Something for the whining, liberal, atheist in here...

KDOG

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Someone sent me this via, email, thought it was pretty good....

I don't know any newspaper people who think like this. Hats off to
> Mr.Gholson: From the TIMES RECORD NEWS, Wichita Falls, Texas: By: NICK
> GHOLSON
>
> Some people, it seems, get offended way too easily. I mean, isn't that
what
> all this prayer hullabaloo is all about - people getting offended? Those
> of us in the majority are always tippy-toeing around, trying to make sure
> we don't step on the toes or hurt the feelings of the humorless. And you
> can bet there's a lawyer standing on every corner making sure we don't.
> Take this prayer deal. It's absolutely ridiculous. Some atheist goes to
> a high school football game, hears a kid say a short prayer before the
> game and gets offended. So he hires a lawyer and goes to court and asks
> somebody to pay him a whole bunch of money for all the damage done to him.
> You would have thought the kid kicked him in the crotch. Damaged for life
> by a 30-second prayer? Am I missing something here? I don't believe in
> Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho
> song in December. I don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire
a
> lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory of evolution. Life,
> liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because
someone
> says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big deal?
> It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts.
They're
> just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to
the
> players on the field and the fans going home from the game. But it's a
> Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of
> America, a country founded on Christian principles. And we are in the
> Bible Belt. According to our very own phone book, Christian churches
> outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect -
> somebody chanting Hare Krishna? If I went to a football game in Jerusalem,
> I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer. If I went to a soccer game in
> Baghdad, I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer. If I went to a ping pong
> match in China, I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha. And I
> wouldn't be offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome...
> "But what about the atheists?" is another argument. What about them?
Nobody
> is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to pass the collection
plate.
> Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman
> or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand.
> Call your lawyer. Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or
> two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a
short
> prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations. Nor
> do I believe that not praying will result in more serious injuries on the
> field or more fatal car crashes after the game. In fact, I'm not so sure
> God would even be at all these games if he didn't have to be. That's just
> one of the downsides of omnipresence. If God really liked sports, the
> Russians would never have won a single gold medal, New York would never
> play in a World Series and Deion Sanders' toe would be healed by now.
> Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our
> courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us
> to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us
> just to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers
> are telling us to cease praying. God, help us. And if that last sentence
> offends you-well............ just sue me.
 

Zucchini

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Thats a great example of bad reasoning.. if that was your intent to show it as such. If it isn't, then you should really consider taking a logic/critical thinking class. A good term to remember =fallacy.
 

konichiwa

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That is very inspiring. Heh.

<< But it's a Christian prayer,&quot; some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles. And we are in the Bible Belt. According to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1 >>

While we're on the subject of American principles...how about the separation of church and state? How about democratic (or republic, at least) ideals? Just because Christian churches outnumber all others by &quot;better than 200-to-1&quot; does that mean they don't have a say in anything?

Pray in your head. Since when does &quot;your Bible&quot; tell you that you've got to tell it to the rest of us?
 

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<< Thats a great example of bad reasoning.. if that was your intent to show it as such. If it isn't, then you should really consider taking a logic/critical thinking class. A good term to remember =fallacy >>



.... and you're an even GREATER example of the subject matter of the piece.
 

Valhalla1

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fuc#king democrat bleeding heart liberal atheist baby-killing military-hating election-stealing gay-loving bastards. :)

what? stereotyping? me? no way. ;)
 

Viper GTS

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Since when does &quot;your Bible&quot; tell you that you've got to tell it to the rest of us?

Apparently you're not to familiar with it yourself...

Viper GTS
 

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<< how about the separation of church and state? >>


....how about it? Exactly what is &quot;seperation of church and state&quot;? Define the term for us please.
 

konichiwa

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Granted, it's a pretty archaic term, but the general idea is keep religion away from state-run institutions...IE, schools. (Public ones, anyway)
 

jacobnero6918

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I like the Santa Claus metaphor. Santa Claus is everywhere but nobody cares about it. I don't see what damage a pray before a football games does.
 

konichiwa

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jacob...something ;)

Honestly, I don't either...I say let them pray at a damn football game. Partly I'm just taking the side of the Devil's Advocate. Praying in school, well...
 

