Some examples of where Sanders supporters are coming from:

[Starbuck1975]

This statement, in a nutshell, explains why Bernie supporters offend so much of the rest of the electorate. Do you honestly think the recent groundswell for Biden was because "the party" told us to?

Fact is to a huge portion of the country Bernie is an unelectable Cassandra who has accomplished nothing in his decades in office. I said it before and will pledge it again-if Bernie is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him-but I can't imagine him getting any real active SUPPORT from the non-faithful devotees.

As a matter of reality, the next President (if a Democrat) is going to 90%+ consumed will undoing the damage Trump/McConnell have caused and will be able to do little to push their own agenda. The same trap Obama fell into after Bush.

The problem is that what you just wrote is almost verbatim what the party establishment and donor class have been saying about Sanders. Many voters went into South Carolina undecided, and a fee key well timed endorsements suddenly tipped the scales.

Bloomberg came off the bench, not to defeat Trump but because of Sanders. When Bloomberg failed to seize his moment, all of a sudden candidates started rallying around Biden. Why, because he won a red state that is out of play for Democrats in the general?

 

[VRAMdemon]

Most of Bernies vocal young supporters probably voted. But many young voters aren’t vocal. Many young voters don’t even follow politics online. Many young voters have FaceBook feeds filled with family photos, friend photos, selfies, cat videos and special interest material. Many young voters don’t watch debates or research candidates. Many young voters don’t even feel strongly about their candidates. They are busy looking for their way in life. Hanging out with friends, having a good time. Ignoring the "hurricane of lies and hate" as my nineteen year old daughter puts it. She will be voting with me on Tuesday, but I have to drag her to the polls kicking and screaming and only because I insisted on the importance of this being her civic duty and making YOUR voice heard. Her favorite (Warren) is out. She became disinterested. The elections are forgotten. Blocked out. Back to real life for her. She will vote for Bernie only in symbolism, not because she likes him. She's not happy about it.

Among the older set, there are lots of people that vote because they were either conditioned from a young age to do so, or because voting is symbolic of the wonderfulness of democracy. It’s your civic duty and if you don’t do it you have no right to complain about your governance. It’s a right that our forefathers fought for and we need to respect their work.

So the older folks dutifully march to the polls every couple of years and click the box next to the least objectionable candidate. They don’t have to love them or even like them. They don’t have to feel that they are going to do something that will personally benefit them. They do it because that’s what they do. They don’t need the promise of a revolution, because they vote to fulfill the promises made in that revolution 250 or so years ago.

Maybe that makes them mindless drones, but it gets out the vote. And young people just don’t vote like that. So they lose the numbers game.

Me as (Gen-Xer, 47 yrs old) young person voter turnout doesn't seem to be much changed these days than it was in my time. The realistic part of me says that twenty-somethings are what they are, regardless of the time frame, and that this sort of civic disengagement comes with the age. The cynical part of me says that today's youth is more connected to news/information sources and each other than ever before; they are more susceptable to bullshit and lies. They have less excuse to not be aware of where, when, how or who to vote for than any generations in history, including boomers, Gen-Xers, etc... and still behave the same w.r.t. voting as those generations, but manage to bitch about the state of the world a lot more than they did. And then they don't turn out and vote. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Bitek]

Same question to you. What's Joe Biden going to do for you? What is he promising you? What's appealing about his platform to you?

Here's a primer: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/

For one thing, having a Obamacare expansion that can actually get passed. Can even happen quickly under reconcilation.

I liked his cancer moonshot when he was vp. I hope that continues to be a focus.

Second of all, not blowing up the size of government and taxes in the process.

Two years of trade school and community college is pretty fair. Gov paying for full rides to Princeton is too extreme and too costly when resources are needed elsewhere. Also makes it more likely to get passed.

Big infrastructure plan.

The biggest thing is like to see the next D president do is green tech infrastructure and jobs. This is where I'm good on going very big on spending. Not on M4A and free college and wiping out all college debt.

His plan to let states decide on weed is fine. Ideally we'd go now aggressive, but not a deal breaker for me. He does address pot convictions tho which is good


Overall Joe is winning because his platform is more progressive then even the Obama administration, but also rooted in a sense of practicality so shit can actually get done.

Prioritization and practicality is Bernie's biggest downfall. He wants everything now and for free. That's just not how we're built, and that's a recipe for nothing getting done. That's pretty much what his record looks like. Lots of big talk, no results.
Kinda like the guy we got in there now.

