuff.

If there is a significant portion that is redacted, will it cast any doubt on the claims of "complete exoneration?"

 

[Greenman]

Is there any word on when we'll get the highlights reel? Is Monday to soon or

I don't give a damn what that report says. Donald Trump is a lying sack of excrement and a crook! That is all America needs to know. Do us a favor Justice Department - JAIL HIM NOW. There are 9 offenses that are impeacheable. Finding collusion is not the sole reason to charge him. Relax people - this rodeo show is not over yet. There are active ongoing investigations. The Trump propaganda machine can tamp down. The country is past divided. The end...

While you might have had a fair trial and a conviction in your mind, the stupid people that don't know he's guilty would like a public trial and conviction before the sentencing.

 

[Thebobo]

Sorry if this has been already posted?

"Mueller did not find Trump campaign "conspired or coordinated" with Russia"

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/m...u-9PsdLtUIWlurr5ez77dgEI5dE11mPrs7YlnYc0avz_s

But that was Barrs conclusion on the report.

 

[Greenman]

Sorry if this has been already posted?

"Mueller did not find Trump campaign "conspired or coordinated" with Russia"

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/m...u-9PsdLtUIWlurr5ez77dgEI5dE11mPrs7YlnYc0avz_s

But that was Barrs conclusion on the report.

If it's an accurate summation, that pretty much ends the Russian connection story. Trump will do a couple victory laps and we can move on to the next investigation.

 

[LTC8K6]

If there is a significant portion that is redacted, will it cast any doubt on the claims of "complete exoneration?"

Let's wait and see what has been redacted.

But in general, redactions always cause doubt and speculation.

 

[jameny5]

Is there any word on when we'll get the highlights reel? Is Monday to soon or

While you might have had a fair trial and a conviction in your mind, the stupid people that don't know he's guilty would like a public trial and conviction before the sentencing.

You summed it up very well. Good analysis!

 

[jameny5]

I don't give a damn what that report says. Donald Trump is a lying sack of excrement and a crook! That is all America needs to know. Do us a favor Justice Department - JAIL HIM NOW. There are 9 offenses that are impeacheable. Finding collusion is not the sole reason to charge him. Relax people - this rodeo show is not over yet. There are active ongoing investigations. The Trump propaganda machine can tamp down. The country is past divided. The end...

Another poster said: Just a few more investigations coming. Take another breath Trumpster's.

Here's a list of the VERY active investigations throughout the United States that are targeting Trump and his criminal family and friends, that we know of, so far:

Southern District of New York
Eastern District of New York
Eastern District of Virginia
United States District of Collumbia
NYC District Attorney's Office
New York Attorney General
New Jersey Attorney General
Maryland Attorney General
DC Attorney General
United States Office of Special Counsel
FBI
CIA
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
House Judiciary Committee
House Oversight Committee
House Financial Services Committee
House Ways and Means Committee

So this is far from over with...

 

[Maxima1]

If it's an accurate summation, that pretty much ends the Russian connection story. Trump will do a couple victory laps and we can move on to the next investigation.

This part is strange and some get it. Rep Heck on CNN recently:

But it was one line in the Barr letter that Heck found curious: the claim that the Russian government didn’t conspire with the Trump campaign.

“Once I see his report, if that, taken within a broader context, is what he’s asserting, then I’m more than willing to acknowledge it,” Heck said. “This is a letter written by Attorney General Barr, selectively quoting that. I think it’s very curious as to why he said Russian government because as we know, oftentimes the way the Russian government, intelligence community operates is through cut-outs or people who don’t work specifically for the government but work on behalf of the Russian government. It just begs this question again as to the importance and necessity for the entire Mueller report to be revealed. It needs to be a transparent process.”

 

[Thebobo]

Also Barrs determined not mueller that there was no obstruction of justice. That's kinda bullshit imo.


Barr determined obstruction evidence "not sufficient" to establish Trump committed crime

While Mueller did not make a judgment about potential obstruction, Barr said the available evidence was insufficient to determine the president broke the law.

After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.

 

[balloonshark]

But how do we explain why did Trump continuously discredited the probe and Mueller? Why did he force Sessions to resign? Why was Comey fired? Why did he go out of his way to put people in positions of power that will protect him from the probe and its findings? Why does he surround himself with shady criminals many of which have connections to Russia? Why did he invite a Russian spy into the white house and leak sensitive info to him when he first took office? Why has he talked with Vlad without anyone else in the room on several occasions? Why has he went out of his way to help Russia and Vlad while weakening relationships with our allies? Etc.

I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck".

 

[zinfamous]

So it's OK to call me an asshole on this forum? Right back at you, ignorant fuckhead.

Nice, it is all becoming clear what a cesspool it is here.

And BTW the fat guy is Democratic political strategist Mark Penn.

didn't answer the question--do you like being lied to like this and repeating observable lies as truth?

lol--as if I care what political affiliation some fat dillhole labels themselves. If he's intentionally lying to you about plain, simple facts, then he's an asshole. If you willfully slurp up such obvious lies and repeat them, then you are also an asshole.

I don't make the rules, chump.