Something to unify us in troubling times.

[Moonbeam]

I'm having fun. Then again I have making fun of groups like PETA for years now.

Doubtless it helps to make you feel better about yourself in the hate department. Oops, Sorry. For a moment there I got tempted to try to kill two birds with one stone.

 

[whm1974]

Doubtless it helps to make you feel better about yourself in the hate department. Oops, Sorry. For a moment there I got tempted to try to kill two birds with one stone.

Dude I'm not ridiculing them out of haterd , but because they are a bunch of wackos that well deserve it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dude I'm not ridiculing them out of haterd , but because they are a bunch of wackos that well deserve it.

I rather thought Perknose pinned the tail on the donkey when he said:

"The problem with the subsequent "outrage" in this humor thread is the conflation of idiot fringe extremists with all vegans.

To be sure, veganism is one of those personal stances that attracts a not insignificant number of folks who will make an angry religion out of anything. And, of course, these blighters, just like proselytizing fundamentalists or your Fox News-infused, semi-senile Uncle, seize the loudest megaphone to let YOU know how wrong YOU are.

People like this wish to export their inner unhappiness onto you. My best advice is to ignore them, but also not to conflate such folks with quietly committed vegans, general people of faith, or principled conservatives."

How, may I ask, do people who have no idea they do what they do out of inner feelings of inferiority, deserve anything for what they don't know they feel.

 

[Victorian Gray]

bacon is pork belly. All you guys do is make ham or tenderloin, and call it bacon!

Jealousy won't help.

 

[zinfamous]

Speak of that, I have heard the PETA or a member reported someone for killing a common rat for animal cruelty.

well, it depends on how it was killed. Cruelty is Cruelty, regardless of the species. Unless it was waterboarded, I guess: I've heard that this isn't torture, apparently.

 

[zinfamous]

Jealousy won't help.

no one is jealous of ham. It is literally the least-interesting cut from the hog.

Regardless, it still doesn't change the fact that bacon, across all countries and cultures, is cured (or smoked or cured and smoked or whatever) from pork belly. Only in America's Hat do they take the ham and call it bacon.

You think you have fooled us but you have not!

 

[Perknose]

Other than slow, who in this thread is just not having some fun?

Seriously? Did you somehow miss these 23 posts right from just the first two pages of the thread?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668391

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668481

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668513

Your own effing non-humorous post.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668655

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668665

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668750

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668799

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668802

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668807

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668811
Another of YOUR OWN POSTS!

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668835

Yet another of your own posts!

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668847

Do you even read your own posts??

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668868

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668871

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668872

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668878

Your FIFTH non-humorous post.

Followed closely by your Sixth.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668883

^^^Allow me now to Quote the Quibbler:

So, if you did look through the thread, you did a shit job of it.

 

[whm1974]

well, it depends on how it was killed. Cruelty is Cruelty, regardless of the species. Unless it was waterboarded, I guess: I've heard that this isn't torture, apparently.

Well buying a pet rat and torturing it to death I can see. But the way I heard it is that a PETA member saw a person stomp one to death after it's tail was caught by the trap.

As I recall the judge threw the charges out.

 

[Victorian Gray]

no one is jealous of ham. It is literally the least-interesting cut from the hog.

Regardless, it still doesn't change the fact that bacon, across all countries and cultures, is cured (or smoked or cured and smoked or whatever) from pork belly. Only in America's Hat do they take the ham and call it bacon.

You think you have fooled us but you have not!

Mmmmm, mmmmm, good.

 

[zinfamous]

Mmmmm, mmmmm, good.

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I'm not saying that doesn't look good. It's just plainly obvious that this would be better with pancetta or some American style bacon instead of any kind of ham. We all know this.

But let's compare ham to ham:

Canadian Ham vs Country ham biscuit

.....I'm going to go with the country ham; but that does look tasty. You won't catch me saying it doesn't!

 

[zinfamous]

Well buying a pet rat and torturing it to death I can see. But the way I heard it is that a PETA member saw a person stomp one to death after it's tail was caught by the trap.

As I recall the judge threw the charges out.

stomping is rather....visceral; but could actually be rather humane as long as you smash the head quickly and effectively in one go. We break their necks in the lab. takes less than 2 seconds overall if you know what you are doing.

you are generally supposed to knock them out first with gas or isoflourane (which we need for some procedures), but in many cases that is actually worse--gasing them with CO2 is the same as drowning. It's terrifying.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm not saying that doesn't look good. It's just plainly obvious that this would be better with pancetta or some American style bacon instead of any kind of ham. We all know this.

But let's compare ham to ham:

Canadian Ham vs Country ham biscuit

.....I'm going to go with the country ham; but that does look tasty. You won't catch me saying it doesn't!

It's all good.

 

[whm1974]

It's all good.

Well Bacon and ham are pretty much the only part of the pig I'll eat.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well Bacon and ham are pretty much the only part of the pig I'll eat.

No pork roast? No pork ribs?