 

[dank69]

For some the price of not going progressive is death by fire.

Then fire we shall get. Hope you like watching children burn.

 

[dank69]

You've let the Democrats sell you a terrible lie: that you should vote for bad candidates as long as the Republican version is "worse". Biden is a rotten agent for monied special interests. Democrats like him facilitate the evils of the Republican party. He told his donors that nothing will change. Listen to him. LIsten to him when he says that he would veto universal health care.

Nobody has sold me anything. I vote the way I do because I can see with my own eyes how Democrats vote and what policies they push. They push a LOT of good policies, and they fight about plenty of other policies that shouldn't be a fight, like M4A. They also let quite a few shit policies slip through with bipartisan votes that should not happen, and yes, that makes me upset. That does not change the math. With Biden you get no universal healthcare right now. With Trump you get no universal healthcare right now. If enough of you children don't vote because you aren't getting healthcare either way then nobody gets healthcare ever and we learn what it is really like to suffer on top of that. You will be begging for the days when your worst problems were expensive healthcare and bitching on twatter.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Same question to you. What's Joe Biden going to do for you? What is he promising you? What's appealing about his platform to you? Come on, someone's gotta answer this question.

Why do people believe the only motivation for political choice is material self-interest?

I incline generally to aspects of platforms from all the Democratic candidates right now. I incline against Mitch McConnell's stance on the latest Corona -Relief bill that it is some "wish list of Liberal ideology".

I'm in favor of a Public-Interest, even if it impacts my pocket-book and even if my 51-percenter income-taxes go up by 5%.

As long as there are beans to put on the table and either public-transport or a hand-me-down ride in the driveway, I don't much care about everyone else's sudden need for steaks on the table and a Lexus every three years. I'm indifferent to the venal bullshit of other people.

Right now, I say "Get out of the way!"

 

[Moonbeam]

This statement, in a nutshell, explains why Bernie supporters offend so much of the rest of the electorate. Do you honestly think the recent groundswell for Biden was because "the party" told us to?

Fact is to a huge portion of the country Bernie is an unelectable Cassandra who has accomplished nothing in his decades in office. I said it before and will pledge it again-if Bernie is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him-but I can't imagine him getting any real active SUPPORT from the non-faithful devotees.

As a matter of reality, the next President (if a Democrat) is going to 90%+ consumed will undoing the damage Trump/McConnell have caused and will be able to do little to push their own agenda. The same trap Obama fell into after Bush.

Then fire we shall get. Hope you like watching children burn.

Why would I like it? Why would you think it is what I want. I am only pointing out that so long as Democrats refuse to move to the left nationally like they have now moved in California, there may be enough people who will sit out the election, sufficient for Trump to win. You will blame them and they will blame you and all of this will happen mechanically. Democrats, it would seem, are Insufficiently evolved and too fearful to be progressive liberals and will act like anchors to any hope that the ship of democracy by the people will leave the harbor of the one percent.

 

[ivwshane]

Enlightened enough to recognize when somebody wants to inflict humiliation on somebody else by suggesting they don’t measure up to your own guesses as to what it is they use to flatter their ego, something that, were it true, you might just envy.

In the mean time I wish you would do me the favor of not assuming I am dodging points and concerns you have simply by dismissing them for reasons. It makes you sound terribly self important.

You strike me more as wanting a pissing match than a rational discussion. There is nothing in that for me. Enlightened, remember?

Lol!

More projecting.

 

[ivwshane]

The problem is that what you just wrote is almost verbatim what the party establishment and donor class have been saying about Sanders. Many voters went into South Carolina undecided, and a fee key well timed endorsements suddenly tipped the scales.

Bloomberg came off the bench, not to defeat Trump but because of Sanders. When Bloomberg failed to seize his moment, all of a sudden candidates started rallying around Biden. Why, because he won a red state that is out of play for Democrats in the general?

Polls in South Carolina heavily favored Biden from the beginning. From the beginning Biden said South Carolina will support him, you’ll have to show us A) what many voters means B) that many voters suddenly went for Biden after a few endorsements.

Most people don’t even know who their senators or representatives are and you expect us to believe that the “establishment” has so much power over them to convince them to go with Biden? Give me a break.

It’s pretty simple stuff; Biden has name recognition and he was the VP for the first black president and he didn’t fuck that up.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Polls in South Carolina heavily favored Biden from the beginning. From the beginning Biden said South Carolina will support him, you’ll have to show us A) what many voters means B) that many voters suddenly went for Biden after a few endorsements.

