South Korea/North Korea Engaged In Military Posturing

[Jhhnn]

North Korea's extreme isolation is an intentional product of their government, not a consequence of US/SK politics.

The Korean War ended over half a century ago. There probably isn't barely anyone in NK left alive who remembers it. Hell, even Vietnam is in a far better spot presently and that country got the crap kicked out of it by everyone from the French to the Chinese for most of the last century.

Comparisons to Vietnam are frivolous and inaccurate. First off, N Vietnam won the war, took over the largely intact infrastructure in the south. Vietnam has a tropical climate with a year-round growing season and very large amounts of arable land, while N Korea has a miserable cold climate with a very short growing season and a very small amount of arable land... Nobody freezes to death in Vietnam in the winter, either... it's hard not to in NKorea.

None of which is to defend the NKorean regime in the slightest. Just because their govt is willfully isolationist doesn't mean we should reinforce their actions with ones of our own.

Successive US govts have believed that sanctions and isolation could force the collapse of regimes in Korea, Cuba, and Iran, none of which has happened or is likely to ever happen because of that. Maybe it's time we quit believing in our own lies... quit trying to use those peoples' misfortunes to further our own domestic political agendas.

 

[TruePaige]

If only we let South Korea cut us a massive check and we just aimed bombers and missiles at all the strategic outposts and military bases of N. Korea.

We make money, South Korea gets rid of their enemy and can mop up on the ground, American lives don't have to be lost.

Win-Win scenario.

 

[Taejin]

funny to watch a bunch of non koreans talking about what SK should do about NK =P

Although I do think AzN is kinda crazy too but w/e

 

[Pocatello]

If only we let South Korea cut us a massive check and we just aimed bombers and missiles at all the strategic outposts and military bases of N. Korea.

We make money, South Korea gets rid of their enemy and can mop up on the ground, American lives don't have to be lost.

Win-Win scenario.

We'll bomb them back to the stone age, too bad they're already there. If the USAF could win wars for us, we wouldn't need a standing army. Most of the N. Korean artillery systems pointed at Seoul are hidden in man-made caves, you could take a few of them out, but there are thousands of them.

 

[TruePaige]

We'll bomb them back to the stone age, too bad they're already there. If the USAF could win wars for us, we wouldn't need a standing army. Most of the N. Korean artillery systems pointed at Seoul are hidden in man-made caves, you could take a few of them out, but there are thousands of them.

We could if we wanted to.

Station subs along the whole shoreline, have the available air troops patrol the border, have the sat teams monitor likely locations for hidden artillery.

While the positioning is beginning blow the ever loving daylights out of every major point in NK with medium to long range weaponry and cripple communications infrastructure.

This would demolish any NK military movements and minimize damage to Seoul and other SK targets.

That is how you do it without just smacking them to death with nuclear weapons.

Either way is not PC enough for the other world nations though, even though it would save SK from needless death and destruction and get NK off their back once and for all, as well as (in a non-nuclear scenario) creating a better life for all N. Koreans.

 

[Jhhnn]

funny to watch a bunch of non koreans talking about what SK should do about NK =P

Although I do think AzN is kinda crazy too but w/e

I'll agree with that. What the US needs to do is mostly STFU, Let our ROK allies deal with their northern cousins. The only message we need to send is that we won't tolerate aggression towards our ally. The mere presence of our troops in the ROK accomplishes that w/o any sort of additional fanfare.

It's a damned shame that former Admins, particularly the Bush Admin, used and abused the situation and our ROK friends to inflame sentiment here in the US, further their own craven domestic agenda.

 

[AzN]

The North Korean government causes the misery of the North Koreans. Their leaders only govern for to maintain the wealth of the rulers. NK is probably the worst hell hole on the entire planet in just about every respect. Sure a few other countries are more destitute but I don't think there is a more oppressive place left. This is not an opinion or a "view", this is a demonstrable fact.

Who put NK in this predicament? Oh that's right. US! Putting up sanctions for people to starve then blame NK for wanting sovereignty from the evil empire.

Maybe it's time for you to stop your sanctions and trade with NK. Through trade a relationship can build not threats. Have you actually tried to live as a minority in the states? It's quite oppressive if you didn't know.

Even the Chinese government really doesn't want anything to do with them anymore.

Are you the Chinese government?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Who put NK in this predicament? Oh that's right. US! Putting up sanctions for people to starve then blame NK for wanting sovereignty from the evil empire.