 

[whm1974]

No pork roast? No pork ribs?

Well those I will eat, but pork pork chops, no thanks.

 

[zinfamous]

Well Bacon and ham are pretty much the only part of the pig I'll eat.

adding to: no shoulder? no jowels? no feet?

what is wrong with you?

 

[zinfamous]

Well those I will eat, but pork pork chops, no thanks.

pork chops are basically a different cut from the ribs, bro. Just like all chop/rib cuts from beef and lamb.

 

[realibrad]

Seriously? Did you somehow miss these 23 posts right from just the first two pages of the thread?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668391

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668481

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668513

Your own effing non-humorous post.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668655

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/something-to-unify-us-in-troubling-times.2558123/#post-39668665

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668750

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668799

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668802

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668807

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668811
Another of YOUR OWN POSTS!

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668835

Yet another of your own posts!

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668847

Do you even read your own posts??

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668868

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668871

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668872

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668878

Your FIFTH non-humorous post.

Followed closely by your Sixth.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-troubling-times.2558123/page-2#post-39668883

^^^Allow me now to Quote the Quibbler:

You must have forgotten your own post, because you said this.

"The problem with the subsequent "outrage" in this humor thread is the conflation of idiot fringe extremists with all vegans. "

I asked other than slow, who is doing that and not just having some fun with the topic.

The below is not conflating fringe extremists with all vegans.

Veganism is a choice, unlike, for example, race or sexual preference. Not really on board with the notion than one can make a choice about one's eating habits, then expect others to display special sensitivity in how they phrase things.

The only one that I saw trying to lump in all extremists with all vegans was slow. Nobody else that I can see is doing that. What I do see are people having some fun with a topic.

 

[Victorian Gray]

 

[pmv]

PETA go out of their way to antagonise people or say absurd things. They consider all publicity to be good publicity. I don't care for them, but I think veganism makes a lot of sense, even though I can't manage it (have tried in the past, fell off the wagon...its very hard in a society where its not the norm and I'm weak about such things).

But there are some curious things about it, e.g. how it seems to slide from being a pragmatic moral practice to being a quasi-religion and lifestyle, complete with 'contamination anxiety' that doesn't really make much sense from a pragmatic point-of-view.

There's also the problem that all sorts of other things people do can harm animals, probably more so than meat-eating, e.g. habitat destruction or pollution, and yet many Vegans happily participate in those activities (many of them drive or take flights, for example - I gather the boss of PETA is a big fan of Formula One car racing). I don't really understand how they can be so absolutist about animals-for-food while cutting themselves slack over all those other issues.

And finally I think there's a qualitative difference between the issue of how we treat non-human animals and how we treat groups of humans. Namely, animals themselves are not, and never will be, participants in the construction of morality. Morality is a human invention. It's not like the liberation of slaves, where the former-enslaved-classes are capable of noisily and forcefully pointing out how barbaric the practice was. Animals are never going to reproach us for what we did or organise an armed resistance, stage acts of terrorism or a Haitian-style bloody revolt, so it's always going to depend on humans _choosing_ to be 'moral' (or some humans claiming to speak 'for' animals, in a way that will always be second-hand).

To me that seems to make it an unstable situation and a dilemma that will never fully be resolved - even if people became vegans en-masse at some point, backsliding could always happen.

 

[realibrad]

PETA go out of their way to antagonise people or say absurd things. They consider all publicity to be good publicity. I don't care for them, but I think veganism makes a lot of sense, even though I can't manage it (have tried in the past, fell off the wagon...its very hard in a society where its not the norm and I'm weak about such things).

But there are some curious things about it, e.g. how it seems to slide from being a pragmatic moral practice to being a quasi-religion and lifestyle, complete with 'contamination anxiety' that doesn't really make much sense from a pragmatic point-of-view.

There's also the problem that all sorts of other things people do can harm animals, probably more so than meat-eating, e.g. habitat destruction or pollution, and yet many Vegans happily participate in those activities (many of them drive or take flights, for example - I gather the boss of PETA is a big fan of Formula One car racing). I don't really understand how they can be so absolutist about animals-for-food while cutting themselves slack over all those other issues.

And finally I think there's a qualitative difference between the issue of how we treat non-human animals and how we treat groups of humans. Namely, animals themselves are not, and never will be, participants in the construction of morality. Morality is a human invention. It's not like the liberation of slaves, where the former-enslaved-classes are capable of noisily and forcefully pointing out how barbaric the practice was. Animals are never going to reproach us for what we did or organise an armed resistance, stage acts of terrorism or a Haitian-style bloody revolt, so it's always going to depend on humans _choosing_ to be 'moral' (or some humans claiming to speak 'for' animals, in a way that will always be second-hand).

To me that seems to make it an unstable situation and a dilemma that will never fully be resolved - even if people became vegans en-masse at some point, backsliding could always happen.

See, to me your post seems reasonable. To Perk, its an attack on vegans by lumping them in with extremists.