Most people don’t even know who their senators or representatives are and you expect us to believe that the “establishment” has so much power over them to convince them to go with Biden? Give me a break.

It’s pretty simple stuff; Biden has name recognition and he was the VP for the first black president and he didn’t fuck that up.

On RealClearPolitics, they are showing a poll graph that Biden was consistently trending 15 points above Sanders until late February, when he suddenly plummeted and Sanders closed within 5 points. Then, Biden’s polling drastically shot up again after a couple of key endorsements. There’s been a lot of discussion around how African American support surged late and unexpectedly for Biden, especially curious given that the civil rights movement aligns better to Sanders’ revolutionary socialism over O’bidenbama’s member berries.

I honestly think both Biden and Sanders can defeat Trump. I do also think Biden is the more vulnerable to the types of attacks that took out Gore, Kerry and Clinton.

 

[Moonbeam]

Polls in South Carolina heavily favored Biden from the beginning. From the beginning Biden said South Carolina will support him, you’ll have to show us A) what many voters means B) that many voters suddenly went for Biden after a few endorsements.

Most people don’t even know who their senators or representatives are and you expect us to believe that the “establishment” has so much power over them to convince them to go with Biden? Give me a break.

It’s pretty simple stuff; Biden has name recognition and he was the VP for the first black president and he didn’t fuck that up.

Pretty funny. Most people don't even know who their elected representative are but they have all reached their favorable opinion of Biden by careful analysis, not by following, sheepishly, popular opinion created by the way by the 1%. Name recognition is media generated and what is given can be taken away. Imagine if he were a full on socialist out to raise Black people from poverty by returning power to the people. His sex appeal would be you know where. Sanders the second.

 

[Meghan54]

The Primaries are not the Election.

The primaries are EXACTLY the place I'd expect the "youth vote" to show up in force to assure their preferred candidate gets the best chance of winning. Surely you don't think that's a waste of time, your excuse for the youth vote not showing up.

And, again, they're not showing up in what's probably the most important vote for Sanders so far. If he fails to deliver in the primaries, why would any one believe he'll have them show up for the general?

 

[Meghan54]

What's Joe Biden going to do for you? What is he promising you? What's appealing about his platform to you?

Did I ever say I was supporting Biden? When? Where?

Quit putting words into my mouth.....on the other hand, what's Sanders done to produce the "Youth Vote" he promised he would? You'd think the youth would be out in unprecedented droves to make sure Sanders wins the Dem. nomination, but nope......no overwhelming youth vote at all.

The "Youth Vote" seems to be more all cry, talk, and gnashing of teeth.....on YT, Twitter, FB.....but not at the ballot box where it counts. Just repeating history.....can talk a great game, can't be bothered to show up and vote.....too inconvenient for their preciousness, perhaps?

 

[Blackjack200]

The majority of Democrats who vote in the primaries beg to disagree with you.

I had a long argument with a Biden supporter over dinner today, and I'm glad I did because it helped solidify a change in my own thinking: I'm now less certain now that Biden would lose to Trump. In fact, I think we all overestimate our ability to predict how the election will turn out. I'm sorry to be grisly, but it could be as simple as the Coronavirus literally wiping out enough Trump supporters to impact the results of the election. Even without the virus, I think that there is some evidence from the primary results that older Democrats could turn out in large numbers. In any case, when I said "there is nothing inherently electable about Biden", I should have said "there is nothing inherently appealing about Biden". And I suppose even that should be modified to recognize that Biden is very appealing to voters that make $250k per year and heath insurance CEOs.

Yep, donors and kind hearted CEO's like this who get a free pass by many Democrats because he is against Trump.

One of the most evil men in the country; Amazon workers are treated like cattle. He's easily as corrosive as the Koch brothers.

This statement, in a nutshell, explains why Bernie supporters offend so much of the rest of the electorate. Do you honestly think the recent groundswell for Biden was because "the party" told us to?

Fact is to a huge portion of the country Bernie is an unelectable Cassandra who has accomplished nothing in his decades in office. I said it before and will pledge it again-if Bernie is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him-but I can't imagine him getting any real active SUPPORT from the non-faithful devotees.

As a matter of reality, the next President (if a Democrat) is going to 90%+ consumed will undoing the damage Trump/McConnell have caused and will be able to do little to push their own agenda. The same trap Obama fell into after Bush.

