Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

[fskimospy]

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Exactly how stupid would a person have to be to believe that? Surely you’re not that dumb, right?

Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was literally already proven more than a year ago. It is utterly irrefutable.

 

[Maxima1]

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i love seeing the right gloat over the report no one has seen yet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1109458697359683585

https://twitter.com/x/status/1109441575275368448

 

[fskimospy]

Then why are Russian spies in jail? Why is the NRA in deep shit?

And a ton of other questions that need answering.

Will we get all the answers? Not under the current administration.

Then why did Trump’s own son state, in writing, that he was colluding with agents of the Russian government?

 

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[Starbuck1975]

Unfortunately the Republican party, with too few exceptions, and the Republican base have repeatedly demonstrated that they don't care. We've had grounds for impeachment via incompetence and corruption from almost day one and yet they've still stood with Trump despite that.

I'd love to see justice done via impeachment, but the reality is that one party has become so partisan that the president is effectively immune. In addition to that, even if a miracle happened and the Republicans acted based on the right thing to do rather than what would help their party, you'd end up in a situation where you get rid of Trump but give his enablers and supporters the opportunity to get away with distancing themselves from him and potentially avoiding the purge that's needed in 2020.

The Republican base in and of itself is not enough to carry an election. There is only one path forward for Trump, and that is to claim that the Mueller report exonerates him, and that all of this was nothing more than a sour grapes witch hunt. You are already starting to see him make that pivot. If the Democrats let Trump control the narrative, we know how this ends.

 

[fskimospy]

The Republican base in and of itself is not enough to carry an election. There is only one path forward for Trump, and that is to claim that the Mueller report exonerates him, and that all of this was nothing more than a sour grapes witch hunt. You are already starting to see him make that pivot. If the Democrats let Trump control the narrative, we know how this ends.

I mean we always knew he would do that regardless of the contents.

 

[dbr1]

Then why are Russian spies in jail? Why is the NRA in deep shit?

And a ton of other questions that need answering.

Will we get all the answers? Not under the current administration.

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[Greenman]

Stop it dude. The Democrats are not going to "go after" Mueller as in begin to trash him.

They'll issue a subpoena in an attempt to get at the underlying information of the case.

You don't think he'll be vilified if he finds no Russian collusion? A lot of people have been waiting for this bombshell for two years. They know beyond any reasonable doubt that Trump is guilty, they know he'll be impeached based on Mueller's report, and they've been talking about what a great american Mueller is. My guess is that if he doesn't sink Trump, he'll be the third most hated man in the US overnight.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't think he'll be vilified if he finds no Russian collusion? A lot of people have been waiting for this bombshell for two years. They know beyond any reasonable doubt that Trump is guilty, they know he'll be impeached based on Mueller's report, and they've been talking about what a great american Mueller is. My guess is that if he doesn't sink Trump, he'll be the third most hated man in the US overnight.

I do not think Mueller will be generally vilified by Democrats if he doesn’t find what they want, no. Some fringe people will say that of course, but the rank and file will not.

I absolutely think he will be vilified by conservatives if his report is damning towards Trump though, by all manner of conservatives.

Remember, liberals and conservatives are not alike.

 

[soundforbjt]

Then why did Trump’s own son state, in writing, that he was colluding with agents of the Russian government?

And how will Mueller ignore/rationalize this in his report? No charges means Jr's getting a pass.

 

[Indus]

I do not think Mueller will be generally vilified by Democrats if he doesn’t find what they want, no. Some fringe people will say that of course, but the rank and file will not.

I absolutely think he will be vilified by conservatives if his report is damning towards Trump though, by all manner of conservatives.

Remember, liberals and conservatives are not alike.

I am more interested in obstruction of justice.. namely no recommended indictments from feds due to pardon pressure?

 

[fskimospy]

And how will Mueller ignore/rationalize this in his report? No charges means Jr's getting a pass.

I’m not sure about that. I’ll be interested to see what the report says.

Regardless, collusion is not a crime, it’s various criminal statutes that we have to think about. There’s no doubt Trump Jr. colluded with Russia but Mueller may have decided that wasn’t a crime, specifically.

