Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to Attorney General Barr

[VRAMdemon]

Barr: Gosh, I am so, so sorry, everybody. Before I could read the report, my dog ate it!

1. Barr already shared it with Trump and his boyfriends McConnell and Graham.
2. Barr will issue a sanitized and whitewashed version.
3. Trump will use that to claim he's been exonerated and to demand that ALL his opponents be investigated.
4. The House investigation committees will demand to see the whole unredacted report.
5. Trump and his White House lackeys will either refuse, or ignore the demand..
6. Republican senators will say, "There is nothing new here, elections have consequences, and we're focused on fighting the real enemy, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez".

I think it's likely the report will not tell us much we don't already know. Mueller may have declined to prosecute solely because he accepts the DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted -- and that is the only reason why he did not indict. If that's true, then the evidence must be passed to Congress for a determination. This remains the only remedy DOJ recognizes for removing a president whose behavior is potentially breaking the law. It's still early days. We don't even know what the report says yet.

Whether or not Trump is proven to have cooperated with the Russians in their interference in our elections, the bottom line is that we have a POTUS who has seemingly done everything in his power to discredit the investigation of an attack on our country by our biggest foreign rival. And how colossally fucked up it is that Trump has made the whole thing about himself, when he is supposed to lead and protect the nation.

Most of the country has made up its minds about Trump one way or another. If the American peole want Trump gone, we'll have to make the case to voters that we can't afford another 4 years of this bozo in office.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Compared to the investigatory powers (now lapsed) that Ken Starr had re Clinton, Mueller was constrained in what he could investigate and report on. I think the really important shit is going to come out in the details that he reports to Congress, where he is under no such restraint.

Mueller will be under great restraints if what I've heard reported is correct. How the process works is that Mueller turns in the report to Barr who then would be compelled to turn the report in to Trump and his lawyers. They claim EP on everything they don't like, return the redacted report to Barr and that's what he and Mueller have to work with.

If Congress calls Barr or Mueller to testify then they can't discuss what Trump doesn't want them to know and that kills it.

But we are not yet done with this as the sealed reports are still in play and the SDNY is not constrained by a mandate. Russia isn't going to bring Trump down as Trump ultimately controls that, but instead his criminal behavior in business which may lead back to conspiracies with Russia as almost an afterthought. If Trump escapes on mob level criminal activity then the big safety net for justice is NY state, the honey badger of state AG's. Why? Because they don't give a fuck who you are, how much fame or fortune, or if you are God Emperor of Dune.

We'll see while 2020 grown nearer and the rope tightens.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I really hope we can see this in full... After all if this was just a nothingburger witch-hunt then there shouldn't be anything that needs to be redacted.

Then again, Trump lives and breathes off controversy. Might redact things just to keep the dogs barking even if it's overall meaningless.

 

[TheVrolok]

I really hope we can see this in full... After all if this was just a nothingburger witch-hunt then there shouldn't be anything that needs to be redacted.

Then again, Trump lives and breathes off controversy. Might redact things just to keep the dogs barking even if it's overall meaningless.

I would say almost a 0% chance we see it all because in reality it's a nothingburger.

 

[fskimospy]

I can already see everyone in P&N frothing at the mouth.

I'm excited to see how much of let down it is for everyone that thinks it's going to be some giant damning report.

I mean what is already publicly available is insanely, incredibly damning, agree?

 

[fskimospy]

I really hope we can see this in full... After all if this was just a nothingburger witch-hunt then there shouldn't be anything that needs to be redacted.

Then again, Trump lives and breathes off controversy. Might redact things just to keep the dogs barking even if it's overall meaningless.

We already know from publicly available information that Trump’s son conspired with a hostile foreign government to win the election.

It’s literally impossible for it to be a ‘witch hunt’. The only thing that’s happened here is conservatives attempting to say that if Trump himself wasn’t banging Putin in the bathroom then the report isn’t damning.

Seriously, just looking at the publicly available evidence isn’t it already many impeachable and/or criminal offenses?