I've addressed the electability argument above. I find the criticism of Sanders's accomplishments in office to be strange. If he fought for good things and was defeated by Democrats and Republicans that were fighting for bad things, how is that a point against him when one of the Democrats fighting for bad things is his opponent? Joe Biden is more effective at Bernie Sanders in getting bad legislation passed? That's the argument.

What of Bush/Cheney's damage did Obama undo? He didn't end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he didn't close Guantanamo, he expanded drone warfare, he expanded surveillance, and he expanded deportation. He delivered economic relief to banks but not homeowners in the housing crisis. Top line economic growth did quite well under Obama, but most of that growth went to top earners, and lower income Americans suffered. Obama pushed his agenda just fine in the Oval Office, but it's not the agenda that his supporters thought they were voting for, and Democrats have never confronted that.

 

[ivwshane]

On RealClearPolitics, they are showing a poll graph that Biden was consistently trending 15 points above Sanders until late February, when he suddenly plummeted and Sanders closed within 5 points. Then, Biden’s polling drastically shot up again after a couple of key endorsements. There’s been a lot of discussion around how African American support surged late and unexpectedly for Biden, especially curious given that the civil rights movement aligns better to Sanders’ revolutionary socialism over O’bidenbama’s member berries.

I honestly think both Biden and Sanders can defeat Trump. I do also think Biden is the more vulnerable to the types of attacks that took out Gore, Kerry and Clinton.

That drop in the polls was because Biden did horrible in the first couple of primaries. There was real concern that Biden didn’t have what it took and that sanders did. As soon as more results came in from different states and from states that looked more like the US his polling shot up.

Did endorsements help? Maybe a little but I’m doubtful as I’ve never heard a single voter ever say, “I voted for him because x said they supported them”.

 

[ivwshane]

Pretty funny. Most people don't even know who their elected representative are but they have all reached their favorable opinion of Biden by careful analysis, not by following, sheepishly, popular opinion created by the way by the 1%. Name recognition is media generated and what is given can be taken away. Imagine if he were a full on socialist out to raise Black people from poverty by returning power to the people. His sex appeal would be you know where. Sanders the second.

I have no idea where you pulled that from but I never said anyone did any sort of analysis before deciding on their preferred candidate (in any sort of large enough numbers to matter).

In fact it was the 2016 outcome that showed me that people don’t care about anything but messaging. However this primary has shown me that people also don’t care about policies or policy details.

 

[Blackjack200]

Here's a primer: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/

For one thing, having a Obamacare expansion that can actually get passed. Can even happen quickly under reconcilation.

I liked his cancer moonshot when he was vp. I hope that continues to be a focus.

Second of all, not blowing up the size of government and taxes in the process.

Two years of trade school and community college is pretty fair. Gov paying for full rides to Princeton is too extreme and too costly when resources are needed elsewhere. Also makes it more likely to get passed.

Big infrastructure plan.

The biggest thing is like to see the next D president do is green tech infrastructure and jobs. This is where I'm good on going very big on spending. Not on M4A and free college and wiping out all college debt.

His plan to let states decide on weed is fine. Ideally we'd go now aggressive, but not a deal breaker for me. He does address pot convictions tho which is good


Overall Joe is winning because his platform is more progressive then even the Obama administration, but also rooted in a sense of practicality so shit can actually get done.

Prioritization and practicality is Bernie's biggest downfall. He wants everything now and for free. That's just not how we're built, and that's a recipe for nothing getting done. That's pretty much what his record looks like. Lots of big talk, no results.
Kinda like the guy we got in there now.

I would doubt that Joe is winning because of his platform, and I would doubt that most of his voters could even tell you what his platform is. And Trump has absolutely gotten results for his base - huge tax cuts, rollback of environmental protections, terrorizing immigrants, punting the TPP, etc.

Nobody has sold me anything. I vote the way I do because I can see with my own eyes how Democrats vote and what policies they push. They push a LOT of good policies, and they fight about plenty of other policies that shouldn't be a fight, like M4A. They also let quite a few shit policies slip through with bipartisan votes that should not happen, and yes, that makes me upset. That does not change the math. With Biden you get no universal healthcare right now. With Trump you get no universal healthcare right now. If enough of you children don't vote because you aren't getting healthcare either way then nobody gets healthcare ever and we learn what it is really like to suffer on top of that. You will be begging for the days when your worst problems were expensive healthcare and bitching on twatter.