Maybe it's time for you to stop your sanctions and trade with NK. Through trade a relationship can build not threats. Have you actually tried to live as a minority in the states? It's quite oppressive if you didn't know.




Are you the Chinese government?

How about if NK actually honors their commitments instead of trying to blackmail the world.

Aid was sent to them based on their promises. After the aid arrived, the NK government renegaded on the promises.

The goal is to not destroy NK. The goal is for NK leadership to stop threatening SK and the world.

 

[AzN]

NK was a puppet regieme for many years to China. It was setup by China/Russia as a counter action to the US supremancy after WWII.
Korea was one country until WWII. At the end of WWII, the Soviets and Chinese controlled south to the 38th and the US team controlled north to the 38th.
In 1950, the North (Communist) attacked the South.
That dragged the US, UN and China into the conflict - both supporting their idealogical side.
In 1953 you had the stalemate.
Then China woke up 20-30 years ago and realized that they had to start intergrating with the rest of the world.
NK did not.

So who is the puppet. SK for having free elections and a vibrant economy or NK with a communistic economy and dictator ship.

You are typical for a young Korean that has had all the benefits of freedom; exposed to propaganda from the schools by people that have no concept of what the Korean War was about of what life is actually in the North.

Ask why NK will not open it's borders for the Korean people to cross without interference?

well not anymore. NK is sovereign nation. NK answers to no one but have relationships with surrounding countries like China. SK in other hand is controlled within. Our military can't immobilize without US dictations that's quite imperialistic.

Oh right SK has free elections with puppets that control nothing other than be leeches of the US. Give me a break. If Korea was democracy then why haven't the US left when more than 50% S. Koreans don't want you there?

I'm young but not that young. I'm old enough to know GI killed unarmed women and children during the Korean war. Stop your mass murdering and trying to give excuses. you are anything but a savior or nice.

 

[AzN]

funny to watch a bunch of non koreans talking about what SK should do about NK =P

That's what Americans do. They butt in everyone's business.

Although I do think AzN is kinda crazy too but w/e

You need to wise up 태진.

 

[AzN]

How about if NK actually honors their commitments instead of trying to blackmail the world.

Aid was sent to them based on their promises. After the aid arrived, the NK government renegaded on the promises.

How about you get rid of your WMD? How about your military get off our lands and stop seeding puppet officials? How about you stop telling other countries what to do? If you can do all that I will send your country AID. :/

The goal is to not destroy NK. The goal is for NK leadership to stop threatening SK and the world.

Don't be crazy. The only one threatening the world is US. Every other country is in their defensive posture.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How about if NK actually honors their commitments instead of trying to blackmail the world.

Aid was sent to them based on their promises. After the aid arrived, the NK government renegaded on the promises.

How about you get rid of your WMD? How about your military get off our lands and stop seeding puppet officials? How about you stop telling other countries what to do? If you can do all that I will send your country AID. :/

The goal is to not destroy NK. The goal is for NK leadership to stop threatening SK and the world.

Don't be crazy. The only one threatening the world is US. Every other country is in their defensive posture.

Have you actually reviewed the history of Korea from the end of WWII until now.

One Korea would be nice - NK does not want it. It would expose their flaws completely - see Germany.

Why is it when other countries are in trouble, they want the US to help them. Then they complain when help arrives.

The US has not attacked NK after helping to defend SK from the Chinese and NK attacks in 1950.

Any attacks since then have been from NK against SK.
NK has also sold missles that have been used against US allies.
NK has also supported the transfer of nuclear technology in violation of the NPT.
NK has also threatened to destroy any planes/ships when they are going to launch a test missile.They block out a time from of weeks to do so.
The big bad US will cancel launches if plalnes/ships stray into a launch area. They only block out hours.

You choose to not answer the questions that are posed to you and try to deflect. Why? Because to do so honestly will expose your fantasies about the benelovent NK government.

The facts do not support your ideals.

 

[K1052]

Comparisons to Vietnam are frivolous and inaccurate. First off, N Vietnam won the war, took over the largely intact infrastructure in the south. Vietnam has a tropical climate with a year-round growing season and very large amounts of arable land, while N Korea has a miserable cold climate with a very short growing season and a very small amount of arable land... Nobody freezes to death in Vietnam in the winter, either... it's hard not to in NKorea.

None of which is to defend the NKorean regime in the slightest. Just because their govt is willfully isolationist doesn't mean we should reinforce their actions with ones of our own.

Successive US govts have believed that sanctions and isolation could force the collapse of regimes in Korea, Cuba, and Iran, none of which has happened or is likely to ever happen because of that. Maybe it's time we quit believing in our own lies... quit trying to use those peoples' misfortunes to further our own domestic political agendas.