 

[WelshBloke]

I mean what is already publicly available is insanely, incredibly damning, agree?

So much this! Any other leader in a first world nation would have been out on their arse for this. And I'm including Berlusconi here!

 

[Stryke1983]

I really hope we can see this in full... After all if this was just a nothingburger witch-hunt then there shouldn't be anything that needs to be redacted.

Then again, Trump lives and breathes off controversy. Might redact things just to keep the dogs barking even if it's overall meaningless.

The entire report could fall into a back hole tomorrow and we'd still know that multiple high-level members of the Trump campaign/administration had contacts with a hostile foreign power to influence the election and attempted to cover it up by lying to law enforcement and attempting to obstruct the investigation.

We also now know that Trump and high level members of his campaign/administration have business dealings with foreign powers (hostile and otherwise) that were not disclosed earlier, and in fact were covered up, despite the threat of those officials being compromised.

So how could it have been a witch hunt when the only questions we don't know answers to are the degree of criminality and exactly how much Trump himself knew compared to his campaign/administration?

 

[soundforbjt]

We already know from publicly available information that Trump’s son conspired with a hostile foreign government to win the election.

Yet Mueller didn't interview Jr Mint nor the Boy Blunder, Jared about the meeting.
The server in Trump Tower.
The meeting in the Seychelles.
Etc.
As I said in the Indictments thread, were going to be left with more questions than answers.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm confused about something. SDNY is a branch of the federal court system. Can't Trump just pardon everyone who may be brought before them?

If he loses in 2020 he will resign and pardon on the way out and then make Suckup Pence pardon him. If he wins 2020 he will do immediately after re-election.

 

[HomerJS]

I would say almost a 0% chance we see it all because in reality it's a nothingburger.

The number of convictions and indictments belies your statement

 

[Jhhnn]

Yet Mueller didn't interview Jr Mint nor the Boy Blunder, Jared about the meeting.
The server in Trump Tower.
The meeting in the Seychelles.
Etc.
As I said in the Indictments thread, were going to be left with more questions than answers.

We don't know who the Special Counsel has interviewed about what, other than what some claiming to have been interviewed have said & what's been revealed in various indictments. To their credit, Mueller & crew have run a very tight ship.

 

[fskimospy]

The entire report could fall into a back hole tomorrow and we'd still know that multiple high-level members of the Trump campaign/administration had contacts with a hostile foreign power to influence the election and attempted to cover it up by lying to law enforcement and attempting to obstruct the investigation.

We also now know that Trump and high level members of his campaign/administration have business dealings with foreign powers (hostile and otherwise) that were not disclosed earlier, and in fact were covered up, despite the threat of those officials being compromised.

So how could it have been a witch hunt when the only questions we don't know answers to are the degree of criminality and exactly how much Trump himself knew compared to his campaign/administration?

Yeah it’s weird how conservatives have tried to define down what would be considered a bad report here. The publicly known facts are already the single most damning indictment of a president in history.

What’s already known!!!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah it’s weird how conservatives have tried to define down what would be considered a bad report here. The publicly known facts are already the single most damning indictment of a president in history.

What’s already known!!!

If the facts are known and damning, then impeachment is the only logical next step.

 

[soundforbjt]

If the facts are known and damning, then impeachment is the only logical next step.

You wish ! Unless Republicans grow a spine, impeachment is dead in the water.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You wish ! Unless Republicans grow a spine, impeachment is dead in the water.

Democrats now have some strong and compelling voices in Congress who are able to easily trade jabs and go toe to toe with the GOP. I want to see Trump impeached and force the Republicans in the Senate rationalize aquitting him. Force them to defend that position instead of giving up because reasons.

 

[TheVrolok]

The number of convictions and indictments belies your statement

I think my statement has a problem with punctuation.

What I mean is that it's not a nothingburger, which means we won't see it all if seeing it all is predicated on it being a nothingburger as the post I quoted suggests.