If Biden is elected because progressives eat whatever shit sandwich the Democrats feed them, then the Democrats have no reason to ever do M4A or any progressive policy. Voting for Biden is committing political Seppuku for progressives. You can argue that progressives should join a real unity ticket, but Biden is hard right. Any progressive that votes for him has zero commitment to their values.

Why do people believe the only motivation for political choice is material self-interest?

I incline generally to aspects of platforms from all the Democratic candidates right now. I incline against Mitch McConnell's stance on the latest Corona -Relief bill that it is some "wish list of Liberal ideology".

I'm in favor of a Public-Interest, even if it impacts my pocket-book and even if my 51-percenter income-taxes go up by 5%.

No no. No generic "all the Democratic candidates" bullshit. Joe. Biden. This is the primaries, the Democratic candidates are running against each other.

As long as there are beans to put on the table and either public-transport or a hand-me-down ride in the driveway, I don't much care about everyone else's sudden need for steaks on the table and a Lexus every three years. I'm indifferent to the venal bullshit of other people.

Right now, I say "Get out of the way!"

I take deep offense to the idea that my brother getting real health care for the first time in his adult life is "steaks on the table". Biden is hostile to the idea that people I love shouldn't die of treatable disease, and it's not just Biden, Hillary Clinton called it "a pony".

 

[Blackjack200]

Did I ever say I was supporting Biden? When? Where?
Quit putting words into my mouth.....

Where did I say you were? You don't need to be a Joe Biden supporter to answer those questions. Maybe you should quit putting words in my mouth.

on the other hand, what's Sanders done to produce the "Youth Vote" he promised he would? You'd think the youth would be out in unprecedented droves to make sure Sanders wins the Dem. nomination, but nope......no overwhelming youth vote at all.

The "Youth Vote" seems to be more all cry, talk, and gnashing of teeth.....on YT, Twitter, FB.....but not at the ballot box where it counts. Just repeating history.....can talk a great game, can't be bothered to show up and vote.....too inconvenient for their preciousness, perhaps?

What's he done? He's running on a platform of policies that are very popular with young people and his campaign has gone to great pains to reach out to them. Why haven't they turned out? Well, in some states they have. I don't know why they haven't turned out in other states, but in some cases it could be that Biden had a large lead in the polls and they were discouraged (the same excuse that was provided for Biden's dismal finishes in the first 3 states), but I don't think that was the case in every state with low youth turnout. I hope the campaign figures it out, but I don't see how that's a convincing criticism of Sanders when no other candidate is turning out young voters either. What's Biden done on that front?

Your callous comments about young voters are totally inappropriate, it's a frustrating problem, and one we should all be trying to solve. If you're looking for a generation to blame for the shitty country we live in today, maybe take a look in the mirror.

 

[dank69]

Who would have thought you lacked the intelligence to distinguish between the kind of purity that motivates many Sanders supporters and the kind of purity that attracts people to trump. But sure, both sides.

...

If Biden is elected because progressives eat whatever shit sandwich the Democrats feed them, then the Democrats have no reason to ever do M4A or any progressive policy. Voting for Biden is committing political Seppuku for progressives. You can argue that progressives should join a real unity ticket, but Biden is hard right. Any progressive that votes for him has zero commitment to their values. ...

I believe exactly the opposite. Until we kill the Republican party, the Democrats have no incentive to be anything more than "better than the Republican party." What incentive does any Democratic politician have to be progressive? If they lose, they are still rich and benefit from Republican policy. They constantly vote for policies that would benefit you, and take money out of their own pockets and what thanks do they get from you? You call them trash as bad as any Republican voting to take from you everything.

If we kill the Republican party, if we make it known that their policies don't fly with enough people to be more than a shit-tier 3rd party, only then can we get to the task of fracturing the Democrats into progressives and what used to be the Republican party.

 

[dank69]

Why would I like it? Why would you think it is what I want. I am only pointing out that so long as Democrats refuse to move to the left nationally like they have now moved in California, there may be enough people who will sit out the election, sufficient for Trump to win. You will blame them and they will blame you and all of this will happen mechanically. Democrats, it would seem, are Insufficiently evolved and too fearful to be progressive liberals and will act like anchors to any hope that the ship of democracy by the people will leave the harbor of the one percent.