Anyone who says the Trump campaign didn’t collude is lying or an idiot though.

 

[soundforbjt]

I’m not sure about that. I’ll be interested to see what the report says.

Regardless, collusion is not a crime, it’s various criminal statutes that we have to think about. There’s no doubt Trump Jr. colluded with Russia but Mueller may have decided that wasn’t a crime, specifically.

Anyone who says the Trump campaign didn’t collude is lying or an idiot though.

Conspiracy is a crime and is exactly what Jr and Jared were doing.

 

[fskimospy]

Conspiracy is a crime and is exactly what Jr and Jared were doing.

I agree! It seems like there could be conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws there, but who knows? Will have to wait and see what it says.

 

[kage69]

Maybe Mueller is leaving Jared and Jr. for the counter intelligence investigation side of things?

Looking forward to seeing the nitty gritty, really hoping the republicans haven't been successful in their coverup attempts.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe Mueller is leaving Jared and Jr. for the counter intelligence investigation side of things?

Looking forward to seeing the nitty gritty, really hoping the republicans haven't been successful in their coverup attempts.

I’m not sure how much of the nitty gritty we will see, and if Jared and Don Jr. are still under investigation we probably won’t see much of them in this report.

 

[Greenman]

I do not think Mueller will be generally vilified by Democrats if he doesn’t find what they want, no. Some fringe people will say that of course, but the rank and file will not.

I absolutely think he will be vilified by conservatives if his report is damning towards Trump though, by all manner of conservatives.

Remember, liberals and conservatives are not alike.

Other than the far ends of the spectrum, I see them as being nearly identical in the way they see issues and problems.

 

[Denly]

Does the house investigators(or SDNY and others) have access to data Mueller had?
Do Congress have power to put charges on crime?
If all data point to Trump knew everything what can Congress do about it?

From what we knew I would hate Trump family and co get away with it. The USA need it, the world need it, the integrity of democracy need it.

 

[fskimospy]

Other than the far ends of the spectrum, I see them as being nearly identical in the way they see issues and problems.

That’s insane! You can’t really believe that.

The ‘both sides’ shit that exists today is one of the biggest problems we have because it enables the Republican Party to keep inhabiting crazy town.

The Democrats would never have nominated someone like Trump, for example. Nor would they turn a blind eye to his enormous corruption.

 

[Jhhnn]

I do not think Mueller will be generally vilified by Democrats if he doesn’t find what they want, no. Some fringe people will say that of course, but the rank and file will not.

I absolutely think he will be vilified by conservatives if his report is damning towards Trump though, by all manner of conservatives.

Remember, liberals and conservatives are not alike.

It's the usual "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty" routine. No matter how it turns out, I figure Mueller & his crew are high integrity people who made an honest go of it. Which is not to grant any hero status at all.

 

[dbr1]

Exactly how stupid would a person have to be to believe that? Surely you’re not that dumb, right?

Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was literally already proven more than a year ago. It is utterly irrefutable.

Really? Strong statement, particularly in light of no indictments for this by Mueller.

Can you post any proof of this?

 

[jmagg]

It's called checks and balances.

 

[fskimospy]

Really? Strong statement, particularly in light of no indictments for this by Mueller.

Can you post any proof of this?

‘I love it, especially later in the summer.’

It’s collusion in their own words, irrefutable.

 

[dbr1]

‘I love it, especially later in the summer.’

It’s collusion in their own words, irrefutable.

Huh?

You didn't provide any proof of anything. Waiting for it...

 

[kage69]

I’m not sure how much of the nitty gritty we will see, and if Jared and Don Jr. are still under investigation we probably won’t see much of them in this report.

That's what I'm thinking. Mueller's reputation doesn't lend me to think he's turning a blind eye there. I can't stop wondering just how much grit we'll get, also, what is Adam's Schiff's threshold here for getting froggy with subpeonas? How much is Trump going to try and edit these and future findings? People keep saying buckle up, it's so true, here be choppy uncharted waters.