Zucchini

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Jacob, your analogy doens't work. If it did, people would be told after the age of 10 that there was no god:) haha, thats just wacky:)
 

Russ

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<< Granted, it's a pretty archaic term, but the general idea is keep religion away from state-run institutions...IE, schools. >>



WRONG. The idea is to keep religion from running state-run institutions. NOWHERE in the United States Constitution does it say that we should keep religion &quot;away&quot; from anything.

Russ, NCNE
 

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Would you like to hear a prayer to Satan before a football game? I doubt it. Why should I have to listen to a Christian prayer then? I'm not saying I see Chrisitians as evil, just using that as an example.
 

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Why is an atheist automatically a liberal?

Thats sever falacy, I know plenty of conservative atheists, allthough most are middle grounded or libertarian.

Not all atheists, or even a good precentage care if you say a prayer, say it in your head for christs sake(ha ha ha).

I think money should be returned to its original state, which LACKED &quot;in god we trust&quot; though. This is NOT an original saying on money, and was in fact rejected several times. Also it has been on money and later removed, and put back again.

Separation of church and state I fully believe in. Group out-loud prayer in school, big no no. Kids can pray in school, so long as its done quietly alone. Religion is a private thing. I dont subject people to the horrors to the Religion of Jenni. I think a good compromise is a &quot;Moment to reflect&quot;, or &quot;Moment of scilence&quot; in school, whatever you want to call it. This allows one a pre-set ammount of time, i'd say about 5mins to do whatever they want quietly. Christians can use this to pray in their head, other people from other religions can do the same. Atheists can use this time to think about whatever they want and/or plot the destruction of religion.

Back when I was in school, I probably would have used this time like 90% of the other students would have.... used it to finish last nights homework, whichis due in 5 mins! :)
 

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Kdog;

<...Now a handful of people...>

Atheists are more than a handful in number, and it's good you find us all to be more than a hand full. :D

The country may have been founded on theist/deist principles, but things change. Get used to it.

Earth started out lifeless. Should we make sure it remains lifeless?
 

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The Anointed Ones have been silent for a long tome. They have stood by while others have trumpeted their views from the housetops and through the media. This is due to the fact that many have made the choice, not to progress. Or they have been bound by the establishment that kept them, and their gift, bound.

It is now time for that to change, and with words, and with words, and with words of kindness, all things will be pulled into the house of the King.

There will be resistance as Kingdoms come into conflict and as Wealth is transferred to the Just.

By the way, can someone show me where the US Constitution provides for the establishment of state run education?

:)
 

KDOG

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The whole separtation of church and state thing is a farce. That was meant to keep the GOV'T out of RELIGION, NOT religion out of politics....

And no, I wouldn't want someone to pray a Satanic prayer at the football game...for obvious reasons....
 

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<< And no, I wouldn't want someone to pray a Satanic prayer at the football game...for obvious reasons.... >>

And I wouldn't want someone to pray a Christian/Jewish/Muslim prayer at a football game...for obvious reasons....
 

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Ditto on what Napalm said. If we allow for religious practices in federal establishments, then we have to allow all of them to be fair. Think about it, ALL the religions in the world! Every single one. It ain't feasable.
 

Zucchini

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just remember religion is exclusionary by its very nature. Thats something you cannot change.
 

KDOG

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Some of you are missing the point...its making a point about the whiny, stupid, fruit loopy people getting lawyers cause thier the slightest bit offended. I wondered if youd like it if us Christians got a lawyer everytime, the liberal media, entertainment industry, government and of course the whiny, liberal, atheist citizen said something that offended us...which is like every 5 minutes.
 

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KDOG;

<...meant to keep the GOV'T out of RELIGION, NOT religion out of politics...>

No, it's meant to keep religion out of Governance.

GOVERN: To rule or control by right of authority.

By the Constitution, we grant ourselves the authority to govern ourselves. In this country, the right to self-governance is NOT granted by your god, or by anyone else's. It's granted by all of us, not just those with a personal god to wield like a club.

 

KDOG

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KONICHIWA If I have to explain it to you, well...never mind.

Red Dawn Oh the freedom FROM religion thing...is pathetic...