The problem is you get to predict that Bernie would win if Americans would only give him a chance and that prediction can never be falsified so you get to continue believing you are Nostradamus. Maybe you are right. Maybe millions of American robots conditioned to piss their pants at the mere mention of the word socialism will flock to vote for Socialism in November.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That drop in the polls was because Biden did horrible in the first couple of primaries. There was real concern that Biden didn’t have what it took and that sanders did. As soon as more results came in from different states and from states that looked more like the US his polling shot up.

He did more than horrible. As Warren said, Biden is not the person who can rise to this moment.

Did endorsements help? Maybe a little but I’m doubtful as I’ve never heard a single voter ever say, “I voted for him because x said they supported them”.

The African American vote saved Biden. The news articles that explore this talk about how faith leaders, community leaders and their elected representatives actually hold a tremendous amount of sway in their communities. Trust and authenticity are very important to their vote, and they also tend to be more conservative (not politically, but as in having lost faith in the system to deliver transformational change). It’s interesting how coalitions often come together.

South Carolina is not a state that Biden will take in the general, but he used that win to create momentum into Super Tuesday.

 

[Bitek]

I would doubt that Joe is winning because of his platform, and I would doubt that most of his voters could even tell you what his platform is. And Trump has absolutely gotten results for his base - huge tax cuts, rollback of environmental protections, terrorizing immigrants, punting the TPP, etc.
...

Goal post shifting much?

You asked what Biden voters saw in him. I answered. Now you say it doesn't matter.

Ok. Biden ran the H1N1 task force, which was very competently run, as was the Ebola outbreak.

Why should we trust Bernie? What executive experience and record of accomplishment does he have? Mayor of Burlington VT?
A population of 40,000?

South Bend IN is 100k, and more diverse. If Mayor Pete seemed light weight, what does that mean for Bernie? At least Pete had military experience.

 

[Bitek]

Pretty funny. Most people don't even know who their elected representative are but they have all reached their favorable opinion of Biden by careful analysis, not by following, sheepishly, popular opinion created by the way by the 1%. Name recognition is media generated and what is given can be taken away. Imagine if he were a full on socialist out to raise Black people from poverty by returning power to the people. His sex appeal would be you know where. Sanders the second.

Bernie has had five years of constant campaigning and an incredible amount of monetary resources to work with.

He has very high name recognition.

In the time he utterly failed to move the needle on support (actually moving backwards in key areas) and his whole logic of his electability strategy (youth vote) was laughably and obviously flawed.

But yes, it's everyone else being led around like sheep.

Excuses excuses excuses.

Fine. Don't show up on Nov and help reelect Trump. Don't think it will be seen as anything but a temper tantrum.

Act like that, and the rest of the party will want no part of whatever Berners are selling.
He'll become Jill Stein 2.0.

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem is you get to predict that Bernie would win if Americans would only give him a chance and that prediction can never be falsified so you get to continue believing you are Nostradamus. Maybe you are right. Maybe millions of American robots conditioned to piss their pants at the mere mention of the word socialism will flock to vote for Socialism in November.

Yes, maybe I am right and maybe I would have a better chance of being right if millions of people who piss in their pants at the mention of socialism should say fuck it to themselves and go ahead and vote for him. I represent a point of view, my own point of view. I have no influence over those millions of sleeping automatons who have been programmed to fear socialism. I just happen to be one person who for whom such programming didn't stick and I speak to a few people her on this forum that they should get past it too. You are afraid of losing the election by running somebody who has been tared with a socialist label but it matters not that much to me because democracy in my opinion is already dead. I simply think i see farther into reality than you do, that it is you who are conservative from fear. You fear the country will die under Trump but I see it as already dead. There is only one solution to the pain of this world I can see and it is awakening via resignation. When all hope is lost an invisible door will open. Through that door are treasures beyond imagination compared to which the ego joy of being Nostradamus mean nothing.

 

[pmv]

especially curious given that the civil rights movement aligns better to Sanders’ revolutionary socialism over O’bidenbama’s member berries.

Don't understand this bit. Sanders doesn't embody 'revolutionary socialism' (while a 'revolution' isn't necessarily violent, those two words in combination generally are taken to imply a violent overthrow of capitalism). He's a reformist, a left social-democrat.

And furthermore, the civil rights movement was very specifically _not_ revolutionary socialism. The very name 'civil rights' emphasises that its a constitutional and liberal rights-based approach. Granted, revolutionaries will sometimes embrace such struggles with a view to exposing their limitations, but fighting for civil rights is not the same thing as a revolution.