I think you're missing the larger issue here....the utter lack of concern the ruling class in NK have for the very lives of it's citizens as long as they can maintain their own lifestyle. They don't want to open up the country as the people who live there would eventually realize how badly they've been fucked for decades by their rulers and the gravy train would come to a screeching bloody halt.

At least Cuba and Iran feel a responsibility to (at a minimum) generally keep their citizens alive, even though they are most definitely oppressive.

 

[Jhhnn]

Get down off your sanctimonious high horse, K1052. US policy, particularly Bush Admin policy, has little or nothing to do with such considerations. We have and will undoubtedly support and nurture equally callous and repressive regimes that toe the line for us. We just rave about it when it suits our purposes, pooh-pooh it when it doesn't.

 

[K1052]

Get down off your sanctimonious high horse, K1052. US policy, particularly Bush Admin policy, has little or nothing to do with such considerations. We have and will undoubtedly support and nurture equally callous and repressive regimes that toe the line for us. We just rave about it when it suits our purposes, pooh-pooh it when it doesn't.

I don't think we've backed anyone this bad since Stalin in WWII. NK has had numerous opportunities to move forward but refuses to by their own choice, that is not the fault of the US. Even the Chinese want nothing to do with NK anymore except for them to keep their people out of China.

BTW, in case you noticed the Bush Admin has been out of office for a year now and didn't dominate our foreign relations for the other 40+ years of this issue.

 

[StageLeft]

Have you actually reviewed the history of Korea from the end of WWII until now.

I wonder if your lack of a question mark was Freudian; I think it's clear he has not reviewed the history nor the recent history of North Korea including such tidbits as them receiving vast amounts of food aid from the US and cutting almost all their population off from the internet and cell phones at the behest of nobody but their own top tiers of government. Information to North Koreans is quite literally limited more than in any other nation on the planet and this is how the NK government likes it because through this mechanism it can continue its propaganda.

This is why I think Kim would approve of AZN's posts. He doesn't even live there and still carries on as if Dear Leader himself is patting him on the shoulder.

 

[AzN]

Have you actually reviewed the history of Korea from the end of WWII until now.

One Korea would be nice - NK does not want it. It would expose their flaws completely - see Germany.

Why is it when other countries are in trouble, they want the US to help them. Then they complain when help arrives.

The US has not attacked NK after helping to defend SK from the Chinese and NK attacks in 1950.

Any attacks since then have been from NK against SK.
NK has also sold missles that have been used against US allies.
NK has also supported the transfer of nuclear technology in violation of the NPT.
NK has also threatened to destroy any planes/ships when they are going to launch a test missile.They block out a time from of weeks to do so.
The big bad US will cancel launches if plalnes/ships stray into a launch area. They only block out hours.

You choose to not answer the questions that are posed to you and try to deflect. Why? Because to do so honestly will expose your fantasies about the benelovent NK government.

The facts do not support your ideals.

Bla bla. NK small country size of 1 of small US state can't even harm the US and will never attack without China's commitment. Americans and their fear mongering to kill another life. Bla bla...

Maybe if you get off our lands and seeding puppets there would be 1 Korea. Oh right you want Korea in your terms under your command. Don't be silly.

USA MURDERED millions of Koreans to accomplish nothing in Korea. Maybe it's time someone took your sorry excuse for policing the world a break. Go home and stop ruining Korea with 5000 years of culture into shit. Stop spreading your 300 years of history of racial tension and multicrapalism. It's garbage!

 

[AzN]

I wonder if your lack of a question mark was Freudian; I think it's clear he has not reviewed the history nor the recent history of North Korea including such tidbits as them receiving vast amounts of food aid from the US and cutting almost all their population off from the internet and cell phones at the behest of nobody but their own top tiers of government. Information to North Koreans is quite literally limited more than in any other nation on the planet and this is how the NK government likes it because through this mechanism it can continue its propaganda.

This is why I think Kim would approve of AZN's posts. He doesn't even live there and still carries on as if Dear Leader himself is patting him on the shoulder.

At least NK hasn't been tarnished by your pop culture that thrive on drugs and pop music. Do you really think your culture is great? Fattening, plastic, drug abusing, passive aggressive, PC, homosexual rampant, females acting like men and vice versa, etc... Should I go on?