 

[UberNeuman]

Democrats now have some strong and compelling voices in Congress who are able to easily trade jabs and go toe to toe with the GOP. I want to see Trump impeached and force the Republicans in the Senate rationalize aquitting him. Force them to defend that position instead of giving up because reasons.

Lol.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm confused about something. SDNY is a branch of the federal court system. Can't Trump just pardon everyone who may be brought before them?

If he loses in 2020 he will resign and pardon on the way out and then make Suckup Pence pardon him. If he wins 2020 he will do immediately after re-election.

Well Trump can pardon whomever he likes for federal law violations, but Barr himself put limits on consequences, For example he could pardon Stone right now but if done when there is an investigation which could potentially lead back to Trump that is by Barr's criteria obstruction of justice. There doesn't need to be an actual crime, just an investigation. Trump get's pardon happy then that is an acutal crime according to the DOJ and the SDNY can indict memo or no.

 

[Stryke1983]

Democrats now have some strong and compelling voices in Congress who are able to easily trade jabs and go toe to toe with the GOP. I want to see Trump impeached and force the Republicans in the Senate rationalize aquitting him. Force them to defend that position instead of giving up because reasons.

Unfortunately the Republican party, with too few exceptions, and the Republican base have repeatedly demonstrated that they don't care. We've had grounds for impeachment via incompetence and corruption from almost day one and yet they've still stood with Trump despite that.

I'd love to see justice done via impeachment, but the reality is that one party has become so partisan that the president is effectively immune. In addition to that, even if a miracle happened and the Republicans acted based on the right thing to do rather than what would help their party, you'd end up in a situation where you get rid of Trump but give his enablers and supporters the opportunity to get away with distancing themselves from him and potentially avoiding the purge that's needed in 2020.

 

[Jhhnn]

If the facts are known and damning, then impeachment is the only logical next step.

"Damning" isn't damning in the same way that truth isn't truth in Trumplandia.

 

[sportage]

Strange happenings about to take place.
For one, if the report fails to deliver then democrats will switch from Trump to going after Mueller.
The house has already said Mueller must testify in front of their committee.
Second, if the report fails to deliver then democrats will redirect all their hopes onto the southern district of New York.
And when that hope fizzles, redirect their hopes (for justice) on a lightening bolt hitting Donald Trump in the ass.
Third, and this is the weird part, people will pretend as to what "should have been" in the Mueller report.
People and as people I mean the media will pretend that Mueller knew stuff that he simply left out of his report.
So, what could that stuff be?
It doesn't matter. People will make it up as they go. It's wide open.
So, we have the physical Mueller report and then we have the peoples conspiracy report.
The report that assumes what Mueller has left out.
Whatever they want to to be.

But I don't really care what people may say or do. Of if the Mueller report ends up a huge fizzle.
I never had hopes on Mueller in the first place.
After all, Mueller is a republican.
And considering the crimes of Donald Trump and crimes of his family which we have both audio and video to support, Mueller took far too long to look for something right before his eyes.
That was a huge hint that Mueller had no intension of hurting Donald Trump nor hurting the Trump family.

No, I don't really care what people may say or do.
Just a long as whatever they do irritates the hell out of Donald Trump.
And for as long as possible.
The goal wasn't finding justice in this Mueller report, that was dumb for democrats to place any trust in.
The goal is to continue driving Donald Trump totally crazy, pounding that anti Trump drum beat day after day.
Exactly as republicans did to Bill Clinton and then to Barack Obama.
Eight full years from A to Z, in both cases.
Surely we can keep up that drum beat against Donald Trump. And just maybe after Donald builds his damn wall, maybe he will jump off it.

 

[HomerJS]

Stop it dude. The Democrats are not going to "go after" Mueller as in begin to trash him.

They'll issue a subpoena in an attempt to get at the underlying information of the case.

 

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[Indus]

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Then why are Russian spies in jail? Why is the NRA in deep shit?

And a ton of other questions that need answering.

Will we get all the answers? Not under the current administration.