Let me tell you about my culture. My culture first and foremost is to respect elders and family. There's a harmony between our people that you can't get from your culture. You are turning everything into shit. It's sickening that you think everyone needs to be controlled and bred by your powers that be when we have nothing in common with your train of thought. Nothing but big emptiness that reside within.

You say I don't know shit about NK but in reality I feel everything that they FEEL! Get it! You know nothing about NK or the people. You have this figment of imagination how it should be under your control. It's silly you trying to tell me your views about Korea or Koreans.

 

[StageLeft]

Should I go on?

Please do; it's funny to watch you demonize what you embrace yourself. BTW I'm not American.

Let me tell you about my culture.

Honestly couldn't give a sh*t about your view of it since you don't understand the first thing about American or even have the respect to pay any credence to the hell North Koreans go through. All you can say is "at least NK hasn't been tarnished by your pop culture." You probably don't know that Kim has a penchant for it, yet denies it of "his" people.

I say honestly I didn't read past that sentence of yours. I am sure the rest of your post was rubbish. You seem like a spoiled child and have a disgusting apologists' attitude for a regime that oppresses millions of people and kills a good many of them to stay in power. You're obviously a teenager, though, so you get somewhat of a pass; chances are good that as you grow up you'll learn a bit more and possibly come to an understanding of how silly you are.

 

[JS80]

well not anymore. NK is sovereign nation. NK answers to no one but have relationships with surrounding countries like China. SK in other hand is controlled within. Our military can't immobilize without US dictations that's quite imperialistic.

Oh right SK has free elections with puppets that control nothing other than be leeches of the US. Give me a break. If Korea was democracy then why haven't the US left when more than 50% S. Koreans don't want you there?

I'm young but not that young. I'm old enough to know GI killed unarmed women and children during the Korean war. Stop your mass murdering and trying to give excuses. you are anything but a savior or nice.

You are making our people sound retarded. Go away you fucking spoiled overeducated douchebag. Go drive your bmw back to daddy's house.

 

[JS80]

China is licking their chops over this one. They would love the U.S. to get caught up in one more fight.

No, China is not. It would be a humanitarian nightmare for them and could be the catalyst for WW3.

 

[Zorba]

I think AzN has won the award for craziest person in P&N for the month of January, an impressive feat.

If you hate the US so much, why the hell do you stay here?

 

[JS80]

I think AzN has won the award for craziest person in P&N for the month of January, an impressive feat.

If you hate the US so much, why the hell do you stay here?

Sadly, all the little smartass Korean kids these days tend to want to be non-conformist douchebags and hold (and actually believe) stupid opinions while thinking they are the shit. Mind you they have been spoonfed by their parents who escape the classist system of Korea to prosper here in this free country. They leech of their parents driving luxury cars, smoking cigarettes, and I repeat, act like douchebags.

The irony is, drop them in Seoul, they would not last a second in the hyperland of SKorea.

 

[EagleKeeper]

People that have never experienced hardship under an oppresive rule can not value the freedom that they have away from it.

They choose to rebel against their parents and grandparents values, thinking that they know so much. To look at the truth is difficult; propaganda is easier to comprehend

 

[werepossum]

At least NK hasn't been tarnished by your pop culture that thrive on drugs and pop music. Do you really think your culture is great? Fattening, plastic, drug abusing, passive aggressive, PC, homosexual rampant, females acting like men and vice versa, etc... Should I go on?

Let me tell you about my culture. My culture first and foremost is to respect elders and family. There's a harmony between our people that you can't get from your culture. You are turning everything into shit. It's sickening that you think everyone needs to be controlled and bred by your powers that be when we have nothing in common with your train of thought. Nothing but big emptiness that reside within.

You say I don't know shit about NK but in reality I feel everything that they FEEL! Get it! You know nothing about NK or the people. You have this figment of imagination how it should be under your control. It's silly you trying to tell me your views about Korea or Koreans.

Wow. I have to hand it to you, you are a perfect idiot. Perfection is rare, but you have achieved it. Trade with North Korea? They produce nothing but inferior indigenous copies of inferior Chinese copies of Russian weapons, not even enough rice to feed themselves. In a few hundred years they will probably be a different sub-species, assuming they haven't all starved to death by then. South Korea elects its leaders and has a vibrant economy and culture. North Korea is a dictatorship where the national pastime is trying not to drop dead in the streets of starvation. North Korea had its leaders selected by Communist China and the USSR as puppets to promote world communism. When world communism was stopped North Korea no longer had any value to them (or to anyone else) and, like any nation led by puppets without puppet masters, fell into ruin.

On the bright side I've picked up another idiot for my